Re: BOGL based frontend for cdebconf
On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 05:42:46PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Something like curses? (I couldn't find bterm either - are you talking about jfbterm?) no. check utilities/bogl directory in boot-floppies source tree. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: aph
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 06:54:33PM +0200, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:02:25PM -0800, Debian Boot CVS Master wrote: more missing \n's Please tell me the minimal build I can execute to get error messages from missing or extra \n's. I really would like to commit only stuff that the compiler accepts. You may just execute `make check-fi' in utilities/dbootstrap/po directory. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: mss
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 05:06:41AM -0800, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Modified files: utilities/dbootstrap/langs: ver2.py Log message: trying to make it independent of the python-xml package version Please check if it works for you. :) If it does not, please send the versions of python-xml and python-base packages. Thanks, -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: gleydson
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:07:33AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 08:31:14AM -0400, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: I've added the language code before of each language option (so it look less confuse). A bit example: en - You have chosen English. Press Enter to proceed Hmm... I would not say it looks less confuse. To my mind, people are just looking for something they understand, and those phrases in their native language should be sufficient enough, no? Well, I like the new scheme better. But let me re-run it and see what I think again. Hmm... I just do not understand what is the target audience. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: gleydson
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:28:25PM -0800, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Module name: boot-floppies Changes by: gleydson00/12/02 17:28:25 Log message: Preceeded message selection with it's language code (cosmetic). Hmm... I do not quite understand the reasoning behind this change. Could you please explain? :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: gleydson
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 08:31:14AM -0400, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: I've added the language code before of each language option (so it look less confuse). A bit example: en - You have chosen English. Press Enter to proceed Hmm... I would not say it looks less confuse. To my mind, people are just looking for something they understand, and those phrases in their native language should be sufficient enough, no? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems comping langs.c in dbootstrap/lang
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:57:33PM +0100, Othmar Pasteka wrote: hi, i tried to do a make langs.c and got the following and yes, i installed everything which is mentioned in the README: gcc -c -Wall -g -I/usr/include/python1.5 iconv.c iconv.c: In function `do_convert': iconv.c:72: warning: passing arg 2 of `iconv' from incompatible pointer type gcc -shared -o iconv.so iconv.o -lpython1.5 ./ver2.py 0 i386 langs.xml Traceback (innermost last): File "./ver2.py", line 25, in ? from xml.dom import core ImportError: cannot import name core Well, this means that you are building boot floppies on a computer with python-xml version 0.5.1. I have created a version of the script for python-xml version 0.6, but I do not know what is the correct way to incorporate it. Do you use woody or potato? -- Misha PS I will also check what this gcc warning is about... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems comping langs.c in dbootstrap/lang
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:44:37PM +0100, Othmar Pasteka wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:30:33PM +0300, Michael Sobolev wrote: Well, this means that you are building boot floppies on a computer with python-xml version 0.5.1. I have created a version of the script for python-xml version 0.6, but I do not know what is the correct way to incorporate it. i have 0.6.2-2 installed. yes, that's exactly the problem. well, i'll try to see what i can do here... Do you use woody or potato? woody. thank you. i believe that potato comes with 0.5.1 -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems comping langs.c in dbootstrap/lang
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:07:14PM +0100, Othmar Pasteka wrote: thank you. i believe that potato comes with 0.5.1 0.5.1-5 ;). it should be working with this version. :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: building arm boot floppies - python error in dbootstrap/lang
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:28:45PM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: ./ver2.py 0 i386 langs.xml (I'm suspicous about that i386, but replacing it with 'arm' doesn't affect the error and it does seem to have been deliberately overridden- what is this about?) The result is; Well, this i386 is about the contents of *.src (*.xml) files. So this needs only to be changed in case this set of boot floppies is being built for arm platform. :) Actually, it's something that should be changed as soon as something reasonable appears in *.src files... It probably shouldn't be hard-coding the architecture this way, if that is what it is doing. I hope I already (after this very report) changed that. :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: mss
Please check if it's clear enough. -- Misha On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 06:23:39AM -0800, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Modified files: . : README-Translators Log message: added prelimiary stuff about language chooser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: mss
Please check the file before committing: make check-lang -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: building arm boot floppies - python error in dbootstrap/lang
