Re: Introduction

[Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim]

Steve Langasek wrote:
> "The community" does not prefer Reply-To.

John Summerfield wrote:
> Where are the latest voting results on the matter?
> Is voting done per-list, or overall?

I guess that "The community" above means "the Debian Lords
and Deities"; and that is fine for this "debian-boot" list.
Unfortunately, the "debian-user-indonesian" community prefers
"Reply-To:". Therefore, they have abandon the "official list";
to join the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" list.
 
> There are several good mail clients in Debian with an adequate
> "list-reply" function.  I would encourage you to try one.

I do not have many options as a non-English speaker. My previous
mail client was Netscape 4.77. Evolution 1.05 was the only mail client
with a speller. Now I am stuck, since it is not easy to move hundreds
of Megabytes cascaded mail folders to another mail client.
I can not switch just because I am following "debian-boot".

> And this is not the proper forum for discussing Debian list policy.
But, since it was posted to this public list; I have to reply it to
this list too.

Last,
- I have no problem to do extra click in "debian-boot", but
  I do not want to do that in "debian-user-indonesian".
- No need to vote.
- Now, let's back to the regular debian-boot program.

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Re: release status (checklist)

[Rick Thomas]

Joey Hess wrote:

> The test
> checklist in installer/doc/checklist is still missing many entries and
> the more complete it is the better I'd feel about calling this release
> rc1 instead of beta5.

If you'll send me a pointer (URL?) to the test checklist, I'll try to make sure that 
it gets as done as possible for OldWorld PowerPC hardware.

Thanks!

Rick


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Re: release status

[Rick Thomas]

OOOps... I accidentally hit "send" when I meant to hit "save"... Here's the complete 
message as I intended it to be!

Rick

Joey Hess wrote:
> 
> At this point the only delay is waiting for the autobuilders, which are
> overloaded from all the other uploads surrounding the sarge release, to
> catch up and build the d-i images. In the past 24 hours, we've gotten
> builds for hppa, ia64, s390, and sparc, plus a manual build for alpha.
> That leaves arm, m68k (building), mips, mipsel, and powerpc. d-i is far
> back in the queue for most of these arches[1] and is even slipping
> further behind on some as more high-urgency package uploads happen.
> 
> Since it's looking like it could easily take days for some of these
> builds to catch up, we may need to do manual builds on some of these
> architectures. It would be nice if we could get all the builds done
> before the next dinstall run. If you do a manual build, please take careto make it 
> in an up-to-date and clean sid chroot.
> 
> Other than that, we seem to be on track for a release. I'm not aware of
> any showstopper issues, and the current errata list is quite small. Once
> the initrd builds get in and the CDs are built with them, we will have
> one final day for last minute testing before the release. The test
> checklist in installer/doc/checklist is still missing many entries and
> the more complete it is the better I'd feel about calling this release
> rc1 instead of beta5.
> 

Over the last couple of weeks, I've submitted three (what I consider to be) serious 
bug report for d-i on OldWorld PowerPC machines, along with several more that are more 
in the line of annoyances.

Any one of these three bugs will render debian-installer unusable for anyone with 
anything but a "plain vanilla" hardware or networking environment who doesn't have 
help from a competent System Administrator, or have such skills personally.  Since I'm 
the only one on this list who cares two figs about OldWorld PowerPC hardware, and I 
have UNIX SysAdmin experience going back 25 years (including some pretty unusual 
hardware!), I guess it's not a show stopper...  Still, there *might* be some folks out 
there in the "real world" (TM), who will be disappointed that they can't figure out 
how to install the new Debian release on their particular old Macintosh hardware.  You 
never know!

For reference, here are the bug numbers and a short description of each:

Bug#261460: Non-DHCP network config step of d-i is broken
If you choose to manually configure the network (don't use DHCP) the installer 
keeps coming back to the "configure network" step.  And if you force it to move 
forward, then after the reboot, the network interface is not configured.  This seems 
to be unique to OldWorld PowerPC hardware (I've tried it on two different types of 
OldWorld machines and it breaks identically on both of them.  However, it works on a 
couple of NewWorld machines I tried it on.  Go figure!)  Also, accepting the default 
of DNSserver==gateway seems to make it work OK.  Verrry strange!

Bug#262201: PowerMac (OldWorld) - no driver for onboard SCSI

The 2.6.7 kernel version of d-i for PowerPC does not recognize Apple's old "mesh" 
onboard SCSI controller.  Seeing as how lots of OldWorld machines have no other way 
than SCSI of attaching disks or CD-ROM drives, this renders them ineligible for 
installation using the 2.6.7 kernel.  It works OK with the 2.4.25 kernel.

Bug#262865: With two network interfaces after reboot uses the wrong one

On a machine with two Network interface cards, only one of which is to be used (e.g. 
my situation with an onboard 10BaseT and a PCI 100BaseT but I only want to use the 
faster interface, and ignore the slower) after the reboot, the wrong interface is 
configured.

Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: D-I impressions

[Glenn McGrath]

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:07:16 -0500
Ryan Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - Should ntpdate be included as part of the base install? 
> pool.ntp.org
>   is rather reliable, and it helps to have one's clock in a sane state
>   so that tar does not complain about timestamps being in the future,
>   and things like that.

rdate would be simpler, busybox has an rdate which is very small.



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Re: release status

[Rick Thomas]

Joey Hess wrote:
> 
> At this point the only delay is waiting for the autobuilders, which are
> overloaded from all the other uploads surrounding the sarge release, to
> catch up and build the d-i images. In the past 24 hours, we've gotten
> builds for hppa, ia64, s390, and sparc, plus a manual build for alpha.
> That leaves arm, m68k (building), mips, mipsel, and powerpc. d-i is far
> back in the queue for most of these arches[1] and is even slipping
> further behind on some as more high-urgency package uploads happen.
> 
> Since it's looking like it could easily take days for some of these
> buildds to catch up, we may need to do manual builds on some of these
> architectures. It would be nice if we could get all the builds done
> before the next dinstall run. If you do a manual build, please take careto make it 
> in an up-to-date and clean sid chroot.
> 
> Other than that, we seem to be on track for a release. I'm not aware of
> any showstopper issues, and the current errata list is quite small. Once
> the initrd builds get in and the CDs are built with them, we will have
> one final day for last minute testing before the release. The test
> checklist in installer/doc/checklist is still missing many entries and
> the more complete it is the better I'd feel about calling this release
> rc1 instead of beta5.
> 

Over the last couple of weeks, I've submitted three (what I consider to be) serious 
bug report for d-i on OldWorld PowerPC machines, along with several more that are more 
in the line of annoyances.

