cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 23:47:29 PST 2002
Log Message:
  updated menu string
  

Files:
changed:german.src


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Re: makiing boot-floppies in a clean chroot

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
John H. Robinson, IV wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 09:51:34PM:
> cthulhu:/# apt-cache show whiptail-utf8 | grep ^Prov
> Provides: whiptail-provider

Please, please, look first in the CVS logs regarding modconf. I will tag
a new release this weekend.

> so by my reckoning, either modconf needs to depend upon
> whiptail-provider (possibly in addition to whiptail), or whiptail-utf8
> needs to provide whiptail

It will depend on whiptail-provider | whiptail

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cvs commit to boot-floppies by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 23:10:03 PST 2002
Log Message:
  1.2meg floppy does not use other languages than english
  

Files:
changed:config


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Processed: Re: Bug#136384: boot-floppies: routing is not automagically set up, when net-installing with plip

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Bug#136384: boot-floppies: routing is not automagically set up, when net-installing with plip

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

severity 136384 important
thanks

#include 
Csillag Kristof wrote on Sat Mar 02, 2002 um 01:41:32AM:

> **
> * route add -host 192.168.10.5 dev plip0 *
> **
> 
> , and from that point, everyting worked nice again.

Wait, wait, wait, which kernel did you use? Please send the output of
the "ifconfig" call. Normally, if the point-o-point device is present,
you would be asked to enter the IP address of your peer. Did you not
see any such messages?

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Re: makiing boot-floppies in a clean chroot

2002-03-01 Thread John H. Robinson, IV

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 09:09:57AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> > 
> > sid + whiptail + libnewt-utf8-0 libnewt-utf8-dev libnewt-utf8-pic 
> > is not happy. since whiptail wants libnewt0, which conflicts with the
> > rest.
> 
> whiptail-utf8 is the one required to be installed, not whiptail.

i noticed whiptail-utf8 after posting, but some issues:

cthulhu:/# apt-cache show modconf | grep ^Dep
Depends: whiptail, modutils (>= 2.1.85-14)
cthulhu:/# apt-cache show whiptail-utf8 | grep ^Prov
Provides: whiptail-provider

so by my reckoning, either modconf needs to depend upon
whiptail-provider (possibly in addition to whiptail), or whiptail-utf8
needs to provide whiptail

i can submitt bugs, but i'd prefer to know that i am not total off base
here

i had previously --forced in whiptail, and things build. i'm now
thinking that it was a mistake, and am trying to undo that, but modconf
is really not letting me.

downgrading whiptail to 0.50.17-9.2, then installing whiptail-utf8
0.50.17-9.4 caused an error when the latter tried to overwrite
/usr/share/man/man1/whiptail.1.gz

HEY! when did modconf no longer become required? removing that solved
all those problems...

i'm strongly reconsidering make a brand new chroot.

-john


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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Colin Walters

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 19:11, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> en - Proceed installation in English
  ^ with

"Continue" might be slightly better than "Proceed", too.



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Re: `host name' vs. `hostname'

2002-03-01 Thread Matt Kraai

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:46:22PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 14:50, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > I am pleased to report that earlier today I was able to install
> > Debian Woody on my iBook2 using the new-powermac flavor without
> > any serious problems.  However, I did find some minor issues
> > that I'd like to fix.
> 
> Did you make a separate /boot partition?  I've gotten one report that
> the code which tries to prevent you from making a /boot with an
> incorrect filesystem type is itself incorrect.  It would be great if you
> could try beating on that part of the installer a bit; try making /boot
> ext3, HFS (shouldn't work), etc. 

I didn't make a separate /boot partition (though I did create
the required bootstrap one).  It does look like the test in
verify_powerpc_mount is broken, though.

Here is the simple, hopefully correct version:

if ((!is_newworld
 && !is_fstype("/boot", "ext2"))
|| (is_newworld
&& !is_fstype("/boot", "ext2")
&& !is_fstype("/boot", "ext3")
&& !is_fstype("/boot", "xfs")
&& !is_fstype("/boot", "reiserfs")))

> > Which term is preferred, `host name' or `hostname'.  The
> > boot-floppies use both on the same screen, and some consistency
> > would be nice.  FOLDOC lists it as one word[1,2], but the
> > hostname manual page uses two.  Any preference?
> 
> I think you'll have people telling you both are correct.  It's a lot
> like "filesystem" versus "file system".  The former is very popular in
> common usage, but you'll usually only see the latter in formal works.

I went with `hostname', per FOLDOC (which uses `file system').

Matt


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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Matt Kraai

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 09:11:34AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 07:52:33AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > > > -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> > > > +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
> > >  en - Select this item and press Enter to proceed in English.
> > 
> > How about just making it:
> > 
> > en - English
> > de - Deutsch
> > pl - Polski
> > ..etc
> 
> That's a bit terse, but making it :
> 
> en - Proceed installation in English
> 
> will be better. I am not quite sure what kind of people will
> install Debian, but we probably are assuming that they know they 
> need to hit enter to select an item.

This isn't grammatical.  It should either be

 en - Proceed with the installation in English.

or (my favorite)

 en - Proceed in English.

(what else would they be proceeding with?).

Matt


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Bug#123948: can someone test the patch?

2002-03-01 Thread David Kimdon

One things that came up in the BTS is that the debian-cd package
currently doesn't need to manipulate the *.bin images that
boot-floppies makes for it.  If I understand correctly what we are
discussing here the debian-cd package will need to 'mount -o loop'
during the build to add those files.  That will have to be done as
root.  At one point we were trying to avoid that.

