Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
I confirm that all Greek characters with their accent appear normally. It's the end of seven+ years of pain! Thank you very much!
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Παύλος Γκέσος, le jeu. 29 déc. 2022 23:37:21 +0200, a ecrit: > > Ah, you mean that currently, shift-w produces Sigma, but that's not > > actually useful, so we can just make it a dead key for ̈́? > > Exactly! > This is what Microsoft Windows does. > Probably the Windows kernel has the same limitation too :-) That's very probable, yes. Thanks for your very precise reports :) Samuel
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
> Ah, you mean that currently, shift-w produces Sigma, but that's not > actually useful, so we can just make it a dead key for ̈́? Exactly! This is what Microsoft Windows does. Probably the Windows kernel has the same limitation too :-)
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Παύλος Γκέσος, le jeu. 29 déc. 2022 23:08:23 +0200, a ecrit: > > There is a workaround then. > > The Microsoft Windows workaround: > > > > Press key combination Shift-w (dead key for ΅) > > Press key y or i to get characters ΰ or ΐ. > > To certify what I said about Shift-w: > http://kbdlayout.info/kbdhe Ah, you mean that currently, shift-w produces Sigma, but that's not actually useful, so we can just make it a dead key for ̈́? Samuel
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Hello, Παύλος Γκέσος, le jeu. 29 déc. 2022 23:02:55 +0200, a ecrit: > > Yes, unfortunately that's something that the Linux kernel does not > > support currently. It only supports one dead key press at a time. > > I never imagined that for dead keys there is code in the kernel. The whole Linux console is supported by the Linux kernel, there is no userland code involved except for loading fonts & keyboard layouts into the kernel. > There is a workaround then. > The Microsoft Windows workaround: > > Press key combination Shift-w (dead key for ΅) > Press key y or i to get characters ΰ or ΐ. > > These characters are very useful in the Greek language. > Also the implementation with the Shift-w key combination does not > break anything as: > key s gives char σ > key combination Shift-s gives char Σ > key w gives char ς > key combination Shift-w gives char Σ again I don't understand: in what you described, shift-w is used both for dead key for ΅ and for producing Σ ? Or did you mean shift-; above? Samuel
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
> There is a workaround then. > The Microsoft Windows workaround: > > Press key combination Shift-w (dead key for ΅) > Press key y or i to get characters ΰ or ΐ. To certify what I said about Shift-w: http://kbdlayout.info/kbdhe
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
> Yes, unfortunately that's something that the Linux kernel does not > support currently. It only supports one dead key press at a time. I never imagined that for dead keys there is code in the kernel. There is a workaround then. The Microsoft Windows workaround: Press key combination Shift-w (dead key for ΅) Press key y or i to get characters ΰ or ΐ. These characters are very useful in the Greek language. Also the implementation with the Shift-w key combination does not break anything as: key s gives char σ key combination Shift-s gives char Σ key w gives char ς key combination Shift-w gives char Σ again (this duplication does not exist on Microsoft Windows as it is a dead key) Advantages: - Very useful Greek keyboard characters will be implemented. Everything is better than nothing. - Only one dead key, as the kernel permits. - It will not create significant confusion for users because it is the same keyboard layout as the equivalent of Microsoft Windows. Disadvantages: - X has another key combination: ; Shift-; y instead of Shit-w y. This will be a bit confusing for users, but consider that now these useful characters are not EVEN available in tty! Any thoughts?
