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Re: Woody can't find an Adaptec 3200S RAID Volume

2003-07-02 Thread Dale Amon
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 04:58:49PM -0400, Dan DeVoe wrote:
 Right now it looks like my best bet is something close to that, although a
 ltitle easier: install to an IDE disk, build a custom kernel on that with
 the necessary drivers, then dd over the install from the IDE disk to the
 now existing array. Remove the IDE disk, and it should boot fine...right?

I presume that means you are making the IDE disk the boot device
in the BIOS for the duration of the dd operation... in which case,
yeah, been there, done that.

Although you may want to do the mkfs manually and then use
rsync to do the copy instead of dd. Much faster.


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Re: Woody can't find an Adaptec 3200S RAID Volume

2003-07-02 Thread Dale Amon
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 11:41:53PM +0100, Dale Amon wrote:
 Although you may want to do the mkfs manually and then use
 rsync to do the copy instead of dd. Much faster.

Or if not faster, at least you don't have to worry about
difference in partition sizes and you don't needlessly copy
several gig of empty partitiion.


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Re: Building boot images with boot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On 1 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

 Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I would need to build _everything_, unless there are binaries some place
  for oldworld powermacs. The build document is a little terse, and I
  don't see a list of udebs at all.
 No you don't have to do that. Read build/README. Basically you have to
 copy build/sources.list to build/sources.list.local and edit this file.
 Then you have to call make cd_image (patch pending) or make initrd to
 build installer images.


What about all those udebs? Don't I need those too?



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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On 1 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

 Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I would need to build _everything_, unless there are binaries some place
  for oldworld powermacs. The build document is a little terse, and I
  don't see a list of udebs at all.
 No you don't have to do that. Read build/README. Basically you have to
 copy build/sources.list to build/sources.list.local and edit this file.
 Then you have to call make cd_image (patch pending) or make initrd to
 build installer images.
 
 gaudenz


Okay, I  read that readme again and decided to try it on the basis that
if it works but take a day it mightn't matter too much.

Recipe:
 - install the build-dependancies on the host system
I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
breaks

 - adjust apt sources (create sources.list.local - see sources.list)
Did that.

 - run {sudo,fakeroot} make build
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# time make build
Makefile:83: make/arch/linux-powerpc: No such file or directory
make: *** No rule to make target `make/arch/linux-powerpc'.  Stop.

real0m3.378s
user0m1.020s
sys 0m0.800s
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build#


 - run sudo make image

 

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Re: Woody can't find an Adaptec 3200S RAID Volume

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 04:58:49PM -0400, Dan DeVoe wrote:
 On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dale Amon wrote:
 
   If I need to load a custom driver from adaptec, how on earth do I even go
   about doing this? It looks like they supply a kernel patch and module, and
   I'm unsure about how to go about getting those to work with a debian
   install CD.
 
  Doesn't it have an option for loading a driver off a floppy?
  I seem to remember seeing that option for drivers.
 
 Sure does, the only problem is, the driver available on adaptec's website
 isn't simply a module, but a module and a kernel patch. If there's a way
 to make the debian install use a custom kernel, I don't know anything
 about it and can't find anything about it.

For the stable installer, see 'Replacing the Rescue Floppy Kernel'
in the Install Manual.
 
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Re: powerbook 17 install

2003-07-02 Thread Brendan J Simon
Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.43 schrieb Brendan J Simon:
 

BTW the hardware detecting part is currently reworked to use discover2
which will play nicer with 2.4 kernels.
I assume I am using this new feature as I only dowloaded the images last 
night.
How can I tell?
If not, how can I use this new feature?

Thanks,
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Re: Building boot images with boot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:33:13PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I would need to build _everything_, unless there are binaries some place
  for oldworld powermacs. The build document is a little terse, and I
  don't see a list of udebs at all.
 No you don't have to do that. Read build/README. Basically you have to
 copy build/sources.list to build/sources.list.local and edit this file.
 Then you have to call make cd_image (patch pending) or make initrd to
 build installer images.
 
 gaudenz

I did just commit the patch for cd_image.