FWIW,

-David

Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:08:21PM + wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 13:09, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > A good compromise. I suggest two kinds of flags on the CD-ROM:
> > 
> > .disk/kernel_installable
> > .disk/base_installable
> > 
> > The first marks the disk containing kernel and modules, the second the
> > one with the basedebs.
> 
> Sounds fine to me.
> 
> p.
> 
> 
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Re: b-f one-liner needs translating

2002-03-01 Thread David Kimdon

agreed, changed in english.src


Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 10:30:18PM +0100 wrote:
> #include 
> David Kimdon wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 08:23:27AM:
> > -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> > +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
> 
> Hm, this still sounds a bit missleading. I like more the other proposal:
> 
> Choose this and press Enter to proceed in English.
> 
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by dwhedon

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
who:dwhedon
time:   Fri Mar  1 18:31:36 PST 2002
Log Message:
  even less confusing LC text!
  
  

Files:
changed:english.src


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Re: `host name' vs. `hostname'

2002-03-01 Thread Paul E Condon

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:46:22PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 14:50, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > Howdy,
> > 
> > I am pleased to report that earlier today I was able to install
> > [...]
> 
> > Which term is preferred, `host name' or `hostname'.  The
> > boot-floppies use both on the same screen, and some consistency
> > would be nice.  FOLDOC lists it as one word[1,2], but the
> > hostname manual page uses two.  Any preference?
> 
> I think you'll have people telling you both are correct.  It's a lot
> like "filesystem" versus "file system".  The former is very popular in
> common usage, but you'll usually only see the latter in formal works.
>
I think that there is a real difference in meaning between "hostname" and
"host name". The former is a command that is recognized by most Unix systems
and is documented with a man page. The latter is the expression in standard
English that is used to refer to that which is returned by the command 
"hostname". Thus, there can be situations where the two expressions can be
used in the same paragraph, but ... 1) they are not interchangable because
they refer to different things. 2) the writer who mixes the two must be 
confident that his audience is aware of the distinction. These considerations
do not apply to filesystem vs. "file system" because there is no filesystem
command. In general, it is bad writing to use different lexemes for the same
thing or idea. Where different lexemes are used without an explicit statement
of their equivalence, it is legitimate for the reader to infer that different
things are being referred to. Where they are actually referring to the same
thing, there is avoidable confusion in the mind of the reader.

If the screen is referring to the string that is returned by hostname on a 
well configured POSIX system, then IMO, "host name" should be used. 
Consider the following prompts for information:

"Enter the string that you want to have returned by hostname:"
and 
"Enter the host name for this computer:"

I prefer the latter; the former is needlessly verbose.

"Enter your hostname:" 
is simply wrong.

But this is just the personal opinion of one native speaker of American
English. 


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by dancer

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:dancer
time:   Fri Mar  1 17:19:15 PST 2002
Log Message:
  tighten up build-dependency version check

Files:
changed:control changelog


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Sistema E-libro para bibliotecas

2002-03-01 Thread E-libro.net 2




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Bug#136384: boot-floppies: routing is not automagically set up, when net-installing with plip

2002-03-01 Thread Csillag Kristof

Subject: boot-floppies: routing is not automagically set up, when net-installing with 
plip
Package: boot-floppies
Version: 3.0.19
Severity: critical
Justification: makes it almost impossible to install via PLIP

Hi there!

I installed Debian Woody on a notebook computer.
I do not have a PCMCIA networking card, so I decided to use
PLIP. (Parallel Line IP).

I used the net-boot mini-CD images by 
Ian Eure  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
(Identical to b-f 3.0.19, see http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/ )

Everything went just fine, I installed the kernel and device driver modules to the 
hard disk,
and configured the necessary device modules. (namely parport, parport_pc and plip)

The I configured the plip0 networking device.
(address 192.168.10.15, netmask 255.255.255.0, P-t-P address 192.168.10.5)

The system reported that it was successfully configured.

But the connection was dead.
All ip packaged were lost.

After some research I realized that the routing was not configured properly.

I executed this:

**
* route add -host 192.168.10.5 dev plip0 *
**

, and from that point, everyting worked nice again.

One more thing:
I do not know whether this is connected to the error or not,
but when I checked the newly configured plip0 interface
with ifconfig plip0, it reported a wrong P-t-P address.

I do not know where the bug is hiding, but it should be easy to correct.

I'm afraid there might be some users who would be unable to
installing woody via PLIP until someone fixes this thing.

  Good wishes,
  and thank you

Kristof Csillag





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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by dancer

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:dancer
time:   Fri Mar  1 16:36:26 PST 2002
Log Message:
  update Japanese.src

Files:
changed:changelog


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by dancer

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
who:dancer
time:   Fri Mar  1 16:36:26 PST 2002
Log Message:
  update Japanese.src

Files:
changed:japanese.src


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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 07:52:33AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > > -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> > > +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
> >  en - Select this item and press Enter to proceed in English.
> 
> How about just making it:
> 
> en - English
> de - Deutsch
> pl - Polski
> ..etc

That's a bit terse, but making it :

en - Proceed installation in English

will be better. I am not quite sure what kind of people will
install Debian, but we probably are assuming that they know they 
need to hit enter to select an item.



regards,
junichi

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Re: makiing boot-floppies in a clean chroot

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

"John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> trying in the same clean sid chroot (updated as of yesterday sometime)
> with a fresh CVS checkout, everything seems to be going along fine.
> 
> now, how long is it going to be before b-f builds against woody? i'm
> assuming that this is some variant of a release-criteria. 

I've noticed that newt will take |20 days to install to testing, if 
it doesn't have any bugs, and goes through the usual route.
 
> when are we going to freeze the boot-floppie dependencies? i know that
> it's up to aj as to when the freeze proceedes, but isn't b-f somewhere
> in base? or do we get special casing?

It's already in "freeze" in one sense. We can only freeze everything
when we know that b-f is in a working shape.
 
