Re: Chaos and Damnation!

2003-04-05 Thread Martin Sjögren
lör 2003-04-05 klockan 07.15 skrev Anthony Towns:
 On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 07:24:53PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
  Well, the netinst _CDs_ don't use the net floppy image, 
 
 Don't the netinst CDs just use the CD images? As far as d-i's concerned,
 they're as good as the full regular sized CD set, no?

Exactly, but they need some extra mechanisms to be user-friendly. For
example, on a netinst CD anna should definitely install netcfg,
ethdetect, net-retriever and choose-mirror automatically. That should
not happen on a regular CD (should still be possible to install them of
course, but not happening automatically)

  but a lot of our testers do use the floppy. 
 
 Sure. Again there seem to be three ways of doing things:
 
   * Boot and install from a CD, or other large media
   * Boot via PXElinux (ie, netboot), and install via http/NFS/etc
   * Boot from floppies, then use CD/net/whatever
 
 The first two can have 1.44MB images, if necessary, the latter's likely
 to be fairly unusual, so doesn't have to be completely internationalised
 if necessary.

Indeed. Removing the utf-8 locale from the net 1.44 floppy image will
put it below the limit again. However, that means splitting the net
image into something that's a floppy image and something that will just
produce an initrd for purpose of pxelinux. We'll have to refine our
build process a bit, but it should be doable.


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unix domain socket usage in d-i

2003-04-05 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Hi,

What in d-i uses Unix domain sockets? 
The socket modules udeb is in the cdrom144 pkglist purely for these,
AFAIK, and the udeb takes up 53K. There is -15K free space on the floppy
...

Alternatively we could remove languagechooser, at 17K; we need to keep
other drivers there if possible, automatically start up the CDROM, and
then call languagechooser.

- Alastair

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Re: cvs commit to debian-installer/doc by mckinstry

2003-04-05 Thread Martin Sjögren
lör 2003-04-05 klockan 12.33 skrev Debian Boot CVS Master:
 Repository: debian-installer/doc
 who:mckinstry
 time:   Sat Apr  5 03:33:53 MST 2003
 Log Message:
   Add [if fits in 1.44 MiB] comment to cdrom144 scenario.
   
   As of now, cdrom144 with languagechooser but no kbd-chooser doesn't.

Well, no work has been done on cdrom144 at all, really. My idea is that
cdrom144 will use (at least) one extra floppy with CD drivers, and thus
use floppy-retriever... I don't know if this is feasible. Another idea
is to put the initrd on a separate floppy for cdrom144, so it can be
larger.


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2003-04-05 Thread pawel








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debian-installer - fstab generation

2003-04-05 Thread Bastian Blank
hi folks

i just add some config options to build installations with devfs
enabled. This implies that fstab generation needs to be delayed to
prebaseconfig, because the option is set by the linux-installer (just
renamed from kernel-installer)

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Re: debian-installer - fstab generation

2003-04-05 Thread Martin Sjögren
lör 2003-04-05 klockan 17.03 skrev Bastian Blank:
 hi folks
 
 i just add some config options to build installations with devfs
 enabled. This implies that fstab generation needs to be delayed to
 prebaseconfig, because the option is set by the linux-installer (just
 renamed from kernel-installer)

You mean, delayed to after linux-installer, right? I think it may need
to run before grub-installer though I'm not sure. Anyway, that should be
fine since the boot loaders run after linux-installer[0].

/Martin

[0] Damn you, now we can't refer to lilo-installer as l-i anymore :)
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Re: debian-installer - fstab generation

2003-04-05 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 05:24:37PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
 You mean, delayed to after linux-installer, right? I think it may need
 to run before grub-installer though I'm not sure. Anyway, that should be
 fine since the boot loaders run after linux-installer[0].

i don't think, grub-installed needs them, it access the discs via
non-standard definitions.

bastian

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Re: unix domain socket usage in d-i

2003-04-05 Thread Matt Kraai
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 11:47:16AM +0100, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
 What in d-i uses Unix domain sockets? 
 The socket modules udeb is in the cdrom144 pkglist purely for these,
 AFAIK, and the udeb takes up 53K. There is -15K free space on the floppy
 ...

syslog

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Re: Making netinst CDs Not Suck

2003-04-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:24:15PM +0200, Martin Sjögren écrivait:
 The cvs version of anna now supports calling the retriever with a
 'config' argument, and tries to load a list of udebs to automatically
 install from /var/cache/anna/autoinst. Now we need:

How does that interact together ? calling the retriever with the config
argument is expected to do what ? fill in /var/cache/anna/autoinst ?

 - decide a /cdrom/.disk/ file. anna_autoinst?

And what would contain this file ? a list of udebs ? a name of an
install scenario ?

 - add stuff to debian-cd for creating reasonable files for the netinst
 CDs.

That's easy if you tell me what to put in the files ;-)

 - file bugs on ftp.d.o to have the priority of the udebs changed to
 optional so they aren't pulled in all the time.
 
 Sounds reasonable? What did I forget?

Looks like ok for me.

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Re: Adding uniq/'sort -u' and sleep to busybox-udeb?