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Re: powerbook 17 install

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:39:28PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.43 schrieb Brendan J Simon:
  Hello,
  
  I'm trying to install debian on a new 1GHz Apple Powerbook.  I tried the 
  new installer at the address suggested below by Jens.  It works much 
  better but still has some problems.  I managed to copy the kernel, 
  net-initrd image and yaboot files to my macosx partition and booted the 
  installer via yaboot via openfirmware.  It detects my hard disk fine and 
  collects it's IP info via DHCP.  But it has problems during the Detect 
  hardware and load kernel drivers for it (full version).  I get errors 
  such like:
  
  Detecting HW and loading kernel modules'Linux IDE Driver'
  Do you want to load the missing module from a drivers floppy?
  A driver floppy is a ext2 floppy with one file modules.tgz ..
  
  Ofcourse my Mac does not have a floppy :)  Am I missing some files or is 
  it a bug in the installer ???
 In this step the installer tries to detect additional hardware, which is
 not supported by the kernel and to load kernel modules for it. Since
 probably all drivers needed for installing are included in the kernel,
 you can simply press return and not use any drivers floppys (obviously
 since you don't even have a floppy drive).
 
 BTW the hardware detecting part is currently reworked to use discover2
 which will play nicer with 2.4 kernels.

When this is fixed, we should check to see the user doesn't still
get an error message here on powerpc. Do we want a bug so we remember?

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Re: powerbook 17 install

2003-07-02 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 03.32 schrieb Brendan J Simon:
 Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 
 Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.43 schrieb Brendan J Simon:
   
 
 BTW the hardware detecting part is currently reworked to use discover2
 which will play nicer with 2.4 kernels.
 
 I assume I am using this new feature as I only dowloaded the images last 
 night.
 How can I tell?
 If not, how can I use this new feature?
It isn't in any image now. The discover2 packages are not ready for
inclusion. As far as you don't have any device needed for the
installation, that has no support in the installation kernel, simply
skip the hardware detection step. 
I updated the installation images last night. You can download new
images if you don't already have them.

gaudenz



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web page for d-i?

2003-07-02 Thread Martin Quinson
Hello,

It's maybe time to do an official web page for d-i, centralizing the info
available on various people page, and the information about how to translate
it. It would help newcommers to get able to help more quickly.

I can write the how to translate part, since I already answered the
question twice per email, but I cannot write the main part about the goals
and current status. Sadly, a page about translation cannot exist without the
main part...

Any volunteers in writing it ?

Thanks, Mt.

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Debian Installer hangs

2003-07-02 Thread Adrian Zaugg
Dear List

Installing Debian (Debian Alpha Port) on a rawhide with a diskaray
connected to a QLogic HVD (ISP 1040)* leads to a kernel panic:

VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00


If I connect a single SCSI Drive to a Symbios Card, removing all
QLogic-Adapters, I can install Debian. With such an installation and
having connected the diskarray afterwards, I can access the array and
use the disks (unfortunately there is no space to mount a single drive
in the box nowhere, so I must use the diskarray solely). With this, I
just want to state the hardware is basically working with Debian...

What I have tried so far, with same results:
  - use LordSuch's Netinst (from CD)
  - use the rescue- and rootdisk (from floppy)
  - preformat the disks in the array with ext3 and bsd disklabels (bsd
disklabels are needed for debian-alpha to boot)
  - with unformatted and unpartitioned disks
  - different scsi cabling and changing PCI slots
  - using bootflag rootfstype
  - googling to get other hints...
 
What else can I try?

What does the number 01:00 in the error-message mean? If I change the
cabling, sometimes I get 02:00 or even 08:00.


Thank you for your help!


Regards, Adrian.