> woody chroot was never happy with make check, until yesterday. but it
> is unhappy again today.

So if woody chroot gets happy now, it probably means there's a
bug in check scripts.

> looks like slang1-utf8-pic and libnewt-utf8-pic are the unhappy campers.
> (this is for i386)
> 
> sid + whiptail + libnewt-utf8-0 libnewt-utf8-dev libnewt-utf8-pic 
> is not happy. since whiptail wants libnewt0, which conflicts with the
> rest.

whiptail-utf8 is the one required to be installed, not whiptail.


regards,
junichi

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Re: b-f one-liner needs translating

2002-03-01 Thread Philip Blundell

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 20:32, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> In short, what I (and many others in the team) would like is to see if
> the selection of languages can be done basing more on the completeness
> of the install support and not some flawed stats in a webpage.

Yes, it's clear that the LinuxCounter stats are far from ideal for this
purpose.

You are welcome to include Catalan if you can find space on the disks. 
If this involves deleting support for some other language, you will need
to select a candidate for removal and present an argument explaining why
Catalan would be more useful than whatever victim you have chosen.

p.


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Help !!!

2002-03-01 Thread Misha Fil'

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2002-03-01 Thread Misha Fil'

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Re: Is termwrap working as expected?

2002-03-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Junichi Uekawa]
> Why is base-config so special that it needs to care that much
> about users setting invalid locales ?

Perl will complain every time it is executed if base-config passes on
an invalid LANG variable.  This is bad and will confuse the users.
And, even worse, the install can present unreadable text if the locale
is valid, but the charset is incompatible with the console or the
current terminal.  This is bad as well.

> Also, I am feeling more alarmed about trying to get this included 
> into woody. We are too late for this, IMHO.

Perhaps.  If it isn't included in Woody, I will have to make my own
versions of the packages for the Norwegian Skolelinux distribution.  I
do not want that.

I tested the patch today, and it worked for English install after some
tweaks (fixing typos).  I'll try to test it with one of the Norwegian
locales tomorrow to see if that works there as well.

(Discovered a bug in debootstrap in the process.  It refuses to load
base packages from the 'local' section.  Will have to get that one
fixed as well. :-/ )


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 13:38:56 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Removed obsolete extract list
  

Files:
removed:EXTRACT_LIST_i386_non-i18n-mixed-build


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Re: b-f one-liner needs translating

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
David Kimdon wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 08:23:27AM:
> -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.

Hm, this still sounds a bit missleading. I like more the other proposal:

Choose this and press Enter to proceed in English.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: `host name' vs. `hostname'

2002-03-01 Thread Colin Walters

On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 14:50, Matt Kraai wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I am pleased to report that earlier today I was able to install
> Debian Woody on my iBook2 using the new-powermac flavor without
> any serious problems.  However, I did find some minor issues
> that I'd like to fix.

Did you make a separate /boot partition?  I've gotten one report that
the code which tries to prevent you from making a /boot with an
incorrect filesystem type is itself incorrect.  It would be great if you
could try beating on that part of the installer a bit; try making /boot
ext3, HFS (shouldn't work), etc. 

I really wish UML worked on PowerPC; then it would be a lot easier to
test the partitioning code.

> Which term is preferred, `host name' or `hostname'.  The
> boot-floppies use both on the same screen, and some consistency
> would be nice.  FOLDOC lists it as one word[1,2], but the
> hostname manual page uses two.  Any preference?

I think you'll have people telling you both are correct.  It's a lot
like "filesystem" versus "file system".  The former is very popular in
common usage, but you'll usually only see the latter in formal works.


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Bug#136241: Processed: Re: Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure

2002-03-01 Thread Herbert Xu

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 12:12:44PM +, Phil Blundell wrote:
> I don't expect there will be any more boot-floppies releases for
> potato.  The submitter probably just needs to install the updated
> kernel-image package.  Do you happen to know which version includes the
> fix?

2.2.19-4potato.3 and above should be fine.
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Re: b-f one-liner needs translating

2002-03-01 Thread Jordi Mallach

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 08:23:27AM -0800, David Kimdon wrote:
> While we're at it we may want to take a look at the boot-floppies po
> files.  Some translations are complete and up to date while others
> could use some updates.

While we enter this l10n chapter, I'd like to discuss about the default
language list for 1.44 floppies. Some of you have heard my reasoning on
IRC the other day, but the correct place to discuss it was here.

In short, so many people are asking me to at least try to get Catalan in
the default list... We know that the current way of choosing these
languages is flawed: it relies on LinuxCounter stats, which are ordered
by countries. Some languages in boot-floppies don't have just a country.
Others have more than one. For example, when counting French users, do
you count France + Canada? Or do you count all the Spanish-speaking
users in South America when counting Spanish?
In our case, Catalan, it's much worse, as basing on LinuxCounter, there
aren't Catalan-speaking GNU/Linux users in the world. Not true :)
There are many, and at least two commercial distributions have Catalan
support (Mandrake & SuSE, iirc), and thus, are the most extended
distributions in the Catalan-speaking regions.

There are over 10 million Catalan speakers in the world, distributed in
France, Spain and Andorra (and Italy, but that's like a few thousands),
so I guess it's a number of potential users that should be considered.

More importantly, the Catalan support in Woody is near 100% complete.
There's an active debian-l10n-catalan team working on other areas
besides bf's (webpages, templates, debian-specific apps) too, which has
provided Catalan support for debconf, dpkg, etc.

In short, what I (and many others in the team) would like is to see if
the selection of languages can be done basing more on the completeness
of the install support and not some flawed stats in a webpage.

Comments welcome,
Jordi
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 12:20:38 PST 2002
Log Message:
  * utilities/dbootstrap/net-fetch.c (nf_fetchfile): Free
full_remote_filename.
  

