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Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid

2015-07-26 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Kenshi Muto (km...@debian.org):

 Step:
 1. Modify fonts-android to provide fonts-android-udeb which has only
DroidSansFallback.ttf.
patch:  http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/fonts-android.diff


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Bug#762054: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#762054: d-i.debian.org: investigate ttf-* vs. fonts-* for udebs?

2015-07-26 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org):
 Hi Fabian,
 
 Fabian Greffrath fab...@debian.org (2015-07-10):
  Hi Cyril,
  
  Am Freitag, den 10.07.2015, 04:07 +0200 schrieb Cyril Brulebois:
   fonts-dejavu and fonts-freefont maintainers, do you concur?
   This would post-alpha 1.
  
  speaking as an Uplaoder for both fonts-freefont and fonts-dejavu, I'd
  concur that it should be safe and even recommended to switch to the new
  font packages and use the new package naming scheme.
 
 Many thanks for the swift reply+confirmation!

I had this mail lying around in my TODO list and nwo I'm mostly ready
to give this a try.

Guys, do you think we want to manage a transition for, say
ttf-freefont-udeb-fonts-freefont-udeb (with transitional package,
etc. as we did for the ttf-fonts transitions)or will we just
replace the package (given that only the installer is using the udeb)
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Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid

2015-07-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:26:02PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote:
...
 
 Cons:
  - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd.
jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694
Presumably there's a typo here -- this is a tenfold increase!

 hd-media/gtk/initrd.gz: 27747025 - 30340894
 netboot/gtk/initrd.gz: 34425758 - 37539446
 netboot/gtk/mini.iso: 49283072 - 52428800
  - Some Japanese characters look bit funny.
(I believe it is negligible for installer.)


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proofreading the installation-guide

2015-07-26 Thread Justin B Rye
A month ago in #789604, Justin B Rye wrote:
 Hmm, well, I've never proofread the installation-guide as a whole.  I
 ought to get round to doing that some time.

I'm trying to work out where I'd start with this.  I can see things
that need fixing, but they fall into several different categories and
I don't know if it makes sense to try to deal with all of them at
once.

 * * *

First, the deep-rooted termininological issues that I'd prefer to have
sane answers for before I start fiddling with details:

 * why is there so little mention of BD media?  It seems to me that we
should almost never say CDs and DVDs; we should settle on a
cover-term like optical media and always use that.  The one
time it does mention BD-ROMS it claims that it's going to
use CD-ROMs as a cover-term... but then it doesn't.
 * D-I seems to have standardised on the term MD devices, expanding
MD as Multidisk Device (what, so they're Multidisk Device
devices?); but officially md stands for Multiple Device.
Besides, if what we're talking about is in fact a software
RAID array, why don't we just call it that?
 * is there any hope of getting rid of the crazy backwards jargon of
low priority installs?  When you ask for Expert mode, you
aren't lowering the priority of the install (i.e. declaring it
less urgent); you aren't even lowering the priority of the
questions it asks.  What you're doing is lowering the amount
of filtering-by-priority applied to debconf prompts - or to
put that another way, you're asking for a low *simplification*
install.

(Perhaps I should make these three separate bugreports?)

 * * *

Second, questions specific to the installation-guide's docbook, which
again it would be nice to have answers for before I start trying to
produce patches.  (In fact, maybe the answers are or should be in a
README somewhere?)

 * Structure - some of the XML files seem to be unused relics, but
it's hard to tell which...
 * tag questions - e.g.: command is used fairly consistently for
executables (like grub), and classinfo for some reason marks
Debian packages (like grub-pc), but what do we do with GRUB?
 * Should all titles be titlecase?  Could we switch to sentencecase?
 * entity questions - when am I meant to say Debian and when is it
debian;?  This like many of these entities seems to have no
obvious function other than to make the source harder to
interpret...
 * The d-i; entity expands to debian-installer in bold verbatim
lowercase.  If that is in effect the brandname of the software
project then presumably we shouldn't be talking about the
d-i; - that ought to be the Debian installer.

 * * *

Third, the various categories of routine maintenance:

 * Decobwebbing - all those examples of tiny IDE hard drives with ext3
file systems.
 * systemd-proofing - stuff about initscripts, /etc/inittab, eth0.
 * When do we say APT, when is it apt-get/aptitude/apt?
 * Non-native-English-speakerisms - the usual objectless allows and
Teutonic respectivelies, plus one that's especially common in
D-I: yes, CDs are (installation) media, but one CD isn't a
medium.
 * All those references to dhcp and ram and ips.
 * All those OldWorld PowerMacs (canonically four words).
 * Standardi[sz]ation issues (mostly behaviour).
 * General phrasing upgrades (mostly to reduce repetition).
 * Optional-extra house style tweaks like adding Harvard commas.