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Scheme of Hardware:
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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images withboot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 02.03 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 Recipe:
  - install the build-dependancies on the host system
 I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
 breaks
see build/debian/control
  - run {sudo,fakeroot} make build
 Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# time make build
 Makefile:83: make/arch/linux-powerpc: No such file or directory
 make: *** No rule to make target `make/arch/linux-powerpc'.  Stop.
it's in cvs now.

Additonaly you will have to slightly modify the package lists. See diff
below. And you will need my udebs of mac-fdisk and udpkg.

gaudenz

Index: common
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/net/common,v
retrieving revision 1.12
diff -u -r1.12 common
--- common  29 May 2003 16:22:02 -  1.12
+++ common  2 Jul 2003 11:18:45 -
@@ -1,7 +1,6 @@
 # These udebs (plus base) are needed on a single-floppy system that
 # can get up on the net and download more udebs. If it's not needed for
 # such a system, do *not* list it here (space is tight..)
-busybox-cvs-net-udeb
 choose-mirror
 net-retriever
 # floppy-retriever requires floppy-modules, and over-fills the floppy.
Index: i386
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/net/i386,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.7 i386
--- i38610 Jun 2003 13:54:25 -  1.7
+++ i3862 Jul 2003 11:18:45 -
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+busybox-cvs-net-udeb
 discover-data-udeb
 discover-udeb
 hw-detect
Index: powerpc
===
RCS file:
/cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/net/powerpc,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 powerpc
--- powerpc 28 Jun 2003 05:42:18 -  1.1
+++ powerpc 2 Jul 2003 11:18:45 -
@@ -1,11 +1,16 @@
+modutils-basic
+busybox-cvs-udeb
 ide-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 scsi-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 nic-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 nic-modules-shared-${kernel:Version}-udeb
-packet-socket-${kernel:Version}-udeb
+socket-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 #usb-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 #input-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 console-keymaps-amiga
 console-keymaps-ps2
 console-keymaps-usb
 kbd-chooser
+
+#temporary workaround
+mac-fdisk-udeb



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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 08:03:57AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 
  Am Die, 2003-07-01 um 14.40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   I would need to build _everything_, unless there are binaries some place
   for oldworld powermacs. The build document is a little terse, and I
   don't see a list of udebs at all.
  No you don't have to do that. Read build/README. Basically you have to
  copy build/sources.list to build/sources.list.local and edit this file.
  Then you have to call make cd_image (patch pending) or make initrd to
  build installer images.
  
  gaudenz
 
 
 Okay, I  read that readme again and decided to try it on the basis that
 if it works but take a day it mightn't matter too much.
 
 Recipe:
  - install the build-dependancies on the host system
 I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
 breaks

The build dependencies are listed in build/debian/control.in. One easy way
to have it check for you, is to cp debian/control.in to debian/control, 
then in the bulid directory use dpkg-buildpackage -D -b. Although this is 
not a normal debian package, you will still get the unsatisfied dependencies
listed. There is also a @UDEB_DEPENDS@ entry, which the make process will
fill in and download later based on your arch and sources.list.local.

  - adjust apt sources (create sources.list.local - see sources.list)
 Did that.
 
  - run {sudo,fakeroot} make build
 Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# time make build
 Makefile:83: make/arch/linux-powerpc: No such file or directory
 make: *** No rule to make target `make/arch/linux-powerpc'.  Stop.

This is the file that was committed last night.
 
 real0m3.378s
 user0m1.020s
 sys 0m0.800s
 Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build#
 
 
  - run sudo make image
 
  
 
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http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.fr.html

2003-07-02 Thread Louis Granboulan
Section 3.7.3 should mention that debootstrap needs to have /sbin and 
/usr/sbin in the PATH, which is notr obvious, because the manual asks 
to run /usr/sbin/debootstrap with full path.
By the way, the debootstrap*_i386.deb files are compiled with a recent 
glibc (2.3). Therefore one needs to recompile the files when upgrading 
from a Redhat 6.0.
Thanks

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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On 2 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

 Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 02.03 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  
  Recipe:
   - install the build-dependancies on the host system
  I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
  breaks
 see build/debian/control
   - run {sudo,fakeroot} make build
  Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# time make build
  Makefile:83: make/arch/linux-powerpc: No such file or directory
  make: *** No rule to make target `make/arch/linux-powerpc'.  Stop.
 it's in cvs now.
 