Any one of these three bugs will render debian-installer unusable for anyone with 
anything but a "plain vanilla" hardware or networking environment who doesn't have 
help from a competant System Administrator, or have such skills personally.  Since I'm 
the only one on this list who cares two figs about OldWorld PowerPC hardware, and I 
have UNIX SysAdmin experience going back 25 years (including some pretty unusual 
hardware!), I guess it's not a show stopper...  Still, there *might* be some folks out 
there in the "real world" (TM), who will be disappointed that they can't figure out 
how to install the new Debian release on their particular old Macintosh hardware.  You 
never know!

For reference, here are the bug numbers and a short description of each:

Bug#261460: Non-DHCP network config step of d-i is broken
If you choose to manually configure the network (don't use DHCP) the installer 
keeps coming back to the "configure network" step, and if you force it to move 
forward, after the reboot, the network is not configured.  This seems to be unique to 
OldWorld PowerPC hardware (I've tried it on two different types of OldWorld machines 
and it breaks identically on both of them.  However, it works on a couple of NewWorld 
machines I tried it on.)  Also, accepting the default of DNSserver==gateway makes it 
work OK.  Verrry strange!

Bug#262201: PowerMac (OldWorld) - no driver for onboard SCSI

Bug#262865: With two network interfaces after reboot uses the wrong one


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D-I impressions

[Ryan Underwood]

Hi,

I had the first opportunity to install Debian in a long time today, so I
gave the new D-I beta4 a shot (110MB CD image).  The machine is a
Gateway G6-400 (Intel WS440BX, PII-400, 384MB RAM, 3dfx Banshee video
card, 6.4GB IDE + 18GB SCSI HD, IDE CD + zip drive, 3c59x PCI network
card, and Tekram DC-390F SCSI card [sym83xx75]).  I installed Debian onto
the 18GB SCSI disk as a whole disk installation.

The installation went really well for the most part, but I jotted down
some comments while proceeding, which I list here in no particular
order (and with no serious thought into much of them).

- Is is possible to use the bootsplash kernel patch to put a nice Debian
  logo before D-I comes up, rather than showing a spew of Linux kernel
  messages?

- Is is possible to include memtest86 on the install CD as a boot option?
  One of the first things I do when installing a new machine is to check
  that everything is sane.  In this case, Linux crashed when booting the
  first time.  When I made a memtest floppy, I found that one of the
  memory sticks was seated poorly and causing memory errors (probably
  what caused the machine to be given away).  It would have been nice to
  simply do this from the syslinux menu.

- Should ntpdate be included as part of the base install?  pool.ntp.org
  is rather reliable, and it helps to have one's clock in a sane state
  so that tar does not complain about timestamps being in the future,
  and things like that.

- In the partitioning menu, I finished partitioning and went to "Go
  Back" to go back to the main menu.  Unfortunately, I didn't know this
  was equivalent to a "Cancel" action, and lost my changes after a
  warning.  Perhaps there should be a confirmation to "Go Back" as there
  would be a confirmation to cancelling anything in a GUI which the user
  has already placed input to.

- This box is to be a dedicated server with no user accounts, but Multi
  User was the only option that made sensible partition defaults
  (because I like separate partitions to avoid fragmentation, limit
  spread of corruption in case of a problem, etc).   Something seems
  incongruent about saying "Multi User" for a machine with no accounts.
  Perhaps this should also be tagged "Server", because very few server
  administrators would install machines with only (/) or (/ and /home).

- The values that Multi User chose for the partitions were ok for the
  most part.  I found its choice of 150MB out of 18GB for / to be rather
  low.  This is almost filled already after installing some
  kernel+module packages in addition to the base system.  Perhaps this
  should be calculated by: "500MB or 5% of disk, whichever is lower".
  I also found a 20MB /tmp to be a very constraining default.  I've had
  strange things happen to me in the past when /tmp has filled up, until 
  I realized what was going on.  It would seem that a more generous /tmp
  would be in order, or else make it part of / by default to make the
  size more flexible.

- It seems that when one selects reiserfs for a root partition, that
  notail should be a default mount option.  If the menu is explored, it
  is suggested, but I didn't explore it at first and missed that.  Also,
  noatime should be suggested more highly; it greatly improves
  performance at the expense of auditing power and would seem to be a
  reasonable default for most machines.

- There are other FHS trees which are not mentioned in the partitioner
  box which allows the user to choose the mount point.  /opt and /srv
  were the ones I noticed.  It seems that it would make sense to include
  most of the FHS mount points in this menu along with their FHS
  descriptions, except for the removable media mounts.

After that, everything went smoothly until the end, when it was time to
install GRUB.  Grub installer decided, without asking me (that I can
remember) to install on (hd0).  This is a mistake, because hd0 refers to
the IDE disk for some reason.  The SCSI disk is the actual boot drive,
because the controller's BIOS takes over int13.  So when I rebooted the
system, it didn't come up (because GRUB was placed on the IDE disk while
the system is attempting to boot from the SCSI disk because of the SCSI
BIOS).

The last problem, of which I can't determine the source, is that the
partition table appears to be created with a xxx/64/63 geometry by the
partitioner.  I'm not sure why this is done.  Most SCSI disks I can
remember partitioning would have a xxx/255/63 geometry.  Because of
this, the controller BIOS issues a lengthy complaint when it sees this
geometry on the disk it probes, and pauses the boot process for a great
length.  It complains that a 64 head geometry will not be bootable by
any OS other than DOS.  This is clearly false, because Debian boots and
works just fine (once GRUB is installed on the correct drive).  But I'm
curious why the partition table is created with a 64 head geometry
instead of a 255 head one which is the standard thing to do.