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Thorsten Sauter]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/installer/tools/cdrom-detect$ find . -type f -print | \
 xargs grep -E '(uniq|sort)'
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/installer/tools/cdrom-detect$
 
 that why no one of these applets are included in the list.

OK.  I had code using 'sort -u' to fix bug #166353, but I removed it
as 'sort -u' failed.


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Re: cdebconf always falling back to English?

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Denis Barbier]
 In debian-installer, yes.  As a debconf replacement, no.

Why not?  The default fallback language (ie untranslated) is already
English, and should be English.

 Hmmm no, 'en' should be added after other languages.  Why don't you
 append 'en' to LANGUAGE in languagechooser?

Because I want cdebconf to display the text from en.po before any
language is selected.  The first time languagechooser is executed, the
language is unset, and the untranslated texts are displayed.  The only
way to change the language in cdebconf is to kill it and start it
again.  This is not an option in languagechooser.


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Re: Working UTF-8 support with newt frontend?

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

I worked on this yesterday, and discovered that the UTF-8 characters
will be properly displayed if d-i/build/graphic.utf is printed in the
console.

I also discovered that whiptail also got the same problem.  Check out
URL:http://bugs.debian.org/187704 for the bug report and a test
script.  I belive the problem is in slang, failing to convert the
linux termcap values for linedrawing into UTF-8.

I hope the newt maintainer know more and will reply quickly. :)


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Re: cdebconf always falling back to English?

2003-04-05 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 11:58:57PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
 [Denis Barbier]
  In debian-installer, yes.  As a debconf replacement, no.
 
 Why not?  The default fallback language (ie untranslated) is already
 English, and should be English.

Sure, but user may be under POSIX locale, in which case encoding must be
ASCII, not UTF-8.

  Hmmm no, 'en' should be added after other languages.  Why don't you
  append 'en' to LANGUAGE in languagechooser?
 
 Because I want cdebconf to display the text from en.po before any
 language is selected.  The first time languagechooser is executed, the
 language is unset, and the untranslated texts are displayed.  The only
 way to change the language in cdebconf is to kill it and start it
 again.  This is not an option in languagechooser.

Hmmm, sending SIGUSR1 signal should allow this too.  And you can append
'en' to LANGUAGE environment variable before running cdebconf.

Denis


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Re: cvs commit to debian-installer/build/debian by mckinstry

2003-04-05 Thread Martin Sjögren
sön 2003-04-06 klockan 00.40 skrev Debian Boot CVS Master:
 Repository: debian-installer/build/debian
 who:mckinstry
 time:   Sat Apr  5 15:40:41 MST 2003
 Log Message:
   Prepare for upload

I talked to elmo about build-installer today and he thought the packages
looked weird. I think we need to think this through and discuss it with
the ftp-master team before doing anything drastic.


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2003-04-05 Thread Debian Installer
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  * Ensure that a list of all missing files is built.
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Re: d-i - Automated installs

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
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 This is a kickstart file I have used for Red Hat Linux 7.3.
 
 Using this, I can install a RHL desktop on a Celeron (about) 900 in
 under 15 minutes, with no interaction.

I've been thinking how this chould be done in d-i.  I believe we need
three things:

  - All packages using debconf to store info and ask questions.

  - A menu option to save the current debconf database to floppy as a
text file.  This could be used at the end of the install to save
all the answers used.

  - A boot option should be available to point d-i to the file on the
floppy, and it should load all answers from there, and set
DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical.

This would make it possible to do one manual install, save the setup
to floppy and edit the debconf answers to fit ones need, and then use
this floppy for the rest of the hosts.

In skolelinux, we use a similar mechanism to automate base-config.
I'm not sure if it is possible to extract all cdebconf answers like we
do with our debconf-save-answers for debconf,
URL:http://developer.skolelinux.no/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/skolelinux/src/base-config-skolelinux/tools/debconf-save-answers?rev=HEADcontent-type=text/plain.


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Re: Building d-i as a package

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Alastair McKinstry]
 It's not clear to me if you intend for the package to include the whole
 debian-installer source tree, or just the build directory.
 Just the build directory.

I believe I've seen some buildd maintainers complain about packages
requiring network access when building from source.  We might run into
problems with the buildd being unable to fetch the udebs.

And I am fairly sure the buildd is compiling as a normal user and not
root.  This will at the moment make it impossible to build the boot
floppies.  I suspect this package will fail to build on all platforms
until mtools/syslinux will work on an image instead of a loopback
mounted device.

On the other hand I like the idea of having the autobuilders test d-i.


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Re: Woody boot-floppies use flawed kernels

2003-04-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Thomas Viehmann]
 For installation at least, a local root hole is completely
 irrelevant. (There is no root password and no users.)
 The only thing that needs to be ensured is that the installed kernel
 is not vulnerable. That means
 - until a new point release is made, stock kernels should be automatically
   upgraded via the security.d.o apt-lines,

This do not work as you expect it.  The kernel used by b-f is copied
into place on the HD by b-f.  There is no package to upgrade.  No
kernel package is installed by b-f, and the people with a stock woody
will have the security problem until they manually install a new and
improved kernel.


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