 Additonaly you will have to slightly modify the package lists. See diff
 below. And you will need my udebs of mac-fdisk and udpkg.
I presume this is going to be committed RSN. I've manually patvhed the
powerpc file.

Now, 
Need to download : rootskel cdebconf-udeb main-menu udpkg anna
di-utils-shell kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn busybox-cvs-net-udeb
choose-mirror net-retriever netcfg-static netcfg-dhcp modutils-basic
busybox-cvs-udeb ide-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn
scsi-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn nic-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn
nic-modules-shared-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn
socket-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn console-keymaps-amiga
console-keymaps-ps2 console-keymaps-usb kbd-chooser mac-fdisk-udeb
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udebn
make: *** [net-get_udebs-stamp] Error 100

Here's what I changed to get past that:
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# diff -u Makefile jmakefile
--- MakefileSat Jun 28 13:20:13 2003
+++ jmakefile   Thu Jul  3 06:40:59 2003
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
pkg-lists/base \
pkg-lists/$(TYPE)/common \
`if [ -f pkg-lists/$(TYPE)/$(DEB_HOST_ARCH) ];
then echo pkg-lists/$(TYPE)/$(DEB_HOST_ARCH); fi` \
-   | sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$${kernel:Version}\(.*\)$$/$(foreach
VERSION,$(KERNELIMAGEVERSION),\1$(VERSION)\2\n)/g' \
+   | sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$${kernel:Version}\(.*\)$$/$(foreach
VERSION,$(KERNELIMAGEVERSION),\1$(VERSION)\2)/g' \
) $(EXTRAS)

 # Scratch directory.
@@ -176,6 +176,7 @@
$(APT_GET) autoclean
# If there are local udebs, remove them from the list of things
# to
# get. Then get all the udebs that are left to get.
+   echo udebs=$(UDEBS)
needed=$(UDEBS) $(DRIVER1_UDEBS); \
for file in `find $(LOCALUDEBDIR) -name *_* -printf %f\n
2/dev/null`; do \
package=`echo $$file | cut -d _ -f 1`; \
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build#



Watch the wrapping;-(

I'll send this off while I ponder the next breakage:
Need to download : rootskel cdebconf-udeb main-menu udpkg anna
di-utils-shell kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb busybox-cvs-net-udeb
choose-mirror net-retriever netcfg-static netcfg-dhcp modutils-basic
busybox-cvs-udeb ide-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
scsi-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb nic-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
nic-modules-shared-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
socket-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb console-keymaps-amiga
console-keymaps-ps2 console-keymaps-usb kbd-chooser mac-fdisk-udeb
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no available version, but exists in the
database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
E: Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no installation candidate
make: *** [net-get_udebs-stamp] Error 100

real0m4.819s
user0m2.480s
sys 0m1.850s
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build#

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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images withboot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 23.41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 2 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 
  Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 02.03 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'll send this off while I ponder the next breakage:
 Need to download : rootskel cdebconf-udeb main-menu udpkg anna
 di-utils-shell kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb busybox-cvs-net-udeb
 choose-mirror net-retriever netcfg-static netcfg-dhcp modutils-basic
 busybox-cvs-udeb ide-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
 scsi-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb nic-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
 nic-modules-shared-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
 socket-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb console-keymaps-amiga
 console-keymaps-ps2 console-keymaps-usb kbd-chooser mac-fdisk-udeb
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no available version, but exists in the
 database.
 This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
 never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
 of sources.list
 E: Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no installation candidate
 make: *** [net-get_udebs-stamp] Error 100
 