Files:
changed:net-fetch.c


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Re: cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Matt Kraai

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:59:17AM -0800, Debian Boot CVS Master wrote:
> Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
> who:kraai
> time:   Fri Mar  1 09:59:17 PST 2002
> Log Message:
>   
>   
>   
> 
> Files:
> changed:dbootstrap.h net-fetch.c util.c

Sorry about this, I attempted to abort a commit.  Here is what I
subsequently changed the log message to.

* utilities/dbootstrap/dbootstrap.h (concat_paths): Prototype.
* utilities/dbootstrap/net-fetch.c (nf_fetchfile): Use concat_paths.
* utilities/dbootstrap/util.c (concat_paths): New.

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by jordi

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
who:jordi
time:   Fri Mar  1 12:16:03 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Who controls the future controls the past. Err, updated the Catalan string.
  

Files:
changed:catalan.src


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Bug#136241: [Fwd: Re: Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure]

2002-03-01 Thread Philip Blundell

Anybody on the list know the answer?

p.


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 09:59:17 PST 2002
Log Message:
  
  
  

Files:
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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Marcin Owsiany

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 07:52:33AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> > +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
>  en - Select this item and press Enter to proceed in English.

How about just making it:

en - English
de - Deutsch
pl - Polski
..etc

Wouldn't it be obvious enough?

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Bug#131118: marked as done ([i386/udma100-ext3] fails to install from IDE floppy)

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

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The problem is missing IDE-floppy support in installation kernel (tested 
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Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:27:05PM +0100 wrote:
> David Kimdon wrote:
> 
> >Hi Wojciech,
> >
> >Have you had a chance to test current bf2.4 flavour images to see if
> >this bug is fixed?  You can find current images here:
> >
> >ftp.debian.org:/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-i386/current/
> >
> >the bf2.4 flavour should have the necessary drivers.
> >
> Yes. I've tested it and everything is OK, but...

okay, this bug is done then.


> 
> In bf2.4 flavour you've removed installation of base system from network :-(
> WHY?!!!
> I've loved it first time i've seen it

That sounds like another bug, can you elaborate?  We're you forced to
use a cdrom for the base install?  We are currently working on fixing
the cdrom behavior.  If you can report some more bad cdrom behavior
now that would be great.

Thanks,

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Re: Having CD in drive should not disable network install

2002-03-01 Thread David Kimdon

Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:38:59PM +0100 wrote:
> #include 
> Richard Hirst wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 01:26:38PM:
> 
> > That patch wouldn't necessarily have helped me; I want the option of
> > doing a network install, even if I happen to have forgotten that there
> > was an official CD in the drive.  Neither did it address the "please
> > pick an item from this list of one items" sillyness.  Also adding a new
> > file such as .installable to the image wouldn't have helped me if it's
> > presence completely disables the net install option.  I like the idea of
> > a new "shall I install from the CD" question though - that would have
> > have alerted me to the fact that I had a CD in the drive as well.
> 
> Okay, do we have a consens? If nobody started to implement this function,
> I will begin tomorrow.

That sounds like a good approach to me.

-David


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 08:42:13 PST 2002
Log Message:
  * utilities/dbootstrap/netconfig.c (write_hostname): Remove unused variable.
  

Files:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/en by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/en
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 08:33:59 PST 2002
Log Message:
  * utilities/dbootstrap/netconfig.c (get_host, get_dnsconfig): Change
`host name' to `hostname'.
  * documentation/en/post-install.sgml: Likewise.
  * documentation/en/preparing.sgml: Likewise.
  

Files:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 08:33:59 PST 2002
Log Message:
  * utilities/dbootstrap/netconfig.c (get_host, get_dnsconfig): Change
`host name' to `hostname'.
  * documentation/en/post-install.sgml: Likewise.
  * documentation/en/preparing.sgml: Likewise.
  

Files:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation by kraai

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/documentation
who:kraai
time:   Fri Mar  1 08:28:54 PST 2002
Log Message:
  * documentation/release-notes.sgml: Improve dpkg --get-selections command.
  

Files:
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b-f one-liner needs translating

2002-03-01 Thread David Kimdon

Package: boot-floppies
Severity: normal


Hi,

I committed a one-line change to the boot-floppies language chooser:

-en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
+en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.

The old phrase made sense in the past, it doesn't anymore.  Many
non-english files need a corresponding change:

$ ls boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs/*.src
catalan.srcdanish.srchungarian.src  polish.src turkish.src
chinese_s.src  english.src   italian.srcportuguese.src
chinese_t.src  french.srcjapanese.src   russian.src
croatian.src   galician.src  korean.src spanish.src
czech.src  german.srcnorwegian.src  swedish.src
bash-2.05a$

You can check it out from cvs the normal way, or even take a look at
your langauage via the web interface:

http://cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs/

While we're at it we may want to take a look at the boot-floppies po
files.  Some translations are complete and up to date while others
could use some updates.

Thanks,

David


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Bug#123948: can someone test the patch?

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 13:09, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> A good compromise. I suggest two kinds of flags on the CD-ROM:
> 
> .disk/kernel_installable
> .disk/base_installable
> 
> The first marks the disk containing kernel and modules, the second the
> one with the basedebs.

Sounds fine to me.

p.



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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by dwhedon

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
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time:   Fri Mar  1 08:09:08 PST 2002
Log Message:
  make LC screen less confusing

Files:
changed:english.src


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by dwhedon

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:dwhedon
time:   Fri Mar  1 08:09:08 PST 2002
Log Message:
  make LC screen less confusing

Files:
changed:changelog


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Re: Is termwrap working as expected?

