Bug#987503:
On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 7:48 PM Cyril Brulebois wrote: > For the avoidance of doubt, the relevant partman-auto code is present > in buster, bullseye, and bookworm. Thanks for the correction; I was under the impression that this has been more recent. I don't install my systems very often, basically only when I get a new machine. Debian Just Works(TM), as you certainly know. Now that I think about it, I do remember that I had to partition the Gen 7 by hand as well though I had forgotten the details as to why.
Bug#987503:
I tried hibernation on Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 1, Gen 5, Gen 7, and Gen 11. They all work. As per https://chaos.social/@waldi/110683468203241035 , I believe that the definition of "modern system" Waldi refers to means catering to a Windows world, something not deeply relevant to the Debian use case. Steve's point about servers with more RAM than local storage caters a nice use case to the detriment of the default. It does not design for the common case with significantly more local storage than RAM, and certainly violates the principle of least surprise. Server operators are also more likely to have automation, change control, Q&A processes, custom install options, hardware, etc. than normal users. In other words: They are more likely to diverge from the default settings. Desktop users likely do not care, or notice, either way. Using only part of the local storage and reserving more with LVM is certainly not the default use case, either. It is also not the default behavior of the guided installation. As such, the current behavior is a breaking change for laptop users and leaves them with a broken system; when they realize why hibernation does not work they need to reinstall the system or reformat by hand with all the data moving that entails. The fact that we're stuck with this for a whole stable release cycle makes things even worse. Richard
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 22:45, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Christian Perrier schrieb: > >> Given that it might be hard to explain what *exactly* win32-loader is >> doing, I think it could be safer to drop this new feature from the >> announcement. > > Did so when the discussion started waiting for a consensus. Seems we > reached it ;) Dunno, I think this feature is very important for non-tech-savvy users. Thus, it's a good selling point which means it would be good to mention it in the release announcement which a lot of people will read. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 13:45, Holger Levsen wrote: > "There is also a new tool for Windows users, win32-loader which can modifiy s/win32-loader/win32-loader,/ > the boot.ini from Windows, so it's possible to install Debian without > touching the BIOS." touching the BIOS to change the boot device priority. That was the reason why this discussion started in the first place ;) Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:25, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the > installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS > boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running > during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. That does not seem to make sense. Qemu or some such (if it runs on Windows) sounds more likely than unloading the Windows kernel on the fly. But as I said, this is too important for speculation, we need something in the know to explain what is meant by the initial sentence. The -boot list is CC, so that should not be too much of a problem :) Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:18, Holger Levsen wrote: > That doesnt really have to do anything with Windows. Or if, it should be > explained how/why. Because the installer carries executables for Windows only (well, and Linux). You are right though, it should be explained why. Why the confusion right now, we should prolly wait for someone from the installer team to chip in. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:50, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > Holger Levsen writes: > >> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: >> >>> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started >>> without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. >> >> What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need >> to reconfigure the bios? > > To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. Makes sense. In that case, the sentence should be clearer, though. _Assuming_ this is correct, how about: --- The installer can now modify the boot sector of a running Windows, enabling the user to install Debian without the need to reconfigure the BIOS to boot from the installation CD. --- Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
