Re: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]

[Brian Morris]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Rick Thomas  wrote:

>
>
> This bug is still present in the "Thu Jan 14 16:08:46 UTC 2010"
> businesscard CD downloaded from
>
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/
>
> So far as I can tell, this bug has not been looked at by the
> debian-installer folks.
>
> Is PowerPC simply so unimportant that resources cannot be spared to even
> *look* at a problem that renders the installer unusable on that hardware?
>
>
> From my experience

a) there is little point to the business card image. The netinstall is the
good option.

b) daily builds are not necessarily supposed to work they are just for
developers to share and try out ideas with.

c) try the weekly builds,

d) try testing, do a basic install and add unstable items with testing
preferred. Unstable is not guaranteed to do anything except that (do I have
this exactly right) certain very severe bugs cause it to reject moving to
testing, after a short period of time the item either moves to testing or to
experimental or nothing (in that particular version).

I am no DD I have just listened to the lists for a few years.

Brian

Bug#381258: Acknowledgement (install report etchbeta)

[Brian Morris]

hi, i wish to add another block of comment.

concerning laptop task and power management utilities.

the installer identified my machine correctly as a laptop
and i allowed it to install this task.

it installed two utilities i have never seen on my mac
laptops and it left out the two i am used to see.

the two unfamiliar, unexpected were hibernate and apm-emulate.

the two missing were pmud and pbbuttonsd (there are more besides
too i think that support these).

another reason why i would have to not trust this installer.

if there is a plan to be changing these utilities i should have
been informed some way as i am running an etch system upgradeded
from sarge as well as subscribing to the debian-powerpc mailing list.

___

also, to clarify "minor damage to my macos partitions continues"

in the previous version i tested two weeks ago there was damage
to the driver partitions as well as the boot blocks of the macos
partitions. this time, only the driver partitions were affected.
apparently, the macos9 drivers were removed, or the drivers
were rewritten as if without the option "macos9 drivers" if i were
using macosX.

thank you for your attention

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Bug#381258: install report etchbeta

[Brian Morris]

Package: installation-reportsINSTALL REPORTDebian-installer-version:  | Netinstall.iso debian.org 8/1/06uname -a: 
Date: | Tuesday 8/1/06, approx 4-6 pm PDTMethod: How did you install?  What did you boot off?  If network  install, from where?  Proxied?| CD Boot, network install at library public WAP, no proxie
| note : i told installer to take slice off my /home partition = OKMachine: | powerpc pismo powerbook3,1 Processor:| ppc7410, altivec (apple upgrade)
Memory: 576 MBRoot Device:  | ide, hdaRoot Size/partition table:  Feel free to paste the full partition  table, with notes on which partitions are mounted where.
| see notesOutput of lspci and lspci -n:| see notesBase System Installation Checklist:[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try itInitial boot worked:    [0 ]Configure network HW:   [0 ]
Config network: [ ]Detect CD:  [0 ]Load installer modules: [0 ]Detect hard drives: [0 ]Partition hard drives:  [ ]Create file systems:    [ ]Mount partitions:   [ ]
Install base system:    [ ]Install boot loader:    [0]Reboot: [0]Comments/Problems:  and ideas you had during the initial install.>
IMHO: "standard" install is too big a gap with desktop. installation guidedescribes two intermediate tasks: "work console", "developer" --where are they ? these just happen to be my purposes.
lspci command needs to be installed manually via package "pciutils". also partedis missing: perhaps both are in the di-utils packages, get erased ???  againxorg install fails from "standard", although it worked after i copied the 
xorg.cfgfile from my sarge upgrade i saved this time. i was tempted to try and build up this system further but after sleeping on it i decided it was too risky.starting up the computer, i tried to apt-get parted and the mirror was unavailable.
the installer had not given me option to set up an alternate mirror, so i zapped mypram/nvram and went back to my old system.installer continues to inflict minor damages upon my macos (both X and classic)
partitions, fixable but a pain and worrisome. sarge never did this.if i were given a machine with a clean/wiped disk drive to install debian etch,at this point i would continue the method of install sarge first and test, then
upgrade to etch, as the most reliable method. as the installation guide tellsus that is an established method.