A

Re: Introduction

[John Summerfield]

Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:08:37AM +0700, Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim wrote:
 

On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:12, Colin Watson wrote:
   

 

Google for "Reply-To considered harmful".
 

 

Nevertheless: Smoking is considered harmful, Fat is harmful too,
Cholesterol is harmful. But, what if the community prefer those
harmful things?
   

"The community" does not prefer Reply-To.
 

Where are the latest voting results on the matter?
Is voting done per-list, or overall?

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Re: Introduction

[John Summerfield]

Matthew A. Nicholson wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
Greg Folkert wrote:
Personally, I use: CTRL+L to reply to list.
 

Thunderbird lacks that option.
Use the reply all in thunder bird just like I just did. (Ctrl-Shift-R)
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Bug#262941: d-i 01aug2004 : possible solution => pppoe, pppoeconf problem

[Andre Felipe Machado]

Hello, 
The plog line below gave the hint:

> Aug  2 20:59:32 debian pppd[758]: Failed to create PPPoE socket: Address
> family not supported by protocol

The modules was not loaded at boot.
So I tried to include the following line at /etc/modules:

pppoe


Now it "seems" to work "most of times". 
I realized that it try to connect for about 1 or 2 seconds then give up.
The previous pppoe tried a lot before giving up. Sometimes for minutes.
Well, is it a d-i problem or a pppoeconf problem to include the module loading 
at boot time? What is the right file to include it?

Thanks
André Felipe

Re: Introduction

[John Summerfield]

Greg Folkert wrote:
Personally, I use: CTRL+L to reply to list.
 

Thunderbird lacks that option.
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Bug#263137: rootskel: serial console won't accept other languages

[Kenshi Muto]

Package: rootskel
Severity: important
Version: 0.88
Tags: patch

Hi,

I tried serial console installation for i386, but this looks support
only in English.

languagechooser shows many languages, but for example, when I choice
Japanese, it goes hang up and local characters are hidden (even if I
use UTF-8 serial terminal).

I found a problem in rootskel.

- install in UTF-8 needs setting LANG.
- S40term-linux checks TERM, and set LANG=C.UTF-8 only if TERM=linux.
- When I use serial, no LANG is specified.
- installer works non UTF-8 mode, but messages are still in UTF-8...Many
  strange things occur.

Here is a quick patch. I think this breaks nothing.

Index: S40term-linux
===
--- S40term-linux   (revision 18822)
+++ S40term-linux   (working copy)
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
if [ "$TERM_TYPE" = virtual ]; then
echo -ne "\033[9;0]" # Turn off console blanking.
fi
+fi

# Enable UTF-8 locale if it is available
if [ -d /usr/lib/locale/C.UTF-8 ]; then
@@ -11,4 +12,3 @@
echo -ne "\033%G" # Enable UTF-8 console
fi
fi
-fi


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Bug#262941: d-i 01aug2004 => pppoe, network, ppoeconf problems

[Andre Felipe Machado]

Hello,
Following the hint from Savio Ramos, I installed etherconf.

The package tried to configure dhcp.
I configured it for static, then edited /etc/network/interfaces , 
commenting out the lines of static configuration.
After, called pppoeconf and it "seemed" to work.
But after a new reboot, pppoe did not worked again.
Weird: a new pppoeconf cycle and pppoe is up again, until the next boot.

See the plog after a boot:

Aug  2 20:59:31 debian pppd[754]: RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.3 compiled against pppd 
2.4.2
Aug  2 20:59:31 debian pppd[758]: pppd 2.4.2 started by root, uid 0
Aug  2 20:59:32 debian pppd[758]: PPP session is 5304
Aug  2 20:59:32 debian pppd[758]: Failed to create PPPoE socket: Address family not 
supported by protocol
Aug  2 20:59:32 debian pppd[758]: Exit.


Now, see the plog after a pppoeconf (ip numbers edited):

Aug  2 21:03:22 debian pppd[1101]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500
Aug  2 21:03:22 debian pppd[1101]: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500
Aug  2 21:03:22 debian pppd[1101]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500
Aug  2 21:03:22 debian pppd[1101]: PAP authentication succeeded
Aug  2 21:03:22 debian pppd[1101]: peer from calling number 00:xx:yy:zz:tt:kk 
authorized
Aug  2 21:03:23 debian pppd[1101]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
Aug  2 21:03:23 debian pppd[1101]: local  IP address 200.zz.XX.xx
Aug  2 21:03:23 debian pppd[1101]: remote IP address 200.zz.XX.yy
Aug  2 21:03:23 debian pppd[1101]: primary   DNS address 200.zz.xx.yy
Aug  2 21:03:23 debian pppd[1101]: secondary DNS address 200.zz.xx.yy

What is wrong?
Why a pppoe connection can not be made after a reboot?
Is there a missing module?
Is the problem at some network configuration file?
The d-i from 13 july had a working pppoe.
Thanks.

André Felipe

release status

[Joey Hess]

At this point the only delay is waiting for the autobuilders, which are
overloaded from all the other uploads surrounding the sarge release, to
catch up and build the d-i images. In the past 24 hours, we've gotten
builds for hppa, ia64, s390, and sparc, plus a manual build for alpha.
That leaves arm, m68k (building), mips, mipsel, and powerpc. d-i is far
back in the queue for most of these arches[1] and is even slipping
further behind on some as more high-urgency package uploads happen.

Since it's looking like it could easily take days for some of these
buildds to catch up, we may need to do manual builds on some of these
architectures. It would be nice if we could get all the builds done
before the next dinstall run. If you do a manual build, please take careto make it in 
an up-to-date and clean sid chroot.

Other than that, we seem to be on track for a release. I'm not aware of
any showstopper issues, and the current errata list is quite small. Once
the initrd builds get in and the CDs are built with them, we will have
one final day for last minute testing before the release. The test
checklist in installer/doc/checklist is still missing many entries and
the more complete it is the better I'd feel about calling this release
rc1 instead of beta5.

