Bug#451380: tasksel-data: Please stop installing acpi-support and hibernate (in the laptop/desktop task)
Hi STeve, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 02:47:34PM +0100, Bart Samwel wrote: doing the same for Ubuntu. I think we're all agreed that the resume/suspend code should come out of acpi-support, it's just a question of doing the work to make it go away gracefully. [Adding Matthew to the CC list.] Migrating the quirks might be a bitch. And of course there's the fact that pretty much all of acpi-support is configuration files, so it's pretty easy to break *someone's* system when you remove the suspend support. :-/ but I'll then adapt that so that it translates them into pm-utils calls or some such. Sorry, what do you mean? Currently, /etc/acpi/hibernatebtn.sh just generates 'acpi_fakekey $KEY_SUSPEND' - surely that's appropriately generic for all purposes, and doing anything that's more directly tied to pm-utils would be a regression? Yeah, it should be "some such" rather than "pm-utils calls". :-) I find it interesting that this generates a suspend button and not a hibernate button. Maybe the key code is a misnomer? Hmmm I'm not at my own PC so I can't check it right now. I would suggest at least to remove hibernate from the equation. acpi-support provides hibernation and suspend itself, and maps the hibernate/suspend keys to its own hibernate and suspend support. It does not use hibernate. Well, unless you tell it to -- but that option is only available in version 0.105-1, which is pending upload. Ok, on closer look I do see that /etc/acpi/events/sleepbtn points at /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, unlike the various "hibernate" buttons which just generate a keypress... I'm not sure why that inconsistency exists in the first place? Matthew can probably tell you more about this, but I guess this is so that suspend works always, and not only when you're not running gnome-power-manager or a similar power management daemon. In these situations, acpi-support usually takes the approach of generating a key press if gnome-power-manager or klaptopdaemon are running, and DIY if they aren't. It's probably wrong if it doesn't do that in this particular case -- but there may have been some reason. Matthew? Cheers, Bart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#471172: Please add nvclock and toshset to laptop task
On Sun, March 16, 2008 14:37, Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Bart Samwel wrote: >> The acpi-support package has received numerous requests (see #410918, >> #434566, #457387, #438665, #445900) to move nvclock and toshset from the >> Depends list to the Recommends list. As these packages are actually >> required to make specific laptops function (and the goal of the >> acpi-support package is to make all laptops "just work"), this is only >> possible if these packages are installed by default by the laptop task. >> When this is done, acpi-support will move these dependencies to the >> Recommends list, so that people may remove these packages at will. > > This should preferably not be done in the laptop task, but in the "new" > discover, which supports installing packages based on specific PCI IDs. > > Help to get that in a state where it can be used by default in > installations would be much appreciated. I appreciate your concern over this. When the "new" discover is up for it, of course I wouldn't mind dropping them again from the laptop task. But until that time, I'd like them to be included in the laptop task, just so that I can make acpi-support a little bit more sane. And to make *support* of acpi-support a little bit more sane as well: I'm getting a new request to reduce the dependencies about once a month, and purely defending the fact that I'm not fixing it has taken up more time than you can imagine. Regarding help with the "discover" package: normally I would love to help, but I'm already submerged up to my ears in work right now. And I'm expecting to become a dad somewhere in the next two weeks, so I don't think it will get any better any time soon. :-) Cheers, Bart
Bug#451380: tasksel-data: Please stop installing acpi-support and hibernate (in the laptop/desktop task)
Hi people, I just want to add my EUR 0.02 to this discussion. It wouldn't really work if acpi-support was removed from the laptop task, as pm-utils doesn't handle the keyboard things AFAIK. I wouldn't mind removing the suspend/hibernate stuff from acpi-support though, if there is consensus that this should be handled by pm-utils or some other framework. In that case I'll just rip the whole thing out. What I'll have to keep is the stuff that handles suspend/hibernate keys, but I'll then adapt that so that it translates them into pm-utils calls or some such. I would suggest at least to remove hibernate from the equation. acpi-support provides hibernation and suspend itself, and maps the hibernate/suspend keys to its own hibernate and suspend support. It does not use hibernate. Well, unless you tell it to -- but that option is only available in version 0.105-1, which is pending upload. Cheers, Bart
Bug#471172: Please add nvclock and toshset to laptop task
Package: tasksel-data Version: 2.73-1 Severity: normal Tags: patch Hi there, The acpi-support package has received numerous requests (see #410918, #434566, #457387, #438665, #445900) to move nvclock and toshset from the Depends list to the Recommends list. As these packages are actually required to make specific laptops function (and the goal of the acpi-support package is to make all laptops "just work"), this is only possible if these packages are installed by default by the laptop task. When this is done, acpi-support will move these dependencies to the Recommends list, so that people may remove these packages at will. A patch is attached. Cheers, Bart--- tasks/laptop-old 2008-03-16 15:00:35.0 +0100 +++ tasks/laptop 2008-03-16 15:12:56.0 +0100 @@ -14,6 +14,11 @@ apmd acpi acpi-support +# nvclock and toshset are Recommended by acpi-support, but should be installed +# by the laptop task because they are needed to make nv and toshset laptops +# "just work". + nvclock + toshset pcmciautils wireless-tools wpasupplicant