Bug#381257: EtchBeta3 attempted installation report

[Brian Morris]

Package: installation-reportsINSTALL REPORTDebian-installer-version:  | Netinstall.iso debian.org 8/1/06uname -a: 
Date:  | Tuesday 8/1/06Method: How did you install?  What did you boot off?  If network  install, from where?  Proxied? | Using bootx, copied vmlinux and initrd from cd, tried several versions
of macos 8.1/6,9.1/2 with minimal extension, both bootx control panel and extensionMachine:  | tried both my old world macs, neither would bootProcessor: 603ev powerbook / G3 desktop
Memory:  80MB / 192MBRoot Device: Root Size/partition table:  Feel free to paste the full partition  table, with notes on which partitions are mounted where.Output of lspci and lspci -n:
Base System Installation Checklist:[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try itInitial boot worked:    [E]Configure network HW:   [ ]Config network: [ ]Detect CD:  [ ]
Load installer modules: [ ]Detect hard drives: [ ]Partition hard drives:  [ ]Create file systems:    [ ]Mount partitions:   [ ]Install base system:    [ ]Install boot loader:    [ ]
Reboot: [ ]Comments/Problems:  | neither system displays tux/penguin.  | the powerbook prints only the first line "Welcome to Linux ..."  | the desktop gets just a little bit further, prints 2 short blocks of
  | (normal) diagnostic, then also hang - last line printed is  | "MMU:exit"  and ideas you had during the initial install.>
   | Very frustrating. i tried to read the updated installation guides, and  |  got more frustrated.  | ideas : since i have sarge going on both machines,   |  what alternatives may i boot the installer ? neither machine
  |  has a working floppy, both dead a long time ago. however powerbook  |  can boot "virtual floppy" ie RAM DISK. but perhaps other ways  |    |  can i make a partition with /boot and load it with quik ?
  |    |  there is discussion in appendix D at end of install guide about  |  doing a manual install from a working 'nix system, don't know  |  how out of date the directions are though ...  |   | more ideas: is any of that relevant ? if there is something wrong
  | in the kernel or rd setups ? is it possible to install using the sarge  | installer &/or kernel but using the etch cd for system files ?     |  |  i can always do the upgrade from sarge routine, although there are
  |  technical barriers, i would rather see this work.Install logs and other status info is available in /var/log/debian-installer/.Once you have filled out this report, mail it to 
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Bug#379193: installation report sarge/etch

[Brian Morris]

