Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
Le Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:41:00AM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : On mar., 2013-10-08 at 23:54 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 08.10.2013 15:02, schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: I still don' think having gnome-control-center installed on Debian Xfce (or any !gnome) installations is a good idea, to be honest. I personally use network-manager-gnome nm-applet under Xfce because it doesn't actually needs GNOME bits, so imho either the gnome-bluetooth recommends should be dropped from network-manager-gnome, or the gnome-control-center one dropped from gnome-bluetooth. Both recommends are there for a reason. gnome-bluetooth relies heavily on gnome-control-center when you try to pair / manage devices and network-manager-applet relies on gnome-bluetooth for DUN and PAN connections. So no, I don't see those recommends go away. Then we should make tasksel stop installing recommends. Or maybe I should add a conflict in task-xfce-desktop (although I'm not so sure it works fine). It looks like that the problem is that when two desktop systems are installed, the one that pops up by default is not necessarly the one that the user wanted. If we can assume that the user is not bothered that GNOME packages are installed on the system despite they are not used, then the solution would be to ensure that if the task-xfce-desktop is the only desktop task installed, then the then the login managers should recogise it and propose XFCE a a default ? (dpkg triggers might help here.) Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009061615.ga9...@falafel.plessy.net
Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
On mer., 2013-10-09 at 15:16 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: It looks like that the problem is that when two desktop systems are installed, the one that pops up by default is not necessarly the one that the user wanted. That's a point, althought alternatives can be used here. If we can assume that the user is not bothered that GNOME packages are installed on the system despite they are not used, That's wrong actually. Packages can modify system behavior when they're installed without the user knowing, and they sure can be bothered. Especially here, the major point is that no GNOME packages should be implicitly installed, only explicit dependencies should be added, imho. Regards, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: 2 debian-installer uploads this week?!
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org): Hi folks, you aren't crazy (or maybe you are, given the mailing lists you're reading, but that's another topic), I'm considering 2 uploads this week! d-i → sid = It's been a while since I've been wanting to upload d-i to unstable, but I failed to look into it until now. I thought it would be nice to have I'm all for this. I did my best (and worst) to upload nearly any pending change from our git trees, in order to give things a chance to get tested as early as possible. That had the disadvantage to lead to some breakagesbut also to allow discovering the worst things as early as possible. Doing a release also helps in that. We even have a quite good localization status, with 20 complete languages even though more and more teams are more and more inactive, sadly. The only nasty thing I see is the netcfg FTBFS problem. I would maybe like to get more speedup changes from Thiemo Nagel for partman-crypto and friends but I'munsure if I'll have time to work on that and sort out what is ready to be committed and what is not. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
Hi, On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 23:54 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Both recommends are there for a reason. gnome-bluetooth relies heavily on gnome-control-center when you try to pair / manage devices and network-manager-applet relies on gnome-bluetooth for DUN and PAN connections. So no, I don't see those recommends go away. According to policy, The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Is it really unusual to use Network Manager without bluetooth? Doesn't most people use Network Manager to connect to wifi and ethernet? -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009082910.gc8...@dsv.su.se
Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
On 09/10/13 10:29, Per Olofsson wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 23:54 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Both recommends are there for a reason. gnome-bluetooth relies heavily on gnome-control-center when you try to pair / manage devices and network-manager-applet relies on gnome-bluetooth for DUN and PAN connections. So no, I don't see those recommends go away. According to policy, The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Is it really unusual to use Network Manager without bluetooth? Doesn't most people use Network Manager to connect to wifi and ethernet? So what? This is just a recommends, you can install NM without gnome-bluetooth if you so desire. But in the general case, we want users to also get PAN/DUN support, so recommends is very appropriate. I have dropped the gnome-session recommends from gnome-control-center, isn't that enough to stop all of gnome from being installed when xfce is selected in tasksel? Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525518c6.1080...@debian.org
Bug#725811: debian-installer: graphical installer: run debconf under dbus-run-session(1)