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Re: Introduction

[Matthew A. Nicholson]

John Summerfield wrote:
Greg Folkert wrote:
Personally, I use: CTRL+L to reply to list.
 

Thunderbird lacks that option.
Use the reply all in thunder bird just like I just did. (Ctrl-Shift-R)
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Re: Introduction

[John Summerfield]

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Re: Introduction

[Steve Langasek]

On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:08:37AM +0700, Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:12, Colin Watson wrote:

> > Google for "Reply-To considered harmful".

> Nevertheless: Smoking is considered harmful, Fat is harmful too,
> Cholesterol is harmful. But, what if the community prefer those
> harmful things?

"The community" does not prefer Reply-To.

> It is never my intention to write a private mail to debian-boot.
> What's wrong with one "click" (reply-to) instead of:
> - click reply-to-all
> - cut "Colin Watson" from "To:"
> - cut "debian-boot" from "Cc:" and paste it into "To:".

There are several good mail clients in Debian with an adequate
"list-reply" function.  I would encourage you to try one.

And this is not the proper forum for discussing Debian list policy.

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Bug#263110: marked as done (base-config: debconf-seed script doesn't run because it isn't executable.)

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Package: base-config
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The debconf-seed feature of base-config doesn't work.
At build time, debian/rules runs

dh_install lib/* usr/lib/base-config/

and that doesn't set the execute permission on any of the scripts.
Thus, the base-config menu system won't run
/usr/lib/base-config/menu/debconf-seed .

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Source: base-config
Source-Version: 2.39

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
base-config, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

base-config_2.39.dsc
  to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.39.dsc
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  to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.39.tar.gz
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  to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.39_all.deb



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Date: Mon,  2 Aug 2004 22:07:39 -0400
Source: base-config
Binary: base-config
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Version: 2.39
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Description: 
 base-config - Debian base system configurator
Closes: 261555 263110
Changes: 
 base-config (2.39) unstable; urgency=medium
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   * Matt Kraii
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   * Joey Hess
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Package: base-config
Version: 2.38
Severity: normal

apt-setup should add security.debian.org entries for testing, using the
testing security updates repo there, even though that repo is not really
used currently

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.7
Locale: LANG=3Den_US, LC_CTYPE=3Den_US

Versions of packages base-config depends on:
ii  adduser 3.57 Add and remove users and groups
ii  apt 0.5.26   Advanced front-end for dpkg
ii  bsdutils1:2.12-7 Basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Li=
te
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es
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ic t
ii  gettext-base0.14.1-5 GNU Internationalization utili=
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sarge-ia64-netinst (July 24) installation attempt and failure on DL590/64

[Zan Lynx]

Hi!  I am not sure if this is the proper list or the correct format. 
Any tips on doing this right will be appreciated!

I finally got around to trying the Sarge netinst ISO that I downloaded
July 24.  I made a list of the problems I discovered:

partitioner created ext3 partitions but kernel only supports ext2.
partitioner did not create a FAT partition for elilo.
partitioner cannot create a FAT partition?
base system setup fails because kernel package can't find
/dev/ida/c0d0p1.
rerunning base setup fails because /usr/bin/awk exists and because
/lib/modules/kernel-blah exists.
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Re: Introduction

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 22:08, Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:12, Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> > Google for "Reply-To considered harmful".
> 
> Nevertheless: Smoking is considered harmful, Fat is harmful too,
> Cholesterol is harmful. But, what if the community prefer those
> harmful things?
> 
> It is never my intention to write a private mail to debian-boot.
> What's wrong with one "click" (reply-to) instead of:
> - click reply-to-all
> - cut "Colin Watson" from "To:"
> - cut "debian-boot" from "Cc:" and paste it into "To:".

Personally, I use: CTRL+L to reply to list.

Matter of modifying your preferences and stuff.
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Re: Introduction

[Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim]

On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:12, Colin Watson wrote:

> Google for "Reply-To considered harmful".

Nevertheless: Smoking is considered harmful, Fat is harmful too,
Cholesterol is harmful. But, what if the community prefer those
harmful things?

It is never my intention to write a private mail to debian-boot.
What's wrong with one "click" (reply-to) instead of:
- click reply-to-all
- cut "Colin Watson" from "To:"
- cut "debian-boot" from "Cc:" and paste it into "To:".

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Bug#263110: base-config: debconf-seed script doesn't run because it isn't executable.

[Bruce Perens]

Package: base-config
Version: 2.38
Severity: normal

The debconf-seed feature of base-config doesn't work.
At build time, debian/rules runs

dh_install lib/* usr/lib/base-config/

and that doesn't set the execute permission on any of the scripts.
Thus, the base-config menu system won't run
/usr/lib/base-config/menu/debconf-seed .

Thanks

Bruce


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Bug#263107: debian-installer: can't set up RAID partitions on mac partitions

[Troy Benjegerdes]

Subject: debian-installer: can't set up RAID partitions on mac partitions
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor



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Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.7-powerpc
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Partman should probably provide the option to manually specify a
parition for MD devices mac/bsd partition maps.

I can set the 'Label' to 'Linux RAID Autodetect', but this does not give
the expected behavior.



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PowerPC beta4 Installer

[Matthew A. Nicholson]

I was wondering if you all were aware of the brokenness of the beta4 powerpc 
installer.   Also the 2.6 powerpc installer seems to fail on hardware auto 
detection.
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Re: Automatic allocation of swap

[John Summerfield]

Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 09:21:05AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 

Osamu Aoki wrote:
   

On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 09:04:50PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 

By spreading data over multiple partitions with great gobs of free space  
between small (after install) amounts of data, you're forcing longer seeks.
   

Yes.  We all know this.  Let's not argue over belief.
If you want us to change something, few ways to do this.
1. clear facts (bench mark result of different configurations)
2. reference some authoritative documents.
and patch always help.  Really, I did not say putting swap at the edge
of disk is a good thing.  I was annoyed by calling this "stupid".
Please do not call action of DD stupid even if they are.
 