Package: installation-reportsINSTALL REPORTDebian-installer-version: Sarge, 4/20/06 (from debian.org 7/18/06)uname -a: Linux debian4 2.6.16-2-powerpc #1 Sat Jul 15 17:39:41 CEST 2006 ppc GNU/Linux
Date: 21July06, 4-6 pm PDTMethod: boot from business card cd, network install (at library WAP 3Mbs, unproxied  >> instant upgrade to Etch (just changed "stable" to "testing" in 
sources.list, ran updates)Machine: Apple PowerBook 3,1 (pismo)Processor: G4-7410/550MHZ (apple upgrade)Memory: 578 MBRoot Device: ide, /dev/hda10Root Size/partition table:# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
##            proc    /proc   proc    defaults    0   0/dev/hda10  /   ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
/dev/hda13  /home   ext3    defaults    0   2/dev/hda11  none    swap    sw  0   0/dev/hdc    /media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0Output of lspci and lspci -n:
:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth AGP :00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP  2x (rev 02)0001:10:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth PCI
0001:10:17.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo Mac I/O (rev 03)0001:10:18.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB0001:10:19.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB0001:10:1a.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1211
0002:24:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth Internal PCI0002:24:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth FireWire (rev 01)0002:24:0f.0 Class : Illegal Vendor ID Unknown device  (rev ff)
:00:0b.0 0600: 106b:0020:00:10.0 0300: 1002:4c46 (rev 02)0001:10:0b.0 0600: 106b:001f0001:10:17.0 ff00: 106b:0022 (rev 03)0001:10:18.0 0c03: 106b:00190001:10:19.0 0c03: 106b:00190001:10:
1a.0 0607: 104c:ac1e0002:24:0b.0 0600: 106b:001e0002:24:0e.0 0c00: 106b:0018 (rev 01)0002:24:0f.0 : : (rev ff)Base System Installation Checklist:[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Initial boot worked:    [0 ]Configure network HW:   [0 ]Config network: [0 ]Detect CD:  [0 ]Load installer modules: [0 ]Detect hard drives: [0 ]Partition hard drives:  [0 ]
Create file systems:    [0 ]Mount partitions:   [0 ]Install base system:    [0 ]Install boot loader:    [0 ]Reboot: [0 ]Comments/Problems:i was going to just stick with sarge till august 1st, but i got bored,
turns out this is really easy way to get etch, having a clean sargeto start. i did start up X and read my email before upgrading. i onlyinstalled most basic add-ons xsystem-core, firefox, windowmaker/wterm.
see my previous report about failed install etch directly onwednesday this week. scary part here when upgrade deletes /boot contents,must apt-get vmlinux manually to refill it, then ybin.  and ideas you had during the initial install.>the sarge installer is pretty good, i like the two stage process, youcan take a break if you want/need to. it went super clean here.i am tempting to do such a clean install on my older powerbook.
going to etch this way is just a third stage. i did have advantagei could get access to a fast connection for a few hours. all the auto configurationsworked, i didn't have to even look at the X config. one big starred message
i had perhaps better investigate telling me to purge hotplug.Install logs and other status info is available in /var/log/debian-installer/.Once you have filled out this report, mail it to 
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Bug#377752: installation report

[Brian Morris]

Package: installation-reportsthis report is in the attachment.i don't know how to copy and past it with my current setup.i have bugreport installed, but linix email is a complete mystery to me.
in previous installation report, i copy it "upstairs" to mac os wherei knew how to insert a file into email body.but here i do not have a drag and drop interface, that iscompatible with my purposes for this machine and the mozilla web browser both (using gnustep but  i can't get it over to mozilla), as
well as the junky public email programs.Brian Morris


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Re: Wanted: Debian Installer PowerPC porter(s)

[brian morris]

hi - i am getting pretty worn out myself

putting Debian on a new world mac for first
time lately, a G4. i have thinking now it
it is a hassle. 

i think the installer is over automated and
that increase bug problems. for instance.

a) the partitioning scheme and type i was
given were not much at all to my liking or
need. i was not given any option to correct
this only take it or leave it. i was not told
that journaling was being turned on. 
   since the partition sizes i was given were
not suitable i am force to resize later. my
backup drive here is firewire and i am hearing
it won't boot a backup. (the backup i made on
scsi with the old world machine wouldn't boot
either, but i was able to run parted by interrupting
the installer - although it no longer tells
you you can i guess you can ... )



on more general :

i for one am no windows guy. I trained on unix
back in the old days and now i am 50% mac at least.

i like macs, and i like unix. i can't stand windows.
i really can't. 

is this worth it. i have done some work with 
Fink project/ macosx.2 jaguar. obviously it
it non-free.  i don't like that but i need
to do some pre-production sorts of work. 

by the way fink commander is compared to synaptic
much better !

?suggestions ??






--- Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 03:10:34AM +0200, Frans Pop
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 03:00, Sven Luther
> wrote:
> > > altough seeing as it is a tedious process with
> little respect from the
> > > d-i team ... 
> > 
> > I have on purpose avoided anything like this in my
> mail and will not go 
> > into any past issues here. I only hope that anyone
> considering helping 
> > out with d-i will make their own judgement based
> on their own experiences 
> > instead of taking Sven's word for this.
> > 
> > And yes, the Debian Installer team is very
> grateful to Sven as well for 
> > the hard work he has done for the installer and
> related packages like 
> > parted over the past years.
> 
> It would have been nice to remember that previously
> though, since well saying
> that after basically kicking someone out, well, it
> does sound more like giving
> oneself good concience than any kind of
> gratefullness.
> 
> Friendly,
> 
> Sven Luther
> 
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