Reread my last email and adjust your pkg-lists.
Keep in mind that d-i is still under developement and not yet released,
so post a little bit less honestly if you would like to have an answer
next time.

gaudenz



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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On 3 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

 Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 23.41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 2 Jul 2003, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
  
   Am Mit, 2003-07-02 um 02.03 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I'll send this off while I ponder the next breakage:
  Need to download : rootskel cdebconf-udeb main-menu udpkg anna
  di-utils-shell kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb busybox-cvs-net-udeb
  choose-mirror net-retriever netcfg-static netcfg-dhcp modutils-basic
  busybox-cvs-udeb ide-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
  scsi-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb nic-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
  nic-modules-shared-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
  socket-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb console-keymaps-amiga
  console-keymaps-ps2 console-keymaps-usb kbd-chooser mac-fdisk-udeb
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no available version, but exists in the
  database.
  This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
  never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
  of sources.list
  E: Package busybox-cvs-net-udeb has no installation candidate
  make: *** [net-get_udebs-stamp] Error 100
  
 Reread my last email and adjust your pkg-lists.
 Keep in mind that d-i is still under developement and not yet released,
 so post a little bit less honestly if you would like to have an answer
 next time.


I don't understand, little bit less honestly. You want me to lie? What
have I done wrong?

Remember, I'm only using _this_ package because I can't get help to use
b-f which is my preferred choice.

The probem that stops me now is this:
Need to download : rootskel cdebconf-udeb main-menu udpkg anna
di-utils-shell kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb choose-mirror
net-retriever netcfg-static netcfg-dhcp modutils-basic busybox-cvs-udeb
ide-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb scsi-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
nic-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb nic-modules-shared-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb
socket-modules-2.4.20-powerpc-udeb console-keymaps-amiga
console-keymaps-ps2 console-keymaps-usb kbd-chooser mac-fdisk-udeb
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package mac-fdisk-udeb
make: *** [net-get_udebs-stamp] Error 100

I have these changes from CVS, jmakefile is my fixed makefile to get
over the udebn problem.
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer# cvs -q diff -u
? build/jmakefile
Index: build/pkg-lists/base
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base,v
retrieving revision 1.11
diff -u -r1.11 base
--- build/pkg-lists/base1 Jun 2003 08:40:39 -   1.11
+++ build/pkg-lists/base2 Jul 2003 23:37:41 -
@@ -8,3 +8,4 @@
 # The kernel is just unpacked to copy the source.  It is not included
 # in the initrd file.
 kernel-image-${kernel:Version}-udeb
+
Index: build/pkg-lists/net/common
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/net/common,v
retrieving revision 1.12
diff -u -r1.12 common
--- build/pkg-lists/net/common  29 May 2003 16:22:02 -  1.12
+++ build/pkg-lists/net/common  2 Jul 2003 23:37:41 -
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 # These udebs (plus base) are needed on a single-floppy system that
 # can get up on the net and download more udebs. If it's not needed for
 # such a system, do *not* list it here (space is tight..)
-busybox-cvs-net-udeb
+#busybox-cvs-net-udeb
 choose-mirror
 net-retriever
 # floppy-retriever requires floppy-modules, and over-fills the floppy.
Index: build/pkg-lists/net/powerpc
===
RCS file:
/cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/net/powerpc,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 powerpc
--- build/pkg-lists/net/powerpc 28 Jun 2003 05:42:18 -  1.1
+++ build/pkg-lists/net/powerpc 2 Jul 2003 23:37:41 -
@@ -1,11 +1,18 @@
+modutils-basic
+busybox-cvs-udeb
 ide-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 scsi-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 nic-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 nic-modules-shared-${kernel:Version}-udeb
-packet-socket-${kernel:Version}-udeb
+socket-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 #usb-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 #input-modules-${kernel:Version}-udeb
 console-keymaps-amiga
 console-keymaps-ps2
 console-keymaps-usb
 kbd-chooser
+
+#temporary workaround
+mac-fdisk-udeb
+
+
Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer#


Possibly, this is just a timing issue with mirrors, though I'd have
thought ftp.wa.au.debian.org would have done its daily update by now.