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> [Philip Blundell]
> > Or perhaps it should be in a separate program that is invoked before
> > termwrap during the initial boot.  (I.e. put it in
> > boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk somewhere and add it to
> > inittab.install.)
> 
> The problem is that base-config must know if LANG uses a valid locale,
> and if the current terminal can use it.  If any of this is false, it
> must unset LANG (and LANGUAGE) to avoid printing garbage during
> install.  

Why is base-config so special that it needs to care that much
about users setting invalid locales ?


Also, I am feeling more alarmed about trying to get this included 
into woody. We are too late for this, IMHO.

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Re: boot-floppies 3.0.20

2002-03-01 Thread James Vahn

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Eduard Bloch wrote:

> James Vahn wrote on Thu Feb 28, 2002 um 05:47:14PM:
> > It does no version testing?  Whoops! I am trying to avoid making the
> > large download on every clean build. 
> 
> You can remove the
> archive/debian/download/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_sid_*
> files only, so the embedded apt will fetch a new list and consequentaly
> new packages.

It doesn't give me the opportunity - the file is removed along with the
downloads and updates on every debian/rules clean. Debian/rules binary
also calls clean.

The good news is that last night's build went smoothly, although once
again all the downloaded files were deleted. Really wish it wouldn't do
that.  ;-)





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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Matt Kraai

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:19:54PM -0800, David Kimdon wrote:
> Maybe this will clear it up:
> 
> Index: english.src
> ===
> RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs/english.src,v
> retrieving revision 1.8
> diff -u -r1.8 english.src
> --- english.src   2002/02/28 15:49:25 1.8
> +++ english.src   2002/03/01 07:20:28
> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
>  acm="iso01">
>  English
> -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
>  
>  Choose Language Variant
> 
> Admittedly the old way it says 'you have chosen English' even if you
> haven't.
> 
> Seconds?

Your version is better, but still sounds odd.  It seems to
instruct the user to press the word Enter on the screen.  How
about the following instead?

 en - Select this item and press Enter to proceed in English.

Matt



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> -Original Message-
> From: Junichi Uekawa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:50 AM
> To:   Eduard Bloch
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> Subject:  Re: boot-floppies 3.0.20
> 
> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> 
> > > Booting the resulting set of 3 floppies, then picking "net" to
> > > configure modules, nothing appears and it just returns to the
> > > "Exit. Finished with modules" screen.
> > 
> > "make clean", now! It seems that you have the old broken modconf release
> > in the download directory.
> 
> 
> I've got an impression that make clean doesn't seem to clean up the 
> downloaded deb files ?
> 
> Maybe my copy of cvs checkout is too much hacked.
> 
> 
> regards,
>   junichi
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Re: Having CD in drive should not disable network install

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
Richard Hirst wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 01:26:38PM:

> That patch wouldn't necessarily have helped me; I want the option of
> doing a network install, even if I happen to have forgotten that there
> was an official CD in the drive.  Neither did it address the "please
> pick an item from this list of one items" sillyness.  Also adding a new
> file such as .installable to the image wouldn't have helped me if it's
> presence completely disables the net install option.  I like the idea of
> a new "shall I install from the CD" question though - that would have
> have alerted me to the fact that I had a CD in the drive as well.

Okay, do we have a consens? If nobody started to implement this function,
I will begin tomorrow.

Gruss/Regards,
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by ender

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
who:ender
time:   Fri Mar  1 06:22:44 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Fixed fuzzy translations, and added almost all the new ones.
  

Files:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by merker

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:merker
time:   Fri Mar  1 06:08:46 PST 2002
Log Message:
  
  Added Build-Depends entry for mips-tools on mips and mipsel.
  

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Processed: Fixed in Woody

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

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Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure
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cvs commit to boot-floppies by rhirst

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Repository: boot-floppies
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time:   Fri Mar  1 05:50:33 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Remove 'cdrom' boot arg from rescue.bin
  

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by rhirst

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
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time:   Fri Mar  1 05:50:33 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Remove 'cdrom' boot arg from rescue.bin
  

Files:
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Bug#136312: boot-floppies: Support list of languages to use like glibc LANGUAGE varialbe

2002-03-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen


Package: boot-floppies
Version: N/A - current CVS
Severity: wishlist

I'm working on fixes for base-config, and in the process I thought it
is smart to change dbootstrap to be able to us the lang->msgcat
content the same way as the LANGUAGE environment is handled by libc,
ie as a colon separated list of langauges to try.  It is very relevant
for Norwegian, where Bokmål and Nynorsk is very similar, and very
similar to Danish and Swedish, and it would be better to use any of
these instead of English.

The following patch changes how the msgcat string is used.  It is
relative to the current anonymous CVS version.

 - Avoid code duplication in main.c, and standardize how the messages
   catalog file is loaded.  Allow the language code string to be a colon
   separated list.
 - Modify boxChooseLanguageVariant() accept a list of language codes
 - Change release_notes.c to use the same code path with and without
   the language chooser.  Make it accept a list of language codes.
 - In util.c, allow a language list when choosing download host.
 - in norwegian.src, demonstrate how this new list should be used for
   Norwegian bokmål and nynorsk.

