Re: 10.9 planning

[Steve McIntyre]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 05:18:43PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 04:14:31PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> In fact, how about: we *could* go ahead with the 10.9 point release as
>> already planned, and expect to do a 10.10 a couple of weeks later with
>> basically *just* the shim/SB changes? I'm OK to go with that option if
>> that's our preferred route as a group.
>> 
>Is there actually a rush to get 10.10 out?  Are people eager to push out
>revocations?  Or can we do it on our normal cadence, some time in May or
>thereabouts, without adverse consequences?

There's a distinct push to try and get things out ASAP so we can fix
the revocation cycles killing EFI storage space. That's worrying a lot
of people. I don't have a good idea of the ETA for issuing that last
round of revocations, as that's a sore subject.

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Julien Cristau]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 04:14:31PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> In fact, how about: we *could* go ahead with the 10.9 point release as
> already planned, and expect to do a 10.10 a couple of weeks later with
> basically *just* the shim/SB changes? I'm OK to go with that option if
> that's our preferred route as a group.
> 
Is there actually a rush to get 10.10 out?  Are people eager to push out
revocations?  Or can we do it on our normal cadence, some time in May or
thereabouts, without adverse consequences?

Thanks,
Julien

Re: 10.9 planning

[Steve McIntyre]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 04:07:59PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:24:45PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>On Fri, 2021-03-19 at 11:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>> Houston, we have a problem. I know that you've announced the 27th for
>>> the point release, but we're not going to have a new shim ready for
>>> then.
>>> 
>>> We've been hard at work testing and fixing things for the last couple
>>> of weeks, but it's been slow going.  We've *just* had a 15.3-rc3
>>> release candidate published last night. Even if that all looks OK and
>>> we don't find any more bugs in testing (fingers crossed!), we're not
>>> going to have a proper 15.3 release ready to go for
>>> review/testing/signing in time for it to make it into a buster point
>>> release next weekend.
>>
>>Thanks for the update. :-(
>>
>>Do you have a sense of when things _might_ be ready? Depending on
>>timings it might be worth us getting the bulk of 10.9 out of the way
>>and working out what to do about shim later on.
>
>At this point, I do not have a lot of confidence to pick a reliable
>substitute date. Once we have a 15.3 release *done*, I'm thinking
>adding a couple of weeks after that point is probably the most
>sensible thing we can do. That's enough notice for the teams, I hope?
>And it will be enough time to get stuff reviewed and signed. I'll be
>one of the people driving the review process, and the reviews for this
>round should be minimal - we'll be using a totally vanilla new release
>with no local patches.
>
>I'll keep you updated as soon as i have any news.

In fact, how about: we *could* go ahead with the 10.9 point release as
already planned, and expect to do a 10.10 a couple of weeks later with
basically *just* the shim/SB changes? I'm OK to go with that option if
that's our preferred route as a group.

(Obviously, either of these options will be eating into time for
fixing things for a Bullseye release.)

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Steve McIntyre]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:24:45PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>
>On Fri, 2021-03-19 at 11:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Houston, we have a problem. I know that you've announced the 27th for
>> the point release, but we're not going to have a new shim ready for
>> then.
>> 
>> We've been hard at work testing and fixing things for the last couple
>> of weeks, but it's been slow going.  We've *just* had a 15.3-rc3
>> release candidate published last night. Even if that all looks OK and
>> we don't find any more bugs in testing (fingers crossed!), we're not
>> going to have a proper 15.3 release ready to go for
>> review/testing/signing in time for it to make it into a buster point
>> release next weekend.
>
>Thanks for the update. :-(
>
>Do you have a sense of when things _might_ be ready? Depending on
>timings it might be worth us getting the bulk of 10.9 out of the way
>and working out what to do about shim later on.

At this point, I do not have a lot of confidence to pick a reliable
substitute date. Once we have a 15.3 release *done*, I'm thinking
adding a couple of weeks after that point is probably the most
sensible thing we can do. That's enough notice for the teams, I hope?
And it will be enough time to get stuff reviewed and signed. I'll be
one of the people driving the review process, and the reviews for this
round should be minimal - we'll be using a totally vanilla new release
with no local patches.