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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:

  Recipe:
   - install the build-dependancies on the host system
  I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
  breaks
 
 The build dependencies are listed in build/debian/control.in. One easy way
 to have it check for you, is to cp debian/control.in to debian/control, 
 then in the bulid directory use dpkg-buildpackage -D -b. Although this is 
 not a normal debian package, you will still get the unsatisfied dependencies
 listed. There is also a @UDEB_DEPENDS@ entry, which the make process will
 fill in and download later based on your arch and sources.list.local.
 
I presume I need to upgrade this system to sid?

btw is either b-f or d-i supposed to be able to create a bootable CD for
the powermac? From what Ive read, these OldWorld powermacs are supposed
to boot from CD, but I've not got a CD that does boot on them.


   - adjust apt sources (create sources.list.local - see sources.list)
  Did that.
  
   - run {sudo,fakeroot} make build
  Kultarr:~/cvs/bf/debian-installer/build# time make build
  Makefile:83: make/arch/linux-powerpc: No such file or directory

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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppies on PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 07:54:37AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
 
   Recipe:
- install the build-dependancies on the host system
   I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
   breaks
  
  The build dependencies are listed in build/debian/control.in. One easy way
  to have it check for you, is to cp debian/control.in to debian/control, 
  then in the bulid directory use dpkg-buildpackage -D -b. Although this is 
  not a normal debian package, you will still get the unsatisfied dependencies
  listed. There is also a @UDEB_DEPENDS@ entry, which the make process will
  fill in and download later based on your arch and sources.list.local.
  
 I presume I need to upgrade this system to sid?

No, I wouldn't upgrade the whole system if I were you. If you install the
packages you need, they will pull in the dependencies from unstable as 
needed, for example libc6 etc. But you will have a more stable system
if you just let it get whatever it needs out of sid.
 
 btw is either b-f or d-i supposed to be able to create a bootable CD for
 the powermac? From what Ive read, these OldWorld powermacs are supposed
 to boot from CD, but I've not got a CD that does boot on them.

CDs are produced by yet another package, debian-cd. It uses mkisofs
to create an hfs-hybrid bootable CD, well bootable on NewWorlds anyway.
OldWorld powermacs can boot from CD, only if the CD has proprietary
MacOS drivers. So Debian CDs don't boot on OldWorlds because there is
no free equivalent CD driver (it's MacOS ROM code I believe).

You can make an OldWorld bootable, if you want to copy the drivers
from a MacOS bootable CD -- but we can't distribute that solution.
There is a recipe somewhere, I think in mkisofs docs.

BootX is convenient for booting OldWorlds from an existing MacOS
installation.

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Re: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.fr.html

2003-07-02 Thread Chris Tillman
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:42:29PM +0200, Louis Granboulan wrote:
 Section 3.7.3 should mention that debootstrap needs to have /sbin and 
 /usr/sbin in the PATH, which is notr obvious, because the manual asks 
 to run /usr/sbin/debootstrap with full path.
 By the way, the debootstrap*_i386.deb files are compiled with a recent 
 glibc (2.3). Therefore one needs to recompile the files when upgrading 
 from a Redhat 6.0.
 Thanks

Thank you, I have added that information.

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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 07:54:37AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Chris Tillman wrote:
  
Recipe:
 - install the build-dependancies on the host system
I don't know what they are, don't know how to find out so we'll see what
breaks
   
   The build dependencies are listed in build/debian/control.in. One easy way
   to have it check for you, is to cp debian/control.in to debian/control, 
   then in the bulid directory use dpkg-buildpackage -D -b. Although this is 
   not a normal debian package, you will still get the unsatisfied dependencies
   listed. There is also a @UDEB_DEPENDS@ entry, which the make process will
   fill in and download later based on your arch and sources.list.local.
   