Index: main.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/main.c,v
retrieving revision 1.142
diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.142 main.c
--- main.c  2002/02/27 19:42:50 1.142
+++ main.c  2002/03/01 13:25:59
@@ -710,6 +710,65 @@ static void check_proc (void) {
exit(1);
 }
 }
+/*
+ * Try to load all the languages specified by the colon separated
+ * priority list of langauge codes.  Fall back to messages.en,
+ * messages.trm and the TRMBACKUP catalog if none of the languages in
+ * the list works.
+ *
+ * Return true (1) if successfull and false (0) if unable to load any
+ * of the languages.
+ */
+int load_msgcat(char *list) {
+  char *msgcat = (char *)malloc (PATH_MAX);
+  char *languagelist = strdup(list);
+  char *language = NULL;
+  for ( language = strtok(languagelist, ":");
+   language && *language;
+   language = strtok(NULL, ":") )
+  {
+snprintf (msgcat, PATH_MAX, "/etc/messages.%s", language);
+msgcat[PATH_MAX - 1] = '\0';
+DEBUGMSG ("i18n mode, trying to load message catalog %s", msgcat);
+if ( LOAD_TRMFILE (msgcat) == 0) /* Succeded ? */
+{
+  free(languagelist);
+  free (msgcat);
+  return 0;
+}
+  }
+  free(languagelist);
+  languagelist = NULL;
+
+  free (msgcat);
+  msgcat = NULL;
+
+  /* Try to load english, and the backup catalogs as well*/
+  if ( LOAD_TRMFILE("/etc/messages.en") != 0 ||
+   LOAD_TRMFILE("/etc/messages.trm") != 0 ||
+   LOAD_TRMFILE(TRMBACKUP) != 0 )
+  {
+char message[255];
+
+snprintf (message, sizeof (message),
+ "An error occured while loading localized application messages from 
+'%s'. English messages will be used instead.",
+ lang->msgcat);
+message[254] = '\0'; /* Just in case */
+ 
+problemBoxEn (message, "Problem");
+return 0;
+  }
+  return 1;
+}
+
+void reboot_missing_messages(void) {
+  problemBoxEn ("An error occurred while loading application messages",
+   "Problem");
+  reboot(RB_AUTOBOOT);
+  /* when not root and debugging */
+  boxFinished();
+  exit(1); 
+}
 
 int main (void) {
 char *term;
@@ -795,31 +854,11 @@ int main (void) {
  do {
lang = boxChooseLanguageVariant (langs);
  } while (lang == NULL);
- snprintf (msgcat, PATH_MAX, "/etc/messages.%s", lang->msgcat);
- msgcat[PATH_MAX - 1] = '\0';
- DEBUGMSG ("loading message catalog %s", msgcat);
- 
- if (LOAD_TRMFILE (msgcat) == 0) /* Failed to load localized strings? 
*/
- {
-   if (LOAD_TRMFILE (TRMBACKUP) == 0)  /* Failed to load English strings as 
well? */
-{
- problemBoxEn ("An error occured while loading application messages.", 
"Problem");
- 
- reboot (RB_AUTOBOOT);
- 
- /* when not root and debugging */
- boxFinished();
- exit(1); 
-   }
-   else
-   {
- char message[255];
 
- snprintf (message, sizeof (message), "An error occured while loading 
localized application messages from '%s'. English messages will be used instead.", 
msgcat);
- message[254] = '\0'; /* Just in case */
- 
- problemBoxEn (message, "Problem");
-   }
+ /* Get colon separated priority list of language codes
+(message catalogs) to use. */
+ if ( load_msgcat(lang->msgcat) == 0 ) {/* Failed to load localized 
+strings? */
+   reboot_missing_messages();
  }
} else {
  /* Try to force the language to English */
@@ -831,21 +870,10 @@ int main (void) {
  }
  lang = langs->list->items[0].p;
 
- snprintf (msgcat

Re: Is termwrap working as expected?

2002-03-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Philip Blundell]
> Or perhaps it should be in a separate program that is invoked before
> termwrap during the initial boot.  (I.e. put it in
> boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk somewhere and add it to
> inittab.install.)

The problem is that base-config must know if LANG uses a valid locale,
and if the current terminal can use it.  If any of this is false, it
must unset LANG (and LANGUAGE) to avoid printing garbage during
install.  So base-config needs to

 - Try to generate the locale listed in LANG, unset it if it is not
   valid. (before running 'locale charset')

 - Check if the LANG locale uses a supported charset, and choose the
   proper terminal based on this information. (in termwrap)

 - Check if the locale in LANG is valid, and if the current terminal
   can handle the charset, and unset LANG if it isn't (base-config)

Of course, these parts use almost the same algorithm, but it must be
done in sequence.


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A debian XML medical project

2002-03-01 Thread Renato BARRIOS
Title: A debian XML medical project



Dear Sirs,
Please see our medical and health informatical project with freesoftware
and an XML oriented conception. The aim of this idea is to offer high
quality and economically available software to contribute to health networks
development, specially in unfavorized regions.
The website is at 
http://ovnibus.free.fr
We have adapted some pages of your site
http://ovnibus.free.FR/PRO/PRO00.html
http://ovnibus.free.fr/PRO/XML00.html
because it is just we need to work. Please tell me if I can use it or if I have to modify it.
The aim of this project is to be really freesofware.
Please tell un if we can use this information or if there are things  we have to modify.
Thank you,
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Re: Having CD in drive should not disable network install

2002-03-01 Thread Richard Hirst

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 12:14:14PM +, Phil Blundell wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 11:35, Richard Hirst wrote:
> > I can file bugs if people think these things are worth fixing.
> 
> No need. :-)  We already have two serious bugs open for this.  Everybody
> agrees that the current behaviour is wrong, it's just a case of fixing
> it.  See, for example, David's note yesterday about testing his patch
> for the problem.

I assume we are talking about the patch that looks for "Official" in
.disk/info here, rather than just looking for the file itself...

That patch wouldn't necessarily have helped me; I want the option of
doing a network install, even if I happen to have forgotten that there
was an official CD in the drive.  Neither did it address the "please
pick an item from this list of one items" sillyness.  Also adding a new
file such as .installable to the image wouldn't have helped me if it's
presence completely disables the net install option.  I like the idea of
a new "shall I install from the CD" question though - that would have
have alerted me to the fact that I had a CD in the drive as well.

Cheers,
  Richard


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Bug#123948: can someone test the patch?