On 08/10/13 21:39, Samuel Thibault wrote: Simon McVittie, le Tue 08 Oct 2013 17:51:52 +0100, a écrit : The other way to put processes in a D-Bus session is to start them with DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in their environment, having first run a dbus-daemon and told it to write its address into a pipe. dbus-run-session does that in C. Here is an older shell-script implementation which you might find a useful reference: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/telepathy/telepathy-glib/tree/tools/with-session-bus.sh?h=telepathy-glib-0.22 That will probably be easier to do it that way. OK, if you do that (either in shell or C), I'll be able to remove both dbus-launch and dbus-run-session from dbus-udeb. You might find this a useful reference: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/tools/dbus-run-session.c dbus-udeb is currently in NEW, but I've uploaded a copy here: http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/~smcv/20131009dbus/ Regards, S -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5255250a.2090...@debian.org
Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
On mer., 2013-10-09 at 10:50 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: On 09/10/13 10:29, Per Olofsson wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 23:54 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Both recommends are there for a reason. gnome-bluetooth relies heavily on gnome-control-center when you try to pair / manage devices and network-manager-applet relies on gnome-bluetooth for DUN and PAN connections. So no, I don't see those recommends go away. According to policy, The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Is it really unusual to use Network Manager without bluetooth? Doesn't most people use Network Manager to connect to wifi and ethernet? So what? This is just a recommends, you can install NM without gnome-bluetooth if you so desire. But in the general case, we want users to also get PAN/DUN support, so recommends is very appropriate. This is not the general case. This is the installation, where the tasks maintainers have selected a package set which fits a specific intent. In Xfce case, we're ok to have network-manager, we then accept network-manager-gnome because there's no other GTK+ NM client than nm-applet, but that's all. We don't really need gnome-bluetooth (although I think we'd be fine with it) and we definitely don't need gnome-control-center. Also, I have no idea how well behaved gnome-bluetooth is when not running under GNOME. I have dropped the gnome-session recommends from gnome-control-center, isn't that enough to stop all of gnome from being installed when xfce is selected in tasksel? No, see above. Regards, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 10:29:10AM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 23:54 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Both recommends are there for a reason. gnome-bluetooth relies heavily on gnome-control-center when you try to pair / manage devices and network-manager-applet relies on gnome-bluetooth for DUN and PAN connections. So no, I don't see those recommends go away. According to policy, The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Is it really unusual to use Network Manager without bluetooth? Doesn't most people use Network Manager to connect to wifi and ethernet? I certainly use xfce and the network manager, and I've even shut bluetooth off in the BIOS. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009151628.gb...@topoi.pooq.com
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Bug#652946: marked as done (partman-target should not create /var/run)
Your message dated Wed, 09 Oct 2013 17:03:26 + with message-id e1vtxau-0008dx...@franck.debian.org and subject line Bug#652946: fixed in partman-target 87 has caused the Debian Bug report #652946, regarding partman-target should not create /var/run to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact ow...@bugs.debian.org immediately.) -- 652946: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652946 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems ---BeginMessage--- Package: live-installer Version: 34 Severity: normal Hello, after building a live image with live-build using the daily wheezy/sid installer and installed the image to disk crontab and postfix failed to start (this is a debian wheezy/testing image). The problem was a missing /var/spool directory in the installed system, that live-installer did not copy to disk. While the installer copies the files in /live/filesystem.squashfs I've opened tty2 and confirmed that /var/spool is in the image ls /mnt/var/spool and is polulated. But after copying the files to disk, still in the installer, /var/spool does not exist. ls /target/var/spool After install /var/spool does not exist. This breaks crontab and probably all other packages that expect a /var/spool directory. To fix (only) the crontab error, recreate the /var/spool directory in the installed system after 1st boot: sudo mkdir /var/spool I also had postfix in the image, but this one requires one to recreate its directory in /var/spool, not just /var/spool: sudo mkdir -p /var/spool/postfix Samba is another package that might break (not confirmed). -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.1.0-1-686-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=pt_PT.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Source: partman-target Source-Version: 87 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of partman-target, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive. A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is attached. Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you have further comments please address them to 652...@bugs.debian.org, and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate. Debian distribution maintenance software pp. Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org (supplier of updated partman-target package) (This message was generated automatically at their request; if you believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:02:24 +0200 Source: partman-target Binary: partman-target Architecture: source all Version: 87 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team debian-boot@lists.debian.org Changed-By: Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org Description: partman-target - Provides partman with ability to prepare /target (udeb) Closes: 652946 Changes: partman-target (87) unstable; urgency=low . [ Raphaël Hertzog ] * Do not create /var/run and /var/lock directories in /target. Nowadays those are supposed to be symlinks and their existence hurts more than helps. Closes: #652946 Thanks to Rui Bernardo and Michael Tokarev for the investigations. . [ Updated translations ] * Polish (pl.po) by Michał Kułach Checksums-Sha1: 5a71bf5a13b2e81648f48ed3ccd835e407eeae99 1696 partman-target_87.dsc a4f913798cab3236b5693a58ac449ee97d71bac2 149132 partman-target_87.tar.gz 21c43ed3f9185f5fb92cf95db0ac852d11fa88ef 121676 partman-target_87_all.udeb Checksums-Sha256: 171d0fa5633277e62d3e8691cf91df8ea93570ad93abb1c75626189c05f34da6 1696 partman-target_87.dsc 3d2fc67ff98b94a6b2ccf4aa3995396d115221f357beb86b9f2d889103a1b539 149132 partman-target_87.tar.gz fb7af0acc12bf0f25de44a8587d2d1d86c881cda7a498b56157b3370a0447e17 121676 partman-target_87_all.udeb Files: b0fac732e61cc2ea22c9037dc3c46ec7 1696 debian-installer standard partman-target_87.dsc 7b0f6151a517f052c6ad57de515d7561 149132 debian-installer standard partman-target_87.tar.gz 5c676504c70d6946f5f01221c4b39384 121676 debian-installer standard partman-target_87_all.udeb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBUlWHD4cvcCxNbiWoAQKToA//UFZQ/3bog/u8JvKdp2Pi+XSEgx2hGEvw 5g5rCYzqBZ7gmq3B5uVkCdiRQXKR4OUqA7Mkjh6s4lZ/E5Sf+uwlMOLrcY2Sy8xW
partman-target_87_i386.changes ACCEPTED into unstable
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Bug#718855: [Pkg-xfce-devel] network-manager-gnome - full gnome recommends chain
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:51:11PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: This is not the general case. This is the installation, where the tasks maintainers have selected a package set which fits a specific intent. In Xfce case, we're ok to have network-manager, we then accept network-manager-gnome because there's no other GTK+ NM client than nm-applet, but that's all. We don't really need gnome-bluetooth (although I think we'd be fine with it) and we definitely don't need gnome-control-center. Also, I have no idea how well behaved gnome-bluetooth is when not running under GNOME. It's probably only then not well-behaved when gnome-control-center is missing. (Because really, that's where the pairing is.) Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#725915: Installation Report-- Install glitch-keeps looping the install
Control: reassign -1 installation-reports Trying to rewrap properly below. Mraw, KiBi. ecuado...@reagan.com ecuado...@reagan.com (2013-10-09): Package: installation-reports My Name: Myrna email: ecuado...@reagan.com Boot method: network: via website http://goodbye-windows.com. Image version: see above and 6.0.7 Date: 9 October 2013 at 12 noon central time and repeated at about 4:30 same afternoon Machine: custom build from Puget systems: ACPIx64 based. Processor: Intel i7 3.1ghz quad core Memory: 16mb Partitions: drives C, E, and R are windows. The 6 debian volumes are located on the back half of the drive containing E, not primary . The first 6 volumes are from the debian installation partitioning process: 5=root 6=/usr 7=/var 8=swap 9=tmp 10=home scsi12 (0,0,0) sdb ext 4 Base System Installation Checklist:[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot: [0 ] Detect network card:[ 0] Configure network: [ 0] Detect CD: [ 0] Load installer modules: [ 0] Detect hard drives: [ 0] Partition hard drives: [ 0] Install base system:[ 0] Clock/timezone setup: [ 0] User/password setup:[ 0] Install tasks: [ 0] Install boot loader:[ 0] Overall install:[e ] Comments/Problems:I used jigdo to download the first few debian CDs for 6.0.7 stable version but there were 2 problems: one the disk wouldn't boot and so when I used setup.exe the 3rd screen said the win32-loader.ini file could not be found. However, that file is easily seen just below the setup.exe file. So why is the ini file not being recognized. Then I went to goodbye-windows.com with the hope of getting the win32-loader file thinking I could point it to the cd to complete the installation. Unfortunately, the loader file at the site was connected to the entire install. So I went with it.twice, with the same outcome both timesthe install seemed to go without problem all the way to the point of rebooting after the install had completed. Upon reboot grub showed only 2 lines—one for the win7 install and the other said: debian/linux –complete installation . The system just begins the installation process again. I can get to the install menu and step through any step near the end of the install process but the system takes me back to the beginning of the install.I am going back into the install and checking the logs tonight but am hoping there is a fix.Should I instead NOT use grub? In the win 7 bios I left the boot option as both legacy and UEFI. I know other machines do not have that option-those machines must select legacy only. Should I have changed that to only legacy? It is after the fact but I shall give that a try. Does the install need to be on the first part of the drive? It isn't currently. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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