Bug#270339: No option to install via NFS or local filesystem

2004-09-07 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 06:15:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
  - During partitioning, the new /home partition got ID 7 although I freed 
  ID 5 shortly before by deleting an old partition. This is IMHO good 
  default behaviour, but in expert mode maybe some people would like to 
  assign partition numbers by hand.
 
 A reasonable wishlist item..

I think we can not provide this unless partman relies on the particular
implementation of the various disk labels in parted.

Anton Zinoviev




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Bug#270339: No option to install via NFS or local filesystem

2004-09-07 Thread Jan Harnisch
Hello,
[install methods NFS or from local drive]

I doubt we're going to have time to support either of these install
methods for the sarge release. Although somone is welcome to prove me
wrong.
I'll gladly spend a pizza on this :-)

I think the best way to install in your situation is to boot from floppy
or network, and let the installer download everything over the network
from a Debian mirror.
That is what I finally did. Fortunately, I have access to a LAN (but I 
bet there are other laptop users out there who have not... maybe they 
join in with spending pizzas...)


I'm mildly interested in supporting installs _to_ nfs, but will not be
working on it until after sarge is released. I don't really see any
benefit in using nfs to download files; a web server is not hard to set
up.
Well... many (?) people have NFS, but no need for a private webserver...

- The region selection option in the main menu is only available if 
install drivers from floppy has been selected and a driver floppy 
(either cdrom or net) has been loaded; this seems a bit strange.

Yes, a known problem, but not a big enough deal to have been fixed.
Mainly because so few people can do an install without the network
drivers floppy.
Anyway, what is the purpose of this option? Does this only affect the 
installer, or does it influence the installed files? Since the time zone 
configuration menu is still in place, I could not quite figure this out, 
and the installation itself seems to work well without region selection.


- ping is not available on the console when setting up the network; this 
makes it a little hard to figure out whether the network has been 
configured properly if downloading packages fails.

Use wget.
Would it be reasonable to alias ping as wget --spider? Just as a 
little help to point unexperienced people like me in the right direction...

- In the screen prior to Harddisk partitioning there is one word too 
much (..Linux won't know anything nothing about the modifications...)

I don't know what screen you mean, and I cannot find Linux won't know
anything nothing anywhere in our source tree. Can you tell me the
title of the message and its complete content?
Sorry; although I tried several times, I did not get to see this message 
again. Strange... If you search the source tree again, best search for 
anything nothing or Linux won, not more (I hope there were no typos 
in this message that prevent you from finding it).
Unfortunately, I do not recall the full message; maybe it appeared due 
to the strange partitioning scheme I originally had on the harddisk.
If I see the message again, I will notify you immediately.

BTW, in my most recent installation, the first attempt to download the 
release file as well as the installer components from ftp.de.debian.org 
failed (as always) because of a timeout. The second attempt always works 
without problems. I really think this is not due to a network failure, 
but something that is wrong with the installer. If this is really the 
case, it would be nice to have a shorter download timeout.
Greetings  Best regards,

Jan
PS: with the installed system (kernel 2.4.27-686), I am having trouble 
getting DMA to work (hdparm says HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not 
permitted). If you are interested, I will keep you informed on this.

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Bug#270339: No option to install via NFS or local filesystem

2004-09-06 Thread Jan Harnisch
Package: installation-reports
Debian-installer-version: rc1 (20040801 from 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc1/images/floppy/)

uname -a: Linux sheratan 2.4.26-1-386 #2 Sat May 1 16:31:24 EST 2004 
i686 unknown
Date: 6. Sept. 2004
Method: floppy

Machine: IBM Thinkpad X22 with UltraBase-Floppy
Processor: PentiumIII/800
Memory: 128MB
Root Device: IDE (/dev/hda)
Root Size/partition table:
Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 20.0 GB, 20003880960 bytes
240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2584 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 15120 * 512 = 7741440 bytes
Device Boot  Start End 
 Blocks   Id  System
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1   *   1 646 
4883728+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 6471034 
2933280   83  Linux (/)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part310351099 
491400   82  Linux swap
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part411002478 
10425240f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part520182275 
1950448+  83  Linux (not mounted)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part622762478 
1534648+  83  Linux (not mounted)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part711001487 
2933217   83  Linux (/home)

