Bug#262200: Re: Bug#262200: debian-installer: d-i downloads unneeded packages

2004-11-05 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi there,

 What suddenly makes it hard to download stuff? The network's still 
 there. Is this a design issue?

if you install from a modem connection anyway most people want to save
money by disconnecting after the packages are transmitted, thus the
installer would not be able to suck packages again without going through
all that networking stuff again.

Regards,
Philipp Kern


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Bug#262200: debian-installer: d-i downloads unneeded packages

2004-07-30 Thread John Summerfield
John wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal
I'm doing a network install via modem.
I've discovered d-i downloading, amongst others, jfs and lvm udebs.
I won't be using either, so this is simply wasted time.
I suggest that downloading and installing optional udebs be deferred
until it's clear they are wanted.
 

atm I'm downloading bits of the 2.4 kernel; the above was with 2.6. I 
note its downloading lots of kernel modules. I booted off a LAN, why not 
justput those modules in the initial ram disk?

AFAIK boot image size is only a problem if booting off floppies.
Or, have a second image that cab be downloaded by tftp. Then when the 
kernel and initrd are loaded by tftp, the installer's bootstrap can get 
a second image. The DHCP server can tell which server to use.


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Bug#262200: debian-installer: d-i downloads unneeded packages

2004-07-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 01:46:37PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 atm I'm downloading bits of the 2.4 kernel; the above was with 2.6. I 
 note its downloading lots of kernel modules. I booted off a LAN, why not 
 justput those modules in the initial ram disk?
 
 AFAIK boot image size is only a problem if booting off floppies.

If you want an initrd with everything, use the monolithic initrd; you
can probably manage to netboot it. The netboot image will stay small.

d-i downloads the components you mentioned because, at the moment, it
only gets one chance at downloading components, and therefore downloads
everything it needs to supply e.g. all the partitioning options we want
to make available.

 Or, have a second image that cab be downloaded by tftp. Then when the 
 kernel and initrd are loaded by tftp, the installer's bootstrap can get 
 a second image. The DHCP server can tell which server to use.

Wouldn't it be easier just to have a local mirror of the necessary
udebs?

Cheers,

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Bug#262200: debian-installer: d-i downloads unneeded packages

2004-07-30 Thread John Summerfield
Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 01:46:37PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 

atm I'm downloading bits of the 2.4 kernel; the above was with 2.6. I 
note its downloading lots of kernel modules. I booted off a LAN, why not 
justput those modules in the initial ram disk?

AFAIK boot image size is only a problem if booting off floppies.
   

If you want an initrd with everything, use the monolithic initrd; you
can probably manage to netboot it. The netboot image will stay small.
 

I went looking to see if I could find this monolithic initrd. I see a 
tarball in the sid installer direcory I've been using. Is this what you 
mean?

Looking at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/  I see a link 
to CD imaages. Those are out of the question, I'm not going to try to 
pull those through my modem.

The other boot images link actually points to the port status page. 
While there seem to be pointers to some more images there, there are 
none appropriate for me. I don't now see the link to Joey's dailies.

I'm pulling from Sid because I can get it locally.
d-i downloads the components you mentioned because, at the moment, it
only gets one chance at downloading components, and therefore downloads
everything it needs to supply e.g. all the partitioning options we want
to make available.
 

What suddenly makes it hard to download stuff? The network's still 
there. Is this a design issue?

 

Or, have a second image that cab be downloaded by tftp. Then when the 
kernel and initrd are loaded by tftp, the installer's bootstrap can get 
a second image. The DHCP server can tell which server to use.
   

Wouldn't it be easier just to have a local mirror of the necessary
udebs?
 

Not for occasional use, and certainly not while you're changing them so 
often, any mirror is soon out of date.

Hopefully I'll have adsl at home again soon and I won't care. Telstra 
said our new home is too far from the exchange, now it's change its 
mind. However, it will be a continuing problem for others.

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Bug#262200: debian-installer: d-i downloads unneeded packages

2004-07-29 Thread John
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

I'm doing a network install via modem.

I've discovered d-i downloading, amongst others, jfs and lvm udebs.

I won't be using either, so this is simply wasted time.

I suggest that downloading and installing optional udebs be deferred
until it's clear they are wanted.




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