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 06:18:01PM +, Wookey wrote: Having updated from cvs I am now past the LC problems reported. And then I got some python complaints, but after installing task-python-dev (except for 2 bits (gdb and python-gimp) which aren't compiled for potato arm) I get a bit further. Now, when I do make release - When it gets to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs dir it compiles iconv.so OK and then does: ./ver2.py 0 i386 langs.xml (I'm suspicous about that i386, but replacing it with 'arm' doesn't affect the error and it does seem to have been deliberately overridden- what is this about?) The result is; Well, this i386 is about the contents of *.src (*.xml) files. So this needs only to be changed in case this set of boot floppies is being built for arm platform. :) Actually, it's something that should be changed as soon as something reasonable appears in *.src files... Traceback (innermost last): File "./ver2.py", line 30, in ? from dumper import dumper File "./dumper.py" line 23, in ? from iconv import engine ImportError: ./iconv.so: R_ARM_PC24 relocation out of range Hmm.. This error seems to be specific to arm platform. This may be an arm-specific problem (I've asked a guru about that), but maybe not. Unfortunately, I am not a debian developer, so I do not have access to those arm machines available for them (do they exist?). Maybe if I had an account on such a computer, I could find what's wrong. But, it's only needed if we want lc on arm platform. :) What is actually going on in this dir? The main thing is creating a langs.c file. Can I in fact do this part of the compile on an i386 box in order to get going? (I tried but got another error, probably due to mixing arm and i386 files - sigh). I'd say so. What version of debian you are using, BTW? Can I just skip this stuff as yet more language-specifc jiggery-pokery that I almost certanly don't need? Hopefully so, and actually you should not see anything about langs directory if you have not set USE_LANGUAGE_CHOOSER=true in config file. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#77455: i18n] sets wrong keyboard for i386 - kind of solved
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 12:49:02AM +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote: So it looks like one should normalize the list of available keyboards in one of the places... Maybe the arch prefixes in langs/*.src should be cut off at build time? Looking at utilities/dbootstrap/kbdconfig.c I would say this is going to work... Maybe we just get couldget rid of thevariable prefix (in that file) and full (in some sense) paths? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#77455: i18n] sets wrong keyboard for i386 - kind of solved
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:41:24PM +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote: No, this is simpler then I thought at first. LC code in main_menu passes "i386/qwerty/pl" to configure_keyboard, which then compares it against list of strings like "qwerty/pl" (no arch prefix). It doesn't find a match, and prints an error. Manual selection works later, because it uses strings without arch prefix. So it looks like one should normalize the list of available keyboards in one of the places... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone's building bf on a woody system?
On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:21:44PM -0700, Erik Andersen wrote: FYI, I just checked in this update to the header files, to be sure that the correct dev_t is used for the loop stuff... Yes, I saw. :) Thank you. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.2.18 + LANG_CHOOSER has bad bugs
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:57:36PM -0400, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: Unfortunatelly the Portuguese accentuation support with utf looks be little problematic :( Some accentuation codes of Portuguese language aren't working (the original accentuation character is replaced by one space). For now, these are the problematic letters (in Html compatible macros for global compatibility and both in upper and lower case): Hmmm... That should not be. :) Well, on a serious note, I checked the Portuguese texts that are in boot floppies, and they look very Portuguese. :) (Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese, so I do not see if it's ok, or not) Aacute aacute agrave Agrave iacute Iacute igrave Igrave oacute Oacute ograve Ograve But, as I speak French a bit, I do see the French texts ok... And they make heavy use of agrave, for example... Some others characters are translated to it normal (without accentuation): This should never happen. Could you please send me (only me!) the file all.utf (utilities/all.utf) that you got on your computer? I'm going to compare it with the one I got one mine and see what's happening... -- Misha PS Sorry for late response, I am pretty busy at the moment.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.2.18 + LANG_CHOOSER has bad bugs
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:40:03AM -0400, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: Michael Sobolev wrote: On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 09:18:34AM -0400, Gleydson Mazioli da Silva wrote: The accentuation codes for Portuguese language with utf language chooser isn't working too. That's a bug. It should be working. Thanks, I'm starting another test now... On second thought, the reduced font may miss needed characters... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.2.18 + LANG_CHOOSER has bad bugs
Well, I modified the way all.utf file is generated (those files from dbootstrap/langs directory are now included). Please check if Portuguese looks ok now. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Boot CVS: aph
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 08:12:49PM +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote: They are no more independent. This will be going mainstream really soon now, and the build process depends on them. Adam agreed with me that it is a good idea to have that in utilities in order to make a good source package. On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 06:13:55PM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: There is reason to merge them, because as of a day or so or now, you will need the sources in order to build boot-floppies. Well, so you want people to download that huge boot-floppies in case they just want a custom version of boot floppies without language chooser at all? I still do not think that this is a good idea to merge these two modules. Let's better create a separate package (called boot-floppies-lc), and make boot-floppies suggest it. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Each team member keep own Notes.name in CVS.