1. You suppose I'm capable of creating a patch. In fact, my C skills 
almost extend far enough that I can read some code.

2. Belief? It seems so obvious to me, it takes me longer to walk across 
two streets than it does one.

In the 70s I was a systems programmer on working on IBM mainframes 
running OS/VS . One of the tasks we took very seriously was the 
minimising of head movement on our disk drives. So far as I know, the 
laws of physics that describe their behaviour have not been repealed.

3. I've reread what I said. You misquoted me. I described the RULE OF 
THUMB as stupid. I don't believe it originated with the DDs.

However, as a ROT, blind adhearance to ROTs is stupid.
Understand the ROT and you will understand its limitations. I rather 
think that ROT was intended to describe an upper limit. Later 
interpretations, like intermpretations of Murphy's Law deviate from the 
truth.


Here is my desktop pc. It's performance sucks bunnies through capilliary 
tubes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$ /sbin/swapon -s
FilenameTypeSizeUsed
Priority
/var/swapfile   file524280  455604  -1
/var/swapfile2  file524280  69296   -2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$ df -lh
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda3  29G   27G  639M  98% /
   

 ^
 |
 no wonder, sigh.
 

tmpfs 189M 0  189M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1  23M   21M  1.4M  94% /boot
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$
   

...
 

That's almost certainly bad. You probably don't spend much time reading 
program files and documentation in comparison with the time reading and 
writing variable data.
   

I have been reading and editing documentation a lot.  Please install
debian-reference-en package from Sarge :-)  Then you know what.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/reference.en.html
Oh, please read install guide too.  That has good amount of partitioning
etc. too.  

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
 

Well, I was really referring to your (plural - many DDs) computers.
 

You're a software developer writing in C? Would you say, less than a 
second to read gcc then a minute or so for a compile? Sure, it depends, 
but the ratios will be somewhat like those.
   

I usually do not write C nor compile it much.  (With my old 386, I used
to compile my kernel or patched-X for a day, though.)
Really, Linux or Windows, it is bad idea to fill actively used disk up
to 98%.  (For your case / partition.  /boot may be OK since it is
practically read-only.)  For Linux, 90-95%, for windows 60-70% is my
common sense usage.
 

I agree with that. Breaking the disk into lots of partitions makes it 
more likely that one will fill andcause problems. Recently I installed a 
server running Sarge and I find / is overfilled to the point I have 
problems installing packages:
ns:~# df -t ext3 -m
Filesystem   1M-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev2/root2186   176 1 100% /
/dev/sda1   321813  58% /boot
/dev/sda3 3024   692  2179  25% /usr
/dev/sda4 5378  4714   391  93% /var
/dev/sdb117241 12973  3394  80% /home/users
/dev/hda237572 28382  7664  79% /mnt/rhl
/dev/hdb276905 47356 27987  63% 
/mnt/rhl/var/ftp/pub/linux
ns:~#

Cheers,
Osamu
PS: FYI
  None of these habits should be carried over to Linux and ext2. Linux
  native file systems do not need defragmentation under normal use and this
  includes any condition with at least 5% of free space on a disk. There is
  a defragmentation tool for ext2 called defrag, but users are cautioned
  against casual use. .From: Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ 
 http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html
 

I don't know why you're telling me Linux is better than Windows. I've 
never been a regular Windows user: I used to us OS/2, and before that  
MSDOS & DRDOS. (concurrent) CPM/M-86, CP/M,

OT: Automatic allocation of swap

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 12:36:31AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> Really, Linux or Windows, it is bad idea to fill actively used disk up
> to 98%.  (For your case / partition.  /boot may be OK since it is
> practically read-only.)  For Linux, 90-95%, for windows 60-70% is my
> common sense usage.

  Oops.  I am talking upper limit.  My notebook now has:

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5  15G  5.5G  8.3G  40% /
tmpfs 253M 0  253M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda7 4.6G   33M  4.4G   1% /chroot/hda7
/dev/hda8 4.6G   33M  4.4G   1% /chroot/hda8
/dev/hda9 4.6G   33M  4.4G   1% /chroot/hda9
/dev/hda10 11G  2.6G  7.2G  27% /arc (I put backup here)

FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority
/dev/hda6   partition   2048220 0   -1

I am lazy :)


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Re: Automatic allocation of swap

[Osamu Aoki]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 09:21:05AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> Osamu Aoki wrote:
> >On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 09:04:50PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> By spreading data over multiple partitions with great gobs of free space  
> between small (after install) amounts of data, you're forcing longer seeks.

Yes.  We all know this.  Let's not argue over belief.

If you want us to change something, few ways to do this.

 1. clear facts (bench mark result of different configurations)
 2. reference some authoritative documents.
 
and patch always help.  Really, I did not say putting swap at the edge
of disk is a good thing.  I was annoyed by calling this "stupid".

Please do not call action of DD stupid even if they are.

> Here is my desktop pc. It's performance sucks bunnies through capilliary 
> tubes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$ /sbin/swapon -s
> FilenameTypeSizeUsed
> Priority
> /var/swapfile   file524280  455604  -1
> /var/swapfile2  file524280  69296   -2
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$ df -lh
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda3  29G   27G  639M  98% /
  ^
  |
  no wonder, sigh.

> tmpfs 189M 0  189M   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/hda1  23M   21M  1.4M  94% /boot
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/d-i$
...
> That's almost certainly bad. You probably don't spend much time reading 
> program files and documentation in comparison with the time reading and 
> writing variable data.

I have been reading and editing documentation a lot.  Please install
debian-reference-en package from Sarge :-)  Then you know what.

 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/reference.en.html

Oh, please read install guide too.  That has good amount of partitioning
etc. too.  

 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

> You're a software developer writing in C? Would you say, less than a 
> second to read gcc then a minute or so for a compile? Sure, it depends, 
> but the ratios will be somewhat like those.

I usually do not write C nor compile it much.  (With my old 386, I used
to compile my kernel or patched-X for a day, though.)