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
Phil Blundell wrote on Fri Mar 01, 2002 um 12:23:12PM:

> How about a compromise.  If an attractive-looking CD is detected in the
> drive, pop up a single dialogue box at the beginning along the lines of
> "I see you have a Debian CD-ROM.  Do you want to use this as the source
> medium for all the installation files?".  If the user answers yes,

A good compromise. I suggest two kinds of flags on the CD-ROM:

.disk/kernel_installable
.disk/base_installable

The first marks the disk containing kernel and modules, the second the
one with the basedebs.

> behave as if they had booted with the "cdrom" argument and suppress all
> the media-selection menus; if they answer no, prompt as usual.

I looked trough the source, and I would like to rewrite most of the
cruft, beginning with is_cdrom_image().

Gruss/Regards,
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Bug#123948: can someone test the patch?

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 11:56, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Maybe I got the wrong impression, but why do we do all this detection
> and _force_ the user to use that Cd? 

The idea was to reduce the number of questions that the user gets
asked.  Debian's installer has long been notorious for forcing you to
navigate through countless dialogue boxes, usually just accepting the
defaults at every stage.  This is tedious and potentially confusing for
users.

How about a compromise.  If an attractive-looking CD is detected in the
drive, pop up a single dialogue box at the beginning along the lines of
"I see you have a Debian CD-ROM.  Do you want to use this as the source
medium for all the installation files?".  If the user answers yes,
behave as if they had booted with the "cdrom" argument and suppress all
the media-selection menus; if they answer no, prompt as usual.

Also, I am now coming round to the point of view that maybe this
decision should be decoupled from the issue of whether the CD is
"official" or not.  Debian-cd folk, how about adding a new file called
".disk/installable" or some such, whose presence signals that
boot-floppies should treat the CD as an install disk.  That way people
who are creating their own customised disks can make the decision for
themselves rather than having to modify dbootstrap, second-guess its
heuristics, or ask their users to supply boot arguments.

p.



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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 04:30:27 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Err, forgoten to apply the fixes from Petter.
  

Files:
changed:boxes.c net-fetch.c release_notes.c util.c


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cvs commit to boot-floppies by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 04:27:37 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Ergh, lib detection used the wrong dbootstrap binary with i18n. Apparently Jackue's 
problem.
  

Files:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 04:27:37 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Ergh, lib detection used the wrong dbootstrap binary with i18n. Apparently Jackue's 
problem.
  

Files:
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Bug#136241: Processed: Re: Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

I don't expect there will be any more boot-floppies releases for
potato.  The submitter probably just needs to install the updated
kernel-image package.  Do you happen to know which version includes the
fix?

p.

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 10:22, Herbert Xu wrote:
> reassign 136241 boot-floppies
> quit
> 
> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:18:05AM -0600, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> > Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > 
> > > reassign 136241 kernel-image-2.2.19
> > Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure
> > Bug reassigned from package `boot-floppies' to `kernel-image-2.2.19'.
> 
> This bug has been fixed ages ago.  Please upgrade the kernel on the
> boot floppies.




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Re: Having CD in drive should not disable network install

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 11:35, Richard Hirst wrote:
> I can file bugs if people think these things are worth fixing.

No need. :-)  We already have two serious bugs open for this.  Everybody
agrees that the current behaviour is wrong, it's just a case of fixing
it.  See, for example, David's note yesterday about testing his patch
for the problem.

p.


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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Mikhail Sobolev

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 07:20:30PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:19:54 -0800
> David Kimdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  English
> > -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> > +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
> >  
> >  Choose Language Variant
> > 
> > Admittedly the old way it says 'you have chosen English' even if you
> > haven't.
> > 
> > Seconds?
> 
> Yes, that sounds like a better way.
> 
> Saying "you have selected..." before being selected sounds wrong.
Originally, this message was shown at the bottom (in status line), so "choosing"
over here means "you choose appropriate item in the menu".

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Bug#136241: Fixed in Woody

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

tags 136241 + potato
quit

We are using fixed kernel in Woody BF's. I doubt that is it worth to
rebuild Potato's BFs just to fix this bug.

Gruss/Regards,
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Bug#123948: can someone test the patch?

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
David Kimdon wrote on Thu Feb 28, 2002 um 11:02:13AM:

> I no longer can make CDs here to test these fun cdrom problems.  If
> there is anyone out there who can test the patch I posted earlier in
> the report that would be helpful. 

Maybe I got the wrong impression, but why do we do all this detection
and _force_ the user to use that Cd? Why not present the usuall source
selection menu, but only mark the drive that appears to be the official
CD-Rom? We could read the iso9660 volume names and present them:

/dev/hdc (Woody20020109_Vol_1)
/dev/hdd (Netinst-Boot)

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Having CD in drive should not disable network install

2002-03-01 Thread Richard Hirst

IMHO anyway; feel free to disagree.  Currently if there is a CD in the
drive then the question about where you want to install from is skipped.
This caused me much confusion when I net-booted an hppa box and tried to
install kernel/drivers from the net, while I had an old CD in the drive.

I think the 'where do you want to install from' question should still
appear, default being CDROM.  If the user chooses CDROM and there is a
Debian CDROM in the drive, then we can still skip the question about
specifying a /instmnt path (which is what really causes the confusion).

Also some archs only have one relevant images-* dir on the CD, but we
still present a list of one items and ask the user to choose which one
they want.

I can file bugs if people think these things are worth fixing.

Richard


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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Eduard Bloch

#include 
David Kimdon wrote on Thu Feb 28, 2002 um 11:19:54PM:
>  English
> -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
>  

Sounds much better.

Gruss/Regards,
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by blade

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:blade
time:   Fri Mar  1 03:36:04 PST 2002
Log Message:
   - update build-deps to match the fixed slang and newt packages
   - removed the binary package with source. Consens was, that it is absolete in
 times of apt-get source/build-dep.
  