I'd say that a separate directory would be better... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:22:01PM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: (It doesn't work with either font - reduced or not). bterm: bogl-vga16.c:223: bogl_vga16_clear: Assertion `y1 = 0 y1 bogl_yres' failed. Aborted Well, I rember having such a problem with another driver. The "fix" was to comment out the assertions. Could you please check if it works for you? (Just comment out the lines 220-225.) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:37:28AM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: $ cd utilities/dbootstrap/po $ make all-utf $ for x in utf/??.trm;do make `echo $x|sed -e 's/trm/po/'`;done $ cat utf/*.po ../../po.utf $ cd ../../../scripts/rootdisk/messages edited Makefile so that RN_TARGET_DIR=. $ for x in ??;do make ./release_notes.$x;done $ cat release_notes.?? ../../../utilities/rn.utf $ cd ../../../utilities $ cat rn.utf po.utf all.utf Hmm... It looks ok. I checked on one of my computers at work and it behaves as you showed in your previous message. I'll try to investigate what's happening. And when I am back at home I'll see if the situation at home computer is the same. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
Marcin, It looks I completely lost. :-( It works on my home computer and it does not on my both computers at work. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:43:36PM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:37:30AM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: Marcin, It looks I completely lost. :-( It works on my home computer and it does not on my both computers at work. Maybe try cmp-ing the all.utf and fonts and/or stracing the reduction process? I created the file on my computer at work and used it for experiments. Moreover I changed a bit the program (see CVS) and it now outputs the position and the string where the error occured. Do you know what I see on my computer at work? The first characters (space space space) are illegal! Very funny. :-| Well, I am going to try a debugger or something... :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
Hmm... It looks like I found the problem (please see and check CVS version). I am just not sure I did it right way... :( -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser - patch
On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 07:32:03PM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: The only grotty thing about it, really, is that it required us to have bf-utf8 in the same parent dir as the boot-floppies area is, which is pretty much the best we can do in a bad situation, IMHO. That sounds good. One could check if bf-utf is available in parent directory and disable LANG_CHOOSER if it is not. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:40:44AM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Now there's the problem with fonts. The smallest I could find is font.bgf. IIRC Takesoshi Sano said this one is mostly OK (as for what characters it contains). But it's too big to fit on a floppy. One option seems to be font reduction, but the program 'reduce-font' doesn't seem to work for me: # ./reduce-font font.bgf ../allpos.utf reduce-font: mbrtowc.c:87: __mbrtowc: Assertion _mbsinit (data.statep)' failed. Aborted Hmm... To begin with, you should use .bdf font. Then LC_CTYPE should have a correct value, and the last, libutf8_plug.so should be ld-preloaded. If it does not work, let me know. In this case, I'd need the font you are trying to use. :) allpos.utf is a file which i got by catening all 'po' files in UTF - is it suitable for 'text'? It's not sufficient. You should also have a look at utf versions of release_notes that come to boot disk! - Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
Well, I've been using unifont.bdf as it comes in bf-utf. How do you create you all.utf file? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font reduction problems
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:38:15AM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: Well, I've been using unifont.bdf as it comes in bf-utf. I checked the program with ucs.bdf font, but unfortunately, it comes with symbolic names for characters (what is not supported by this simple program). unifont.bdf uses U+ notation only, so it should work. How do you create you all.utf file? And the answer to this question is really important as error code -1 means `An invalid multibyte sequence encountered'. I'd guess that the file all.utf is not in utf-8... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
Marcin, I just got an idea! :) You are trying to use graphical interface, are you not? And not just bterm program? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:01:12PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 11:18:19AM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Um.. I don't think so... I compiled dbootstrap with LANGUAGE_CHOOSER=true, as well as bterm and after setting these all variables ran ../bogl/bterm -f ../bogl/font.bgf ./dbootstrap This seems to be correct. Let me check when I am back to home (in about 8 hours). :) Last note (before leaving to home :). What files have you tried to browse? Have you converted them into UTF-8? (Wild guess, but who knows? :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 08:25:27PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:01:12PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 11:18:19AM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Um.. I don't think so... I compiled dbootstrap with LANGUAGE_CHOOSER=true, as well as bterm and after setting these all variables ran ../bogl/bterm -f ../bogl/font.bgf ./dbootstrap This seems to be correct. Let me check when I am back to home (in about 8 hours). :) Last note (before leaving to home :). What files have you tried to browse? Have you converted them into UTF-8? (Wild guess, but who knows? :) Well, I tried to run the stuff on my computer and It Works (tm). :( So what I did. According to README.BOGL-bterm, I downloaded and compiled libutf8 plug. Then compiled bterm. My commands are: $ export LD_PRELOAD=`pwd`/libutf8/libutf8_plug.so $ ./bterm -f ucs.bgf -l en_US.UTF-8 /bin/bash Then, in bterm, I executed $ less f where f is a concatenation of release notes (old versions) in all available languages. English, French, and Russian seems to be OK. Japanese looks unusual, but it's full of those nice symbols. :) Could you please execute $ locale after you start bterm. And, another try, what fonts do you use? From bf-utf? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 11:05:57PM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Last note (before leaving to home :). What files have you tried to browse? Have you converted them into UTF-8? (Wild guess, but who knows? :) Hmm.. I cat-ed some files like 'UTF-8-demo.txt' which was I guess in libutf8 directory... They looked OK with the font i'm using. Actually I don't know where did this font come from exactly. Anyway, if it displays Polish chars i enter in bterm from the keyboard as well as runes and greek, it is probably OK. Aha. I've got a question for you. :) Does you keyboard layout generate UTF-8 sequences? If so, it's OK. If not, then you are trying to do something in a wrong way. But if the dbootstrap's messages are not automatically converted to UTF8 during build of the .trm files when LANGUAGE_CHOOSER==true, then that's probably the problem. I'll check that in a second. There is a special target (all-utf) that allows to create UTF-8 versions of messages... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language chooser
On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:28:52PM +0200, Marcin Owsiany wrote: However, on each line only the first ASCII characters are displayed. Do you get them to display properly? I believe, you missed two things (as you did not say that you had read the README file (the one called utilities/bogl/README.BOGL-bterm :)) LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 The part before '.' is not important (unless you have messages for this very locale), the important part is 'UTF-8'. The second thing is LD_PRELOAD=libutf8_plug.so This one is a bit more difficult. :) You should either get it where README file points to, or get bf-utf package (where I put it). If my supposition is wrong (you actually read the README file :), then I'd need more information to help you get it working. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:44:12AM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML pages As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's very bad. :-( -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to make Russian PDFs still
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:57:12PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Even using woody TeX (which has some serious problems, btw), I still get tons and tons of errors making install.ru.pdf ! LaTeX Error: Command \cyrt unavailable in encoding T2A. I don't understand how other people are producing this PDF properly. It's going to have to be disabled until someone can explain to me what to setup to get this file building. Just a guess. I am using Russian environment, that means that I have LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R I am going to check if it's a correct guess. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:38:34PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this thread. Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? I guess so. Since we aren't likely (I don't think!) to get an updated debiandoc-sgml, can someone check to see whether we could perhaps define the mdash entity, when making HTML, to '-' or '--', perhaps in defaults.ent? Well, my knowledge of SGML is not very solid, so I could be wrong, but AFAIK just defining mdash somewhere in the document does not help, as those ISO entities are processed earlier, and, as we all know, in SGML world the first wins. :) If someone can get this fixed (I don't have time) and just commit it in CVS that would pretty much fix the problem. Maybe we could wait a bit before Ardo pays some attention to #72550? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:36:06PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's very bad. :-( Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this thread. Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? Well, I submitted bug #72550. This is a wishlist, though. Or do you think that nonreadable mdashes are more than just inconvenience? If so, you could submit a bug against boot-floppies... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:20:11PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: In HTML, there is no portable way to represent an em-dash - except by using a plain old "-". You mean two of them, do you not? :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:22:01PM -0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps mdash to mdash which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we need to use #151; but conformance is not guaranteed. I'll check the whole table and let you know what's up. According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 07:10:35PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) mdash; isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. Hmm. Sounds like a bug on debiandoc-sgml... Can anyone look into that? Do you really think it's a bug? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 03:50:37PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: There's an apparently new variable introduced in recent versions of canonical files, it's mdash; I'm desperately trying to find out what it refers to. Has the french translation of it been included. Can anyone help ? It refers to a dash of length of the letter `m'. :) A long dash. There is also ndash and, I believe, others. Also where are the lists of the other "variables" and their related local translations ? The file you are looking for is /usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOpub. The idea behind mdash is that in different cases you may need different constructions to show appropriate symbols. Two good examples come to my mind: HTML and TeX. Hope this helps, -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) mdash; isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: add_modules_from_floppy() in configure_drivers()
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:33:05PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: I guess that's already done. I saw it today that 'No' was preselected. I'm not sure which which dialog that was but I guess it was 2.0 ext2 fs compatibility or swap. Sorry, can't find it anymore. Maybe I was dreaming and separating reality and dream didn't work this time. Maybe we could just rephrase the question to make the answer "yes" the one that skips the step. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: add_modules_from_floppy() in configure_drivers()
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 06:35:01PM +0200, Guillaume Morin wrote: So I plan to remove this call temporaly in the CVS. But I'd like this to stay in the bf. Have anyone a solution to integrate properly ? #if 0 ? :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Language Chooser
On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 09:29:57AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: who is in charge of the language chooser? The head of choose_lang.c says that it's haggie but he says, it's somebody else. I'd say that I am in charge of language chooser. Please be advised that choose_lang.c has nothing common with language chooser. Next question: Why isn't that thing enabled? because it was not well tested and it's incomplete (see below). Next question: How is it supposed to work? well, there is a program (bterm) that implements an UTF-8 aware terminal. Second step is to compile dbootstrap with language chooser support (add USE_LANGUAGE_CHOOSER=true), then you can run something like bterm -f nice-font-with-lots-of-characters /path/to/dbootstrap It should be working. :) At least, it works for me (tm). Next question: What kind of work needs to be done to get it working? I've been told that there were some problems with UTF8 fonts c and that its development involves deep understnding in utf8, dbootstrap and python? Is that true? If so, why? Let's start with false statements. :) It does not need any understanding of python nor utf-8. I used python as it seemed to be a good choice for small tasks. I used it to create data files needed for language chooser. What's done: it does permit to choose a language (along with locale name and keyboard layout) and makes dbootstrap showing all messages in chosen language. What's to be done. This information (the chosen language) is not stored anywhere, as result base-config cannot use it. This and the fact that we do not create any configuration file that would allow to create a correctly localized environment for the user are the major issues to be resolved and implemented. I also created a program that takes a set of files, a bdf font and creates a font that allows to display US-ASCII + everything in these files. While experimenting (sp?) with release_notes and message files for dbootstrap I found that the resulting font is not big at all. Unfortunately, I was short of time this summer, hopefully I will have more now. Anyway, I am going to work on this. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[i18n] language choser impact
Just to open a discussion what and how, I'd like to advise on what impact language chooser has (on my pentium): dbootstrap (w/o language chooser) 124540 dbootstrap (w/ language chooser)193180 release_notes for all available languages in UTF-8 32K dbootstrap messages for all available languages in UTF-81044K libutf8_plug (to make UTF-8 really working) 36661 bterm program (which supports UTF-8 stuff)30556 a reduced (from unifont) font that displays all characters in release notes and messages 57059 what gives + about 1265K. So what can we do with that? Please comment. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] language choser impact
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 03:26:12AM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: what gives + about 1265K. So what can we do with that? Please comment. This raises two related questions: how much space do we have on the image that comes to CD (2.88?) is there any way to determine where have we booted from -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