Really, Linux or Windows, it is bad idea to fill actively used disk up
to 98%.  (For your case / partition.  /boot may be OK since it is
practically read-only.)  For Linux, 90-95%, for windows 60-70% is my
common sense usage.

Cheers,

Osamu

PS: FYI
   None of these habits should be carried over to Linux and ext2. Linux
   native file systems do not need defragmentation under normal use and this
   includes any condition with at least 5% of free space on a disk. There is
   a defragmentation tool for ext2 called defrag, but users are cautioned
   against casual use. .From: Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ 
  http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html

   He advocates 3x RAM for swap.



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Bug#263077: Debian Sarge beta 4: installation-reports

[Morten Tinnesand]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: 2004-07-29 -
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i38
6-netinst.iso
uname -a: Linux debian24 2.4.25-1-386 #2 Wed Apr 14 19:38:08 EST 2004 i586
GNU/Linux
Date: 2004-08-02 - 00:00
Method: Booted off from the installer CD
Install the main applications from the installer CD, and upgraded the rest
of them from Internet. (http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main)
Proxied?>

Machine: Cinet
Processor: Intel Pentium MMX 166 MHz
Memory: 64 MB
Root Device: IDE - /dev/hda1
Root Size/partition table:
Disk /dev/hda: 17.2 GB, 17280442368 bytes
16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 33483 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1   3249016374928+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2   32491   33483  500472f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda5   32491   33483  500440+  82  Linux swap

Disk /dev/hdb: 45.0 GB, 45020602368 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 5473 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdb1   1547343961841   83  Linux

Output of lspci:
:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430HX - 82439HX TXC [Triton II] (rev
03)
:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 ISA [Natoma/Triton II]
(rev 01)
:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II]
:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 USB [Natoma/Triton
II] (rev 01)
:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169
Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
:00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 215CT [Mach64
CT] (rev 09)

Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Reboot: [O]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Comments/Problems:
Reinserted "old" Samba configuration after "cleaning" /dev/hda
After minor adjustments to smb.conf, everything seems to work exellent

The KDE is a little sluggish due to "small" hardware



Yours sincerly


Morten Tinnesand




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Bug#263075: problem with 2.6 netboot and sbp2

[Joey Hess]

Package: linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i

The i386 2.6 netboot initrd has sbp2 on it frm firewire-core-modules,
but not the scsi stuff that depends on. (This is arguably a bug in the
kernel module udebs for not splitting it, or the initrd for not
including scsi). When hw-detect finds that firewire is available, it
loads sbp2 and displays an error when the modprobe fails due to the
missing module. All is well on the second hw-detect run after the
missing modules are loaded. I think the best fix would be to split sbp2
out into its own or a different udeb so it's not on initrds that only
have network drivers.

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Bug#263065: problems with 2.6 and raid

[Joey Hess]

Package: installation-reports
Version: 20040801 d-i release on usb stick with 20040801 netinst iso
Machine: my standard test laptop

Software raid does not seem to work on i386 with the 2.6 kernel. I
booted linux26 and installed sarge, configuring /usr as a 3 gb raid0
array of 3 1 gb partitions. The install went fine, but on reboot I get
this:

md: md driver ..
Starting raid devices:
done.
Checking all file systems...
...
reiserfs_open: the reiserfs superblock cannot be found on /dev/md0.

Failed to open the filesystem.

According to joshk, this is because sarge does not yet have mdadm
1.6.0-1, and the one in sarge has a broken mdrun.

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Re: Introduction

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 04:42:46PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:52:20AM +1000, James Mills wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > > [Please keep further questions on the mailing list, if you would.]
> > >
> > > Shit. Does this list not have an explicit Reply-To header to the mailing
> > > list address either ? THis is the 2nd list I've come across that is
> > > configured this way. My apolagies.
> > 
> > No Debian lists have that; deliberately so.
> 
> Details?
> 
> If it's deliberate, there must be something that breaks with an explicit
> "Reply-To" header worse than not having such a header breaks old
> mailers. 

Google for "Reply-To considered harmful". (There are arguments the other
way round, too; it's a notorious divisive issue that is *really* not
worth rehashing here yet again.)

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Re: Introduction

[Rick Thomas]

Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:52:20AM +1000, James Mills wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > [Please keep further questions on the mailing list, if you would.]
> >
> > Shit. Does this list not have an explicit Reply-To header to the mailing
> > list address either ? THis is the 2nd list I've come across that is
> > configured this way. My apolagies.
> 
> No Debian lists have that; deliberately so.


Details?

If it's deliberate, there must be something that breaks with an explicit
"Reply-To" header worse than not having such a header breaks old
mailers. 

Thanks,

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Bug#263046: confuses lvm and raid partitions

[Joey Hess]

Package: partman
Severity: important
Tags: d-i

Partman seems to get confused about identical sized lvm and raid
partitions. I select one of the raid partitions and it insists on
thinking I told it to set up a lvm partition.

This is probably just because the choice in the list has exactly the
same text: "#1   1.0 GB".

Details: I have only one disk, but as part of testing I split it into 8
1 mb raid partitions, and a lvm array. The lvm was split into some 1 gb
LV's. The raid partitions were used to make some raid 1 and raid 5
arrays, some of which came out to be 1.0 gb in size. The resulting
partition table looks something like this:

LVM VG foo, LV bar - 1.0 GB
#11.0 GB   ext3   /tmp
LVM VG foo, LV baz - 1.0 GB
#11.0 GB
LVM VG foo, LV ook - 1.0 GB
#11.0 GB
RAID1 device #0 - 1.0 GB Software RAID device
#11.0 GB
RAID0 device #1 - 2.0 GB Software RAID device
#12.0 GB   ext3  /usr

If I select the first RAID partition, the next screen says "you are
editing partition #1 of LVM VG foo, LV baz". Note that that partition
has the identical text in the select list.. I guess that something
unique should be added to the LVM and raid parititons to disambiguate.

I have the same problem if I pick LVM LV ook's partition; since it looks
the same as the previous LVM partition.

Note that this would probably also affect identical sized regular
partitions on different drives, if they had the same partition number.