  I presume I need to upgrade this system to sid?
 
 No, I wouldn't upgrade the whole system if I were you. If you install the
 packages you need, they will pull in the dependencies from unstable as 
 needed, for example libc6 etc. But you will have a more stable system
 if you just let it get whatever it needs out of sid.

I copied by deb line, changed stable to unstable and ran this command:
for p in install libdiscover1-pic libdiscover1 genext2fs mklibs libdebconfclient0 
libdebian-installer3; do apt-get -qqyu install $p; done

which wasn't entirely sensible (no package called install). This doesn't
look like my greatest success:
Current default timezone: 'Australia/Perth'.
Local time is now:  Thu Jul  3 12:46:42 WST 2003.
Universal Time is now:  Thu Jul  3 04:46:42 UTC 2003.
Run 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it.

Setting up libdb1-compat (2.1.3-7) ...

(Reading database ... 27739 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace libdiscover1 1.1-6 (using
.../libdiscover1_1.5-1.4_powerpc.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libdiscover1 ...
Setting up libc6-pic (2.3.1-17) ...
Setting up libc6-dev (2.3.1-17) ...
Setting up locales (2.3.1-17) ...
Generating locales...
  en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
  en_US.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 24: 32642 Terminated
localedef -i $input -c -f $charset $locale -A /etc/locale.alias
dpkg: error processing locales (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 143
Setting up libdiscover1 (1.5-1.4) ...


What should I do to fix this?

  
  btw is either b-f or d-i supposed to be able to create a bootable CD for
  the powermac? From what Ive read, these OldWorld powermacs are supposed
  to boot from CD, but I've not got a CD that does boot on them.
 
 CDs are produced by yet another package, debian-cd. It uses mkisofs
 to create an hfs-hybrid bootable CD, well bootable on NewWorlds anyway.
 OldWorld powermacs can boot from CD, only if the CD has proprietary
 MacOS drivers. So Debian CDs don't boot on OldWorlds because there is
 no free equivalent CD driver (it's MacOS ROM code I believe).
 
 You can make an OldWorld bootable, if you want to copy the drivers
 from a MacOS bootable CD -- but we can't distribute that solution.
 There is a recipe somewhere, I think in mkisofs docs.
 
 BootX is convenient for booting OldWorlds from an existing MacOS
 installation.
 
 

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Re: Building D-I - formerly Building boot images with boot-floppieson PowerMac

2003-07-02 Thread debian
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 look like my greatest success:
 Current default timezone: 'Australia/Perth'.
 Local time is now:  Thu Jul  3 12:46:42 WST 2003.
 Universal Time is now:  Thu Jul  3 04:46:42 UTC 2003.
 Run 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it.
 
 Setting up libdb1-compat (2.1.3-7) ...
 
 (Reading database ... 27739 files and directories currently installed.)
 Preparing to replace libdiscover1 1.1-6 (using
 .../libdiscover1_1.5-1.4_powerpc.deb) ...
 Unpacking replacement libdiscover1 ...
 Setting up libc6-pic (2.3.1-17) ...
 Setting up libc6-dev (2.3.1-17) ...
 Setting up locales (2.3.1-17) ...
 Generating locales...
   en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
   en_US.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 24: 32642 Terminated
 localedef -i $input -c -f $charset $locale -A /etc/locale.alias
 dpkg: error processing locales (--configure):
  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 143
 Setting up libdiscover1 (1.5-1.4) ...
 
 
 What should I do to fix this?
 
Never mind. I tried one or two things and eventually got an out of
memory error. I added another 32 Mbytes of swap and it's going on now.

Currently running with 32 Mbytes RAM, 64 Mbytes swap.


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