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Re: proofreading the installation-guide

2015-07-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 01:15:18PM +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:

  * entity questions - when am I meant to say Debian and when is it
   debian;?  This like many of these entities seems to have no
   obvious function other than to make the source harder to
   interpret...
  * The d-i; entity expands to debian-installer in bold verbatim
   lowercase.  If that is in effect the brandname of the software
   project then presumably we shouldn't be talking about the
   d-i; - that ought to be the Debian installer.

Presumably both of these parametrisations are for the convenience of 
Debian derivatives and forks.  By making these macros, it's easier for 
the, and it'll be easier for us to merge downstream patches.

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Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid

2015-07-26 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Kenshi Muto (km...@debian.org):

 2. After fonts-android-udeb is installed to the mirror,
Modify d-i/installer to use fonts-droid-udeb instead of 
 ttf-cjk-compact-udeb.
patch:  http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/installer.diff

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Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid

2015-07-26 Thread Kenshi Muto
At Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:07:36 -0400,
Hendrik Boom wrote:
  Cons:
   - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd.
 jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694
 Presumably there's a typo here -- this is a tenfold increase!

oops, it was typo. - 28153694.

Anyway thanks bubulle, for updating fonts-droid.

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Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid

2015-07-26 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi,

 It's better than maitain ttf-cjk-compact for me at least.
 I'll work (add udeb) for it if you say go for it as a memeber
 of pkg-font-devel, so please add wishlist bug for package.

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Re: proofreading the installation-guide

2015-07-26 Thread Justin B Rye
Hendrik Boom wrote:
 Justin B Rye wrote:
  * entity questions - when am I meant to say Debian and when is it
  debian;?  This like many of these entities seems to have no
  obvious function other than to make the source harder to
  interpret...
  * The d-i; entity expands to debian-installer in bold verbatim
  lowercase.  If that is in effect the brandname of the software
  project then presumably we shouldn't be talking about the
  d-i; - that ought to be the Debian installer.
 
 Presumably both of these parametrisations are for the convenience of 
 Debian derivatives and forks.  By making these macros, it's easier for 
 the, and it'll be easier for us to merge downstream patches.

An interesting idea, but one that seems unlikely to work, especially
given the way it's used in the text.  For instance, there's a page
welcome/what-is-debian-linux.xml, which is full of sentences like
debian; was the first Linux distribution to include a package
management system.

And I can't see any particular pattern in when it's Debian
installer, when it's debian; installer, and when it's d-i;.

The debian-gnu; entity is effectively just shorthand for Debian
GNU/arch-kernel; - confusing but handy.  The architecture;,
arch-title; and arch-kernel; entities are slightly oddly named
but make sense as parametrisations, as do release; and
releasename; as long as they're used for things that stay true for
every release.  (Oh, and I've just noticed there's a
releasename-cap;, used instead of plain releasename; for no
obvious reason in hardware/supported/arm.xml and nowhere else.)

But there are also special entities for enterkey;, escapekey;,
tabkey;, f10key;, and even ekey;!  Most of these are only
used once each - the rest of the time (and always for keys like F2
or space) it just uses keycap.../keycap.
-- 
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package


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Re: proofreading the installation-guide

2015-07-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:37:45PM +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:
 Hendrik Boom wrote:
  Justin B Rye wrote:
   * entity questions - when am I meant to say Debian and when is it
 debian;?  This like many of these entities seems to have no
 obvious function other than to make the source harder to
 interpret...
   * The d-i; entity expands to debian-installer in bold verbatim
 lowercase.  If that is in effect the brandname of the software
 project then presumably we shouldn't be talking about the
 d-i; - that ought to be the Debian installer.
  
  Presumably both of these parametrisations are for the convenience of 
  Debian derivatives and forks.  By making these macros, it's easier for 
  the, and it'll be easier for us to merge downstream patches.
 
 An interesting idea, but one that seems unlikely to work, especially
 given the way it's used in the text.  For instance, there's a page
 welcome/what-is-debian-linux.xml, which is full of sentences like
 debian; was the first Linux distribution to include a package
 management system.

It makes me wonder whether this was originally the intention, but has 
become lost as generations of editors failed to follow up on it.

-- hendrik


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Re: Sparc removal

2015-07-26 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Joerg Jaspert (jo...@debian.org):
 Hi,
 
 following the last[1] announce, I just removed sparc from
 
 unstable
 experimental
 jessie-updates

.../...

As a consequence, should we keep sparc-only packages -I know about
silo-installer at least) in trunk or should they be moved to the
attic?

The same stands for the installation guide specific parts as
well. These things are not things I have followed closely over the
years, though, so there may be good reasons to still keep Sparc-only
components in our main tree.





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