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Re: still no c,h,s

[yazdzik]

Thanks, Joey and Per,

The Function key for special hardware parameters lists it, but does not tell
us that it is not available in 2.6. - may be someone ought to notate it.
Sorry for obsessing upon this issue, but even a few thousand people who feel
they have lost their windows install will make for a bit of ugliness.

Thanks for all the great and hard work.  We leeching free-loading non-coders
really sincerely appreciate it.

Very best wishes,

martin


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> Joey Hess:
> > yazdzik wrote:
> > > expert26 hd=7296,255,63
> >
> > I don't know if that parameter is a kernel boot parameter, or something
> > old and unimplemented left over in the help from the boot-floppies. If
> > the latter, I can remove it..
>
> It's a kernel parameter in 2.4 according to
> Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt. I think the CHS stuff might have
> been removed from 2.6 though.
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Bug#262874: Package: installation-reports

[Joey Hess]

Andrew Miehs wrote:
> Package: installation-reports 
> 
> Debian-installer-version: SARGE BETA 4, 30-AUG-2004 
> uname -a: booted 2.6 kernel 
> Date: 
> Method: CD-ROM Install 
> 
> Machine: Supermicro SuperServer SS5013C-MT 
> Processor: 3.2GHz P4 
> Memory: 2G 
> Root Device: SATA ICH5 
> Root Size/partition table:  
> Output of lspci: 
> 
> Base System Installation Checklist: 
> 
> Initial boot worked:[O] 
> Configure network HW:   [O] 
> Config network: [O] 
> Detect CD:  [O] 
> Load installer modules: [O] 
> Detect hard drives: [E] 
> Partition hard drives:  [ ] 
> Create file systems:[ ] 
> Mount partitions:   [ ] 
> Install base system:[ ] 
> Install boot loader:[ ] 
> Reboot: [ ] 
> [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it 
> 
> Comments/Problems: ICH5 Driver not included in standard kernel. All 
> motherboards seem to have this as their on-board SATA driver nowerdays. 

The ICH5 is supported by the ata_piix driver which is included in
current builds of the installer, though perhaps not beta4, and only if
you boot into the 2.6 kernel with "linux26". If it is not automatically
loaded by a current build then please write back with the lspci and
lspci -n information that you left out of your installation report, so
we can add it to the PCI id database.

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Re: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused

[Turbo Fredriksson]

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I HATE it.  I LIKE..  EMOTIONS are SWEEPING over me!!
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Quoting "SteX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi,
> maybe the link you reported is wrong:
> svn://svn.debian.org:3691/di-i/trunk d-i

Must have been a manual typo. Doing an update now succeeds...

Thanx anyway.
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Bug#259942: d-i dated 2004 07 13 failled to boot on a sparc sunblade 100 (followup)

[Joel Soete]

Hello *,

today I download latest iso:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/sparc/20040801/sarge-sparc-netinst.iso
always failled as previously :(

then
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sid_d-i/sparc/20040801/sarge-sparc-netinst.iso
also failled as previously  too :(

OTC according to this mail 
I updated the obp (with success :) )

And try agian:
- the first one still failed
- but the second one continue :))

And I already browse severall menu with pb execpted that keyboard is very
weird (control key under tab key; ` key in place of backspace; ... and very
strange behaiviour a -> 1, s->2, ...,;->0?) and I hope now that a classical
kbd will help.

hth,
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Bug#262954: INSTALL REPORT

[Dennis Stampfer]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 02:46:31PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * thomas kotzian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-08-02 14:28]:
> > * bug in german language catalog:
> >   "Installation des Debian Grunsystems" -> "Installation des Debian 
> > Grundsystems" (d is missing)
> 
> Seppy, please fix.

this is already fixed.

thanks
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Re: Introduction

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:52:20AM +1000, James Mills wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > [Please keep further questions on the mailing list, if you would.]
> 
> Shit. Does this list not have an explicit Reply-To header to the mailing
> list address either ? THis is the 2nd list I've come across that is
> configured this way. My apolagies.

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Re: modconf maintainance - status and future?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 11:22:57PM +0100, peter green wrote:
> i would leave the code old in the old repostry so the old history is
> preserved

That's what cvs2svn is for ...

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Bug#262954: INSTALL REPORT

[Martin Michlmayr]

* thomas kotzian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-08-02 14:28]:
> * bug in german language catalog:
>   "Installation des Debian Grunsystems" -> "Installation des Debian 
> Grundsystems" (d is missing)

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Bizarre security problem.

[Paul Harper]

I am not very experienced with linux. I have preiously
installed debian using (dare I use the K word) Knoppix
as an installer.

After installing I immediatly install tripwire and
bastille and chkrootkit and poff the internet.

I then, chkrootkit, dpkg-reconfigure tripwire and
InteractiveBastille. I reboot (necessary only for
Bastille. 

My first point of call is www.grc.com to check my
firewall is working correctly. This is where it gets
wierd. With knoppix installed to the hard drive I get
a "True Stealth" response and a pat on the back saying
my common ports don't respond to pings etc.

I did the same with debian sarge netinstalled and I
FAIL the True Stealth test. No long afterwards I
recieve a rootkit! Reinstalling begins.

My network configuration doesn't change whether using
debian Sarge or knoppix-hdinstall.

My question is as knoppix is based on Sarge why am I
getting such a different reponse after setting up
Bastille? I did this two or three times. what am I
doing wrong?

What other info would you need to diagnose this
problem?

Otherwise the new debian installer works for me in
expert mode, once I sussed out how the partitioning
worked. The only annoying thing was it kept asking me
about my pcmcia after I told it no twice! 

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Bug#262954: INSTALL REPORT

[thomas kotzian]

Package: installation-reports
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: sarge-i386-netinst-20040801
uname -a: Linux aluminium 2.6.7-1-386 #1 Thu Jul 8 05:08:04 EDT 2004 
i686 GNU/Linux
Date: 20040802
Method:

How did you install?
- burnt sarge-i386-netinst image from 20040801
- started right from the cd
What did you boot off?
- started with "linux26" on the boot-prompt
If network install, from where?
- network was activated but used after the first reboot.
- initial install from netinst image
Proxied?
- after the the first reboot hand-edited sources.list to use apt-cacher 
on local network.

