Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
On Monday, 20 February 2023 01:07:29 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:38:28 +0100, a ecrit: > > On Monday, 20 February 2023 00:27:57 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:14:19 +0100, a ecrit: > > > > On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in > > > > > arm64 under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation > > > > > images however do not include sound drivers and speakup. > > > > > > > > Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > > > > > > > > > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > > > > > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. > > > > > > > > ... this architecture list seems rather random? Why not also add it to > > > > f.e. armhf, which itself is also a rather random > > > > not-previously-enabled-arch? > > > > > > I don't see why we shouldn't indeed. If some drivers didn't make sense > > > on these archs they would rather be disabled by the arch configuration > > > anyway. Speakup itself is portable and should be working on any arch, > > > provided it has a virtual console. > > > > > > The only historical reason I can see is that it was enabled only for > > > architectures which have a gtk installer image (for which we consider > > > that size doesn't matter). > > > > On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I checked the links > > under "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the presence of a > > "netboot/gtk/" folder and that turned out to be arm64 and armhf, so I'll > > only add those. > > > > If other arches should be added too, that can be done later. > > I'm just thinking that probably people won't actually do it. That's what > happened for arm64: see commit ea37896526075fb9d0f453ec537536149ea97d16 > which copied over the gtk configuration, but left speakup/sound > commented, most probably just because the package was not available, and > only now, 4 years later, we notice the missing feature. As mentioned in my other reply, I submitted a MR for the kernel side here: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/661 But it looks like something needs to be done on the d-i side as well. But I'm not willing to do that. I'm not familiar with d-i's code/inner working and when comparing arm64.cfg with armhf.cfg in netboot/gtk folder I saw differences and I don't know why that is. Diederik signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:38:28 +0100, a ecrit: > On Monday, 20 February 2023 00:27:57 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:14:19 +0100, a ecrit: > > > On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in arm64 > > > > under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation images > > > > however do not include sound drivers and speakup. > > > > > > Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > > > > > > > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > > > > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. > > > > > > ... this architecture list seems rather random? Why not also add it to > > > f.e. > > > armhf, which itself is also a rather random not-previously-enabled-arch? > > > > I don't see why we shouldn't indeed. If some drivers didn't make sense > > on these archs they would rather be disabled by the arch configuration > > anyway. Speakup itself is portable and should be working on any arch, > > provided it has a virtual console. > > > > The only historical reason I can see is that it was enabled only for > > architectures which have a gtk installer image (for which we consider > > that size doesn't matter). > > On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I checked the links under > "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the presence of a > "netboot/gtk/" > folder and that turned out to be arm64 and armhf, so I'll only add those. > > If other arches should be added too, that can be done later. I'm just thinking that probably people won't actually do it. That's what happened for arm64: see commit ea37896526075fb9d0f453ec537536149ea97d16 which copied over the gtk configuration, but left speakup/sound commented, most probably just because the package was not available, and only now, 4 years later, we notice the missing feature. Samuel
Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
Control: tag -1 -moreinfo On Monday, 20 February 2023 00:38:28 CET Diederik de Haas wrote: > On Monday, 20 February 2023 00:27:57 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:14:19 +0100, a ecrit: > > > On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in arm64 > > > > under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation images > > > > however do not include sound drivers and speakup. > > > > > > Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > > > > > > > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > > > > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. > > > > > > ... this architecture list seems rather random? > > On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I checked the links under > "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the presence of a > "netboot/gtk/" folder and that turned out to be arm64 and armhf, so I'll > only add those. > > If other arches should be added too, that can be done later. https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/661 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
On Monday, 20 February 2023 00:27:57 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:14:19 +0100, a ecrit: > > On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in arm64 > > > under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation images > > > however do not include sound drivers and speakup. > > > > Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > > > > > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > > > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. > > > > ... this architecture list seems rather random? Why not also add it to > > f.e. > > armhf, which itself is also a rather random not-previously-enabled-arch? > > I don't see why we shouldn't indeed. If some drivers didn't make sense > on these archs they would rather be disabled by the arch configuration > anyway. Speakup itself is portable and should be working on any arch, > provided it has a virtual console. > > The only historical reason I can see is that it was enabled only for > architectures which have a gtk installer image (for which we consider > that size doesn't matter). On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I checked the links under "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the presence of a "netboot/gtk/" folder and that turned out to be arm64 and armhf, so I'll only add those. If other arches should be added too, that can be done later. Cheers, Diederik signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
Diederik de Haas, le lun. 20 févr. 2023 00:14:19 +0100, a ecrit: > On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in arm64 > > under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation images > > however do not include sound drivers and speakup. > > Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > > > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. > > ... this architecture list seems rather random? Why not also add it to f.e. > armhf, which itself is also a rather random not-previously-enabled-arch? I don't see why we shouldn't indeed. If some drivers didn't make sense on these archs they would rather be disabled by the arch configuration anyway. Speakup itself is portable and should be working on any arch, provided it has a virtual console. The only historical reason I can see is that it was enabled only for architectures which have a gtk installer image (for which we consider that size doesn't matter). Samuel
Re: Bug#1031289: linux: Missing sound drivers (and speakup) in d-i on arm64
Control: tag -1 +moreinfo On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:10:11 CET Samuel Thibault wrote: > Some people on debian-accessibility wanted to install debian in arm64 > under the utm wrapped qemu on Macos. The current installation images > however do not include sound drivers and speakup. Currently working on a MR to achieve that, but ... > ... indeed, it seems these modules are getting built only for > amd64, 686, mips, sh4. ... this architecture list seems rather random? Why not also add it to f.e. armhf, which itself is also a rather random not-previously-enabled-arch? (Explicitly) CC-ing debian-boot as there may be other factors I'm not aware of and/or other considerations to be taken into account. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