Files:
changed:rules control


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Re: some special casings which should no longer be necessary

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

On 01 Mar 2002 10:18:48 +
Phil Blundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think you mentioned that libnewt and libnewt-utf8 still have the same
> soname, so the potential for the bug is still there.  Whether the
> packaging will still let you install the right combination of libnewt,
> libnewt-dev and libnewt-pic packages to make it actually happen, I'm not
> so sure. 

It should no longer be possible to install libnewt-pic and libnewt-utf8-pic
in the wrong combination.

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Re: some special casings which should no longer be necessary

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 01:03, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> I am seeing in rootdisk.sh:
> 
> # i386 can't reduce libnewt if we're in LANG_CHOOSER mode
> if [ "$arch" != "i386" -o "$USE_LANG_CHOOSER" != "true" ]; then
> rm -f $R/usr/lib/libnewt*
> fi
> 
> Could this have been fixed with the recent transition?

I don't think so.  The bug occurred when people were trying to reduce
the UTF8 libnewt when they also had plain libnewt-pic installed. 
Because libnewt0 and libnewt-utf8-0 shared a soname, mklibs.sh was
making the reduced library from the objects in /usr/lib/libnewt_pic.a,
which was causing flashing screens.

I think you mentioned that libnewt and libnewt-utf8 still have the same
soname, so the potential for the bug is still there.  Whether the
packaging will still let you install the right combination of libnewt,
libnewt-dev and libnewt-pic packages to make it actually happen, I'm not
so sure. 

As far as I know there is nothing actually i386 specific about this,
either.  It can happen on all architectures just as easily.  Perhaps
that bit of the check should be removed.

p.


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Re: makiing boot-floppies in a clean chroot

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:06:25 +0100
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > EXTRACT_LIST_i386_non-i18n-mixed-build:slang1-utf8
> 
> This file is gone.
> 
> > how to fix, and am i the only one that is seeing these problems?
> > and if so, _why_ am i the only one?
> 
> I dunno. Try with a fresh CVS snapshot please.

I don't know how he got it, but he seemed to be 
building with a "woody" chroot, which doesn't have the 
necessary versions.

Newt, slang and other things aren't in woody yet.

I thought dpkg-checkbuilddeps should be able to detect the problems...

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Bug#136241: binfmt_aout Install Failure

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

reassign 136241 kernel-image-2.2.19
thanks

On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 22:08, Keith Parkansky wrote:
> After this basic installation finishes,
> every time I boot the system the following
> error appears:
> 
>  Calculating module dependencies...
>  depmod: ***Unresolved symbols exist in /lib/modules/2.2.19/fs/binfmt_aout.o
> 
> 
> Again, this is installing off the CD so it's
> not like I can update any files on it.  But
> I find it hard to believe they'd releae a
> CD image with a major but like this in it.
> What am I doing wrong ?

You are not doing anything wrong.  It sounds like this is a bug in the
kernel package you are using.

p.



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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:19:54 -0800
David Kimdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  English
> -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
>  
>  Choose Language Variant
> 
> Admittedly the old way it says 'you have chosen English' even if you
> haven't.
> 
> Seconds?

Yes, that sounds like a better way.

Saying "you have selected..." before being selected sounds wrong.

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Re: language chooser clarity report

2002-03-01 Thread Phil Blundell

Agreed, your patch looks good to me.  Reading the original poster's
message again, though, I think he might actually be complaining about
the debconf screen you get when configuring the "locales" package,
rather than the LC itself.

p.

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 07:19, David Kimdon wrote:
> Maybe this will clear it up:
> 
> Index: english.src
> ===
> RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs/english.src,v
> retrieving revision 1.8
> diff -u -r1.8 english.src
> --- english.src   2002/02/28 15:49:25 1.8
> +++ english.src   2002/03/01 07:20:28
> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
>  acm="iso01">
>  English
> -en - You have chosen English.  Press Enter to proceed
> +en - Press Enter here to proceed in English.
>  
>  Choose Language Variant
> 
> Admittedly the old way it says 'you have chosen English' even if you
> haven't.
> 
> Seconds?
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 12:48:45AM -0500 wrote:
> > I suppose he is talking about the language chooser. The guy has entered
> > heavy "I'll bitch hard w/o giving any more meaningful information" mode
> > though, so don't bother emailing him. :-) Anyway, if it is lacking some
> > text along the lines of "If you think English is the only language, just
> > hit enter, dummy", perhaps such a thing should be added.
> > 
> > - Forwarded message from Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> > 
> > 2) There are several screens that are confusing.  In particular the
> >Locales screen gave me pause.  This is an area where even an
> >experienced linux user is not likely to be that comfortable, yet
> >there is no indication that it really doesn't need to be messed
> >with if you don't need foreign (ie not english) language support.
> > 
> > - End forwarded message -
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by jtarrio

2002-03-01 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
who:jtarrio
time:   Fri Mar  1 00:50:40 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Keyboard names translated into Galician
  

Files:
changed:gl.po


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Re: Is termwrap working as expected?

2002-03-01 Thread Philip Blundell

On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 23:49, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Philip Blundell]
> > You are correct that termwrap should be inspecting the character set
> > that goes with the current locale, not the language code itself. 
> > Something like this, I guess.
> 
> Yes, and no.  If we want to use 'locale charset', the locale must be
> valid at that point.  To make that happen, my suggested patch to make
> sure the locale is valid must be moved into termwrap, before choosing
> which terminal to use.
> 
> Is this a good idea?  I think so, and will make and test a new patch.

I guess so, yeah.  Or perhaps it should be in a separate program that is
invoked before termwrap during the initial boot.  (I.e. put it in
boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk somewhere and add it to inittab.install.)

p.


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