I'll keep you updated as soon as i have any news.

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Adam D. Barratt]

Hi Steve,

On Fri, 2021-03-19 at 11:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Houston, we have a problem. I know that you've announced the 27th for
> the point release, but we're not going to have a new shim ready for
> then.
> 
> We've been hard at work testing and fixing things for the last couple
> of weeks, but it's been slow going.  We've *just* had a 15.3-rc3
> release candidate published last night. Even if that all looks OK and
> we don't find any more bugs in testing (fingers crossed!), we're not
> going to have a proper 15.3 release ready to go for
> review/testing/signing in time for it to make it into a buster point
> release next weekend.

Thanks for the update. :-(

Do you have a sense of when things _might_ be ready? Depending on
timings it might be worth us getting the bulk of 10.9 out of the way
and working out what to do about shim later on.

Regards,

Adam

Re: 10.9 planning

[Steve McIntyre]

Hey folks,

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 02:36:47PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:33:15PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
>>release.
>>
>>Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
>>the following:
>>
>>- March 27th
>>- April 3rd
>>- April 10th
>>
>>I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
>>reasons. :-)
>
>Any of those are possible, but I'#d much prefer the 27th if
>possible. The 3rd is Easter weekend, and I do have tentative plans.

AAARGH.

Houston, we have a problem. I know that you've announced the 27th for
the point release, but we're not going to have a new shim ready for
then.

We've been hard at work testing and fixing things for the last couple
of weeks, but it's been slow going.  We've *just* had a 15.3-rc3
release candidate published last night. Even if that all looks OK and
we don't find any more bugs in testing (fingers crossed!), we're not
going to have a proper 15.3 release ready to go for
review/testing/signing in time for it to make it into a buster point
release next weekend.

Sorry. :-(

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Andy Simpkins]

Preferance would be 27th
But can do the others if need be.

/Andy (& Isy)

On 15 March 2021 20:54:45 GMT, Laura Arjona Reina  wrote:
>Hi!
>
>El 15 de marzo de 2021 13:33:15 CET, "Adam D. Barratt"
> escribió:
>>Hi,
>>
>>It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
>>release.
>>
>>Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
>>the following:
>>
>>- March 27th
>>- April 3rd
>>- April 10th
>>
>
>All those dates work for publicity team.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>>I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
>>reasons. :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Adam
>>
>
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Re: 10.9 planning

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hi!

El 15 de marzo de 2021 13:33:15 CET, "Adam D. Barratt" 
 escribió:
>Hi,
>
>It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
>release.
>
>Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
>the following:
>
>- March 27th
>- April 3rd
>- April 10th
>

All those dates work for publicity team.

Kind regards,

>I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
>reasons. :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Adam
>

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Mark Hymers]

On Mon, 15, Mar, 2021 at 12:33:15PM +, Adam D. Barratt spoke thus..
> Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
> the following:
> 
> - March 27th
> - April 3rd
> - April 10th

I can do any of those for ftp, but would prefer to avoid the 10th April
as well (which is convenient)

Mark

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Cyril Brulebois]

Adam D. Barratt  (2021-03-15):
> - March 27th
> - April 3rd
> - April 10th

All of the above.


Cheers,
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Re: 10.9 planning

[Steve McIntyre]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:33:15PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>Hi,
>
>It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
>release.
>
>Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
>the following:
>
>- March 27th
>- April 3rd
>- April 10th
>
>I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
>reasons. :-)

Any of those are possible, but I'#d much prefer the 27th if
possible. The 3rd is Easter weekend, and I do have tentative plans.

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Re: 10.9 planning

[Donald Norwood]

Ciao,

March 27th and April 10th work for the publicity component.



On 3/15/21 8:33 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
> release.
> 
> Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
> the following:
> 
> - March 27th
> - April 3rd
> - April 10th
> 
> I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
> reasons. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 


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10.9 planning

[Adam D. Barratt]

Hi,

It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
release.

Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
the following:

- March 27th
- April 3rd
- April 10th

I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
reasons. :-)

Regards,

Adam