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Hello, Παύλος Γκέσος, le mar. 27 déc. 2022 11:08:02 +0200, a ecrit: > The following functionality is not fixed: > > WHAT MUST HAPPEN: > Type KEY ; (in Greek is the CHAR "'") - This is a > "dead" key and nothing happens > Type KEY COMBINATION Shift-; (in Greek is the CHAR """) - This is a > "dead" key and nothing happens > Type KEY y (in Greek is the CHAR "υ"). The CHAR "ΰ" > must appear in tty (you have it with Alt+0944 key combination) Yes, unfortunately that's something that the Linux kernel does not support currently. It only supports one dead key press at a time. Samuel
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Hello, Pavlos Gkesos, le dim. 25 déc. 2022 19:36:15 +0200, a ecrit: > I remember this annoying issue, in all Debian based distros, at least for the > last 7 years. Apparently it hasn't been reported for that much time, so... ;) > Type KEY a (in Greek is the CHAR "α"). Two CHARs "'α" appear in tty - WRONG! > (This is not 'α but ά) Oh, indeed, diacritics were completely broken with a newer perl version, and broken in utf-8 mode. I have fixed it in version 1.213. Samuel
Bug#1026986: console-setup: "Dead" keys do not work for Greek keyboard layout in tty
Package: console-setup Version: 1.205 Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: gessos.p...@gmail.com Dear Maintainer, I remember this annoying issue, in all Debian based distros, at least for the last 7 years. Initial Conditions: There is no X. I have only the tty. (Or there is a desktop environment installed but I am in the tty via Alt-Ctrl-Fx) I have 2 keyboard layouts "en,gr". With Alt-Shift key combination I AM IN GREEK KEYBOARD LAYOUT NOW. What MUST BE HAPPEN: Type KEY ; (in Greek is the CHAR "'") - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens Type KEY a (in Greek is the CHAR "α"). The CHAR "ά" must appear in tty (you have it with Alt+0940 key combination) Type KEY COMBINATION Shift-; (in Greek is the CHAR """) - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens Type KEY i (in Greek is the CHAR "ι"). The CHAR "ϊ" must appear in tty (you have it with Alt+0970 key combination) Type KEY ; (in Greek is the CHAR "'") - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens Type KEY COMBINATION Shift-; (in Greek is the CHAR """) - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens Type KEY y (in Greek is the CHAR "υ"). The CHAR "ΰ" must appear in tty (you have it with Alt+0944 key combination) More info here under the header "Greek" (plain): http://kbdlayout.info/features/deadkeys What REALLY HAPPENS Type KEY ; (in Greek is the CHAR "'") - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens - CORRECT Type KEY a (in Greek is the CHAR "α"). Two CHARs "'α" appear in tty - WRONG! (This is not 'α but ά) Type KEY COMBINATION Shift-; (in Greek is the CHAR """) - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens - CORRECT Type KEY i (in Greek is the CHAR "ι"). Two CHARs ""ι" appear in tty - WRONG! (This is not "ι but ϊ) Type KEY ; (in Greek is the CHAR "'") - This is a "dead" key and nothing happens - CORRECT Type KEY COMBINATION Shift-; (in Greek is the CHAR """) - The CHAR "'" appears in tty - WRONG! (This is a "dead" key and nothing must be happen) Type KEY y (in Greek is the CHAR "υ"). Two CHARx ""υ" appear in tty - WRONG! (This is not '"υ but ΰ) -- System Information: Debian Release: 11.6 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-20-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU threads) Locale: LANG=el_GR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=el_GR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Versions of packages console-setup depends on: ii console-setup-linux 1.205 ii debconf 1.5.77 ii keyboard-configuration 1.205 ii xkb-data2.29-2 console-setup recommends no packages. Versions of packages console-setup suggests: ii locales 2.31-13+deb11u5 ii lsb-base 11.1.0 Versions of packages keyboard-configuration depends on: ii debconf 1.5.77 ii liblocale-gettext-perl 1.07-4+b1 Versions of packages console-setup-linux depends on: ii init-system-helpers 1.60 ii kbd 2.3.0-3 ii keyboard-configuration 1.205 console-setup-linux suggests no packages. Versions of packages console-setup is related to: pn console-common pn console-data pn console-tools pn gnome-control-center ii kbd 2.3.0-3 ii systemd 247.3-7+deb11u1 -- debconf information: * keyboard-configuration/model: Generic 105-key PC (intl.) * keyboard-configuration/other: keyboard-configuration/unsupported_options: true * keyboard-configuration/layout: * keyboard-configuration/layoutcode: us,gr * keyboard-configuration/optionscode: grp:alt_shift_toggle,lv3:ralt_alt,grp_led:scroll * console-setup/charmap47: UTF-8 * console-setup/fontsize-fb47: 8x16 console-setup/fontsize: 8x16 console-setup/store_defaults_in_debconf_db: true keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_layout: true console-setup/use_system_font: console-setup/fontsize-text47: 8x16 console-setup/codesetcode: Greek keyboard-configuration/ctrl_alt_bksp: false keyboard-configuration/unsupported_layout: true * keyboard-configuration/toggle: Alt+Shift * keyboard-configuration/variantcode: , keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_options: true console-setup/framebuffer_only: * console-setup/codeset47: # Greek * keyboard-configuration/switch: No temporary switch debian-installer/console-setup-udeb/title: * keyboard-configuration/compose: No compose key * keyboard-configuration/store_defaults_in_debconf_db: true * keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap: gr * keyboard-configuration/altgr: No AltGr key * console-setup/fontface47: Fixed console-setup/guess_font: * keyboard-configuration/modelcode: pc105 * keyboard-configuration/variant: Ελληνικό