Machine: Athlon XP 2400+, 1GB RAM, Desktop system
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2400+
Memory: 2x 512 MB DDR-RAM (PC3200) running with 166 MHz
Root Device: IDE: /dev/hda2
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda2   /   reiserfs notail  0   1
/dev/hda1   /boot   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-home_lv /home   reiserfs notail  
0   2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-opt_lv /optreiserfs notail  0 
  2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-srv_lv /srvreiserfs notail  0 
  2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-tmp_lv /tmpreiserfs notail  0 
  2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-usr_lv /usrreiserfs notail  0 
  2
/dev/mapper/system_vg-var_lv /varreiserfs notail  0 
  2
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0
/dev/fd0/media/floppy0  autorw,user,noauto  0   0

Output of lspci and lspci -n:
:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 
AGP] Host Bridge (rev 80)
:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
:00:07.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M 
[Tornado] (rev 74)
:00:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M 
[Tornado] (rev 74)
:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 
PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS

:00:00.0 0600: 1106:3189 (rev 80)
:00:01.0 0604: 1106:b198
:00:07.0 0200: 10b7:9200 (rev 74)
:00:08.0 0200: 10b7:9200 (rev 74)
:00:11.0 0601: 1106:3177
:00:11.1 0101: 1106:0571 (rev 06)
:01:00.0 0300: 1002:5046
Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [ ]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Reboot: [O]
Comments/Problems:
* bug in german language catalog:
  "Installation des Debian Grunsystems" -> "Installation des Debian 
Grundsystems" (d is missing)

* no problems with kernel 2.6 installation
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Bug#262941: no working pppoeconf and pppoe

[Andre Felipe Machado]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: 
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo 
01aug2004
Date: 01Aug2004
Method: boot from cd. linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium

Machine: AMD from local systems integrator
Processor: AMD Athlon 2.4+ 
Memory: 512 MB ram
Root Device: IDE 40 GB 7200 rpm
Root Size/partition table: 
hda1   / 3.2 GB
hda5  not mounted (another distro) 36.8 GB
hdd1 swap 540 MB


Output of lspci:
This is the output of hw summary

info: /bin/report-hw: discover: ;;;Unknown;HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B;/dev/hdb
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: via-rhine;;;VIA Technologies, Inc.;VT6105 
[Rhine-III];
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: ide-scsi;;;Linux;IDE-SCSI emulation layer;
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: usb-ohci;;;Silicon Integrated Systems 
(SiS);USB 1.0 Controller;
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: usb-ohci;;;Silicon Integrated Systems 
(SiS);USB 1.0 Controller;
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: ;;;Unknown;QUANTUM FIREBALL540A;/dev/hdd
info: /bin/report-hw: discover: ;;;Unknown;SAMSUNG SP4002H;/dev/hda
error: /bin/report-hw: Unable to find lspci.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: PCI devices found:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems 
[SiS] 745 Host (rev 1).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=32.  
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xe800 [0xebff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   1, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems 
[SiS] SiS 530 Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP) (rev 0).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=8.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   2, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems 
[SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge) (rev 0).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   2, function  2:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: USB Controller: Silicon Integrated 
Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 7).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 5.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=32.  Max 
Lat=80.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xe680 [0xe6800fff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   2, function  3:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: USB Controller: Silicon Integrated 
Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2) (rev 7).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 9.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=32.  Max 
Lat=80.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xe600 [0xe6000fff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   2, function  5:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems 
[SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 208).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=128.  
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   I/O at 0xd800 [0xd80f].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device   5, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: Multimedia audio controller: C-Media 
Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 16).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 10.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=32.  Min 
Gnt=2.Max Lat=24.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   I/O at 0xb000 [0xb0ff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device  11, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: Modem: PCTel Inc HSP MicroModem 56 (rev 
2).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 5.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   I/O at 0xa800 [0xa83f].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  0, device  12, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, 
Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 134).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 5.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=32.  Min 
Gnt=3.Max Lat=8.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   I/O at 0xa400 [0xa4ff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xe580 [0xe58000ff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Bus  1, device   0, function  0:
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci: VGA compatible controller: nVidia 
Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev 163).
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   IRQ 11.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min 
Gnt=5.Max Lat=1.
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xe700 [0xe7ff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xf000 [0xf7ff].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/pci:   Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 
0xef80 [0xef87].
info: /bin/report-hw: /proc/bus/pci/devices:    103907450   
e800

Re: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused

[SteX]

Hi,
>
>PS: How large is the entire d-i repository when checked out ?
>

about 195 Megs.

See ya

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Re: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused

[James Mills]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 12:37:29PM +0200, SteX wrote:
> Hi,
> maybe the link you reported is wrong:
> svn://svn.debian.org:3691/di-i/trunk d-i
>   ^^

I noted this typo or mistake and fixed it myself when checking it
out...

cheers
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Re: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused

[SteX]

Hi,
maybe the link you reported is wrong:
svn://svn.debian.org:3691/di-i/trunk d-i
  ^^
it should be:
svn://svn.debian.org:3691/d-i/trunk d-i
and the anonymous command is either:

svn co svn://svn.debian.org:3691/d-i/trunk d-i

or

svn co svn://svn.debian.org:3691/d-i/trunk debian-installer

Thanks

SteX

>
>On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 08:53:18AM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
>> > What's the URL to check it out ? I'll try from here...
>>
>> svn://svn.debian.org:3691/di-i/trunk d-i
>
>This works.
>
>cheers
>James
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Re: debian-boot

[John Summerfield]

I thought this:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1720438319-1091437058=:65424"
fails Debian list guidelines.



Not quite, it's HTML that's banned.
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

I note too that English is mandated and that implies 8-bit character sets.

Do others think a bug report is in order?



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Re: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused

[James Mills]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 08:53:18AM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> > What's the URL to check it out ? I'll try from here...
> 
> svn://svn.debian.org:3691/di-i/trunk d-i

This works.

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