Partition table entries are not in disk order
Output of lspci and lspci -n:
(lspci is not available; cat /proc/pci shows this:)
PCI devices found:
  Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82830 830 Chipset Host Bridge (rev 2).
  Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd000 [0xdfff].
  Bus  0, device   1, function  0:
PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82830 830 Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 2).
  Master Capable.  Latency=96.  Min Gnt=12.
  Bus  0, device  29, function  0:
USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1800 [0x181f].
  Bus  0, device  29, function  1:
USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1820 [0x183f].
  Bus  0, device  29, function  2:
USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #3) (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1840 [0x185f].
  Bus  0, device  30, function  0:
PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BAM/CAM PCI Bridge (rev 65).
  Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=4.
  Bus  0, device  31, function  0:
ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801CAM ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 1).
  Bus  0, device  31, function  1:
IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1860 [0x186f].
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x1000 [0x13ff].
  Bus  0, device  31, function  3:
SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM SMBus Controller (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1880 [0x189f].
  Bus  0, device  31, function  5:
Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio 
Controller (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  I/O at 0x1c00 [0x1cff].
  I/O at 0x18c0 [0x18ff].
  Bus  1, device   0, function  0:
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 
LY (rev 0).
  IRQ 11.
  Master Capable.  Latency=66.  Min Gnt=8.
  Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe000 [0xe7ff].
  I/O at 0x2000 [0x20ff].
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xc010 [0xc010].
  Bus  2, device   3, function  0:
CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev 128).
  IRQ 11.
  Master Capable.  Latency=168.  Min Gnt=128.Max Lat=5.
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x5000 [0x5fff].
  Bus  2, device   3, function  1:
CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (#2) (rev 128).
  IRQ 11.
  Master Capable.  Latency=168.  Min Gnt=128.Max Lat=5.
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x5010 [0x50100fff].
  Bus  2, device   5, function  0:
Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics WinModem 56k (rev 1).
  IRQ 11.
  Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=252.Max Lat=14.
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xc0201000 [0xc02010ff].
  I/O at 0x7440 [0x7447].
  I/O at 0x7000 [0x70ff].
  Bus  2, device   8, function  0:
Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) 
Ethernet Controller (rev 65).
  IRQ 11.
  Master Capable.  Latency=66.  Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56.
  Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xc020 [0xc0200fff].
  I/O at 0x7400 [0x743f].

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Initial boot worked:[0]
Configure network HW:   [0]
Config network: [0]
Detect CD:  [ ]
Load installer modules: [E/0] *
Detect hard drives: [0]
Partition hard drives:  [0]
Create file systems:[0]
Mount partitions:   [0]
Install base system:[E/0] *
Install boot loader:[0]
Reboot: [0]
Comments/Problems:
Originally, I intended to boot this Laptop from floppy and access the 
install 

Bug#270339: No option to install via NFS or local filesystem

2004-09-06 Thread Joey Hess
Jan Harnisch wrote:
 Originally, I intended to boot this Laptop from floppy and access the 
 install DVD inside my desktop PC via NFS (the Laptop does not have any 
 drives installed; only a floppy drive in the UltraBase). Unfortunately, 
 I had to see that there is apparently no way to access a NFS server 
 (unless, maybe, via TFTP boot, but here I needed to rely on existing 
 infrastructure). Alternatively, I would have had the possibility of 
 copying the installation files into an unused partition, but there also 
 seems to be no way of telling the installer where to find them. Please, 
 pleeease teach the installer how to use NFS or local drives... 
 Thankyouthankyouthankyou.

I doubt we're going to have time to support either of these install
methods for the sarge release. Although somone is welcome to prove me
wrong.

I think the best way to install in your situation is to boot from floppy
or network, and let the installer download everything over the network
from a Debian mirror. Alternatively, use the hd-media method to boot
from an existing partition and load files from an iso image on it.

I'm mildly interested in supporting installs _to_ nfs, but will not be
working on it until after sarge is released. I don't really see any
benefit in using nfs to download files; a web server is not hard to set
up.

 - The region selection option in the main menu is only available if 
 install drivers from floppy has been selected and a driver floppy 
 (either cdrom or net) has been loaded; this seems a bit strange.

Yes, a known problem, but not a big enough deal to have been fixed.
Mainly because so few people can do an install without the network
drivers floppy.

 - ping is not available on the console when setting up the network; this 
 makes it a little hard to figure out whether the network has been 
 configured properly if downloading packages fails.

Use wget.

 - In the screen prior to Harddisk partitioning there is one word too 
 much (..Linux won't know anything nothing about the modifications...)

I don't know what screen you mean, and I cannot find Linux won't know
anything nothing anywhere in our source tree. Can you tell me the
title of the message and its complete content?

 - During partitioning, the new /home partition got ID 7 although I freed 
 ID 5 shortly before by deleting an old partition. This is IMHO good 
 default behaviour, but in expert mode maybe some people would like to 
 assign partition numbers by hand.

A reasonable wishlist item..

 - When I did the install for the first time, I did not install a 
 bootloader, but tried to boot again with the floppy by using the 
 root=/dev/hda2 parameter. This option is ignored and the system boots 
 straight into the installation again. If there is still room left on the 
 floppies, maybe it would be nice to have a rescue mode or something.

There is no room left on the floppies.

-- 
see shy jo


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