Bug#758096: Blends in D-I tasksel selection? (Was: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough)
Hi, On 11.11.2014 11:59, Andreas Tille wrote: [...] As far as I can see without testing this means regarding the display of Blends in D-I (#758096) that we only need to *decide* and in case we want to do this add the needed bits of data. Any opinions regarding a decision? Tasksel supports a new Parent field now, that makes the display of different tasks look more organized. I guess it would be a good idea if blends-dev added support for it too, so that the Parent field plus parent task was automatically inserted into the *.desc file for tasksel. As far as debian-games is concerned, I could imagine the following: * Tasksel could depend on »games-tasks« and all tasks of the Debian Games Blend were available in tasksel. If I added a Parent field to all tasks, the menu would look like this one: []... adventure games []... arcade games []... board games and so on. For making it look similar to the desktop environment task, we would need an extra parent task, let's call it »task-games«. [] Debian Games []... adventure games []... arcade games []... board games Then I need to know whether this parent task should be added to tasksel's control file or to the »games-tasks« package. Although the current display is nested it is only one level deep but it really should be collapsible, otherwise we would have 100 different tasks for Blends alone in the top-level hierarchy which is rather confusing for users. I currently don't know how to implement it in debconf and whether this feature could make it into tasksel at all. This is probably the real blocker. * Another alternative might be to add only a reduced set of games related tasks to tasksel, »games-finest« and »games-finest-light« for low-end computers. I think both tasks are most useful if you want to transform your computer into some kind of gaming machine or just to get an overview about some good quality games. I could either provide a patch for tasksel's control file or I could reduce the *.desc file in »games-tasks« to the aforementioned tasks and tasksel would depend on them. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#758096: Blends in D-I tasksel selection? (Was: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough)
Hi, I guess the sad news that Joey Hess leaves Debian has spread also to Debian Blends list. The direct consequence for Blends is that Joey will not work on this bug (#758096) and will also most probably not rise any opinion on it any more but we somehow need to move on. I realised that the changelog says: ... tasksel (3.23) unstable; urgency=medium ... * Added a Parent field, which results in a simple nested hierarchy display. (Currently only one level deep, and not collapsible since debconf doesn't have an appropriate widget.) ... * Removed mail-server, dns-server, database-server, file-server tasks, which were not well enough defined to be useful and whose menu space will be better used for blends or openstack tasks. Closes: #604100 ... which according to Git (git://git.debian.org/git/tasksel/tasksel.git) relates to this commit. commit 9e2290b531e414ffb16e89b50cf5c44413fa71b8 Author: Joey Hess j...@kitenet.net Date: Sun Sep 7 22:45:02 2014 -0400 hierarchical tasks, desktop selection, and general massive changes ... * Added a Parent field, which results in a simple nested hierarchy display. (Currently only one level deep, and not collapsable since debconf doesn't have an appropriate widget.) ... * Removed mail-server, dns-server, database-server, file-server tasks, which were not well enough defined to be useful and whose menu space will be better used for blends or openstack tasks. ... This again shows Joey's great way to deal with things by simply working at something rather than doing a lot of talk. I really appreciate this - another thanks to Joey. As far as I can see without testing this means regarding the display of Blends in D-I (#758096) that we only need to *decide* and in case we want to do this add the needed bits of data. Any opinions regarding a decision? Kind regards Andreas. PS: I'll be AFK from 19. Nov to 3. Dez. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014105955.gn13...@an3as.eu
Bug#758096: Blends in D-I tasksel selection? (Was: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough)
On Tue 11 Nov, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi, I guess the sad news that Joey Hess leaves Debian has spread also to Debian Blends list. The direct consequence for Blends is that Joey will not work on this bug (#758096) and will also most probably not rise any opinion on it any more but we somehow need to move on. I realised that the changelog says: ... tasksel (3.23) unstable; urgency=medium ... * Added a Parent field, which results in a simple nested hierarchy display. (Currently only one level deep, and not collapsible since debconf doesn't have an appropriate widget.) ... * Removed mail-server, dns-server, database-server, file-server tasks, which were not well enough defined to be useful and whose menu space will be better used for blends or openstack tasks. Closes: #604100 ... which according to Git (git://git.debian.org/git/tasksel/tasksel.git) relates to this commit. commit 9e2290b531e414ffb16e89b50cf5c44413fa71b8 Author: Joey Hess j...@kitenet.net Date: Sun Sep 7 22:45:02 2014 -0400 hierarchical tasks, desktop selection, and general massive changes ... * Added a Parent field, which results in a simple nested hierarchy display. (Currently only one level deep, and not collapsable since debconf doesn't have an appropriate widget.) ... * Removed mail-server, dns-server, database-server, file-server tasks, which were not well enough defined to be useful and whose menu space will be better used for blends or openstack tasks. ... This again shows Joey's great way to deal with things by simply working at something rather than doing a lot of talk. I really appreciate this - another thanks to Joey. As far as I can see without testing this means regarding the display of Blends in D-I (#758096) that we only need to *decide* and in case we want to do this add the needed bits of data. Any opinions regarding a decision? Kind regards Andreas. PS: I'll be AFK from 19. Nov to 3. Dez. I understand the reasons for removing these tasks from tasksel in the installer but I think that some, especially mail-server, were a great help to inexperienced users because they set sensible defaults over all the included packages, and even for those not immediately included such as spamassassin. Could it be made available among the tasks listed by aptitude? -- Chris Bell www.chrisbell.org.uk Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/Marcel-1.53-160909-b45hjSf@riscpc.local3
Bug#758096: Blends in D-I tasksel selection? (Was: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough)
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 04:09:09PM +, Chris Bell wrote: I understand the reasons for removing these tasks from tasksel in the installer but I think that some, especially mail-server, were a great help to inexperienced users because they set sensible defaults over all the included packages, and even for those not immediately included such as spamassassin. Could it be made available among the tasks listed by aptitude? Sorry, could you please discuss this in the relevant bug. This bug was about *adding* something and not the removal. The arguments there were pretty convincing and I personally will not change this (if I ouwl touch tasksel at all). Thanks Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014173240.gc4...@an3as.eu
Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Package: tasksel Version: 3.20 Severity: important Tags: d-i Hi! Inspired by the last discussion about default gnome3 in the installer I want to say that now the tasksel itself very inconvenient. During installation, it just offers you with very broadly defined desktop environment, web server, mail server and etc. You can't choose what DE you want, what mail server you want etc; moreover you can't even know what each option is! I think it renders tasksel nearly useless - I must always uncheck all tasks and install everything manually. Some people said the same in that last discussion. tasksel should offer a selection (submenu?) for each option, at least with most popular packages. For example it's really critical that you should be able to select between KDE, XFCE and gnome3; maybe also MATE and etc. For mail server - at least exim/postfix... And so on. It seems it's a rather simple feature - maybe it's even possible to implement it before releasing jessie? -- System Information: Debian Release: jessie/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: amd64 Kernel: Linux 3.14-1-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ru_RU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to ru_RU.UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages tasksel depends on: ii apt 1.0.1 ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.52 ii liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-8 ii perl-base 5.18.2-2+b1 ii tasksel-data3.20 tasksel recommends no packages. tasksel suggests no packages. -- debconf information: tasksel/tasks: desktop tasksel/first: tasksel/desktop: xfce tasksel/title: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140814085243.c875c47e...@yourcmc.ru
Bug#758096: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Hi, On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 01:05:27PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote: Just filed the bugreport for tasksel (being inspired by the gnome discussion...) Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough Beeing inspired by the recent discussion on Blends list, I'd like to add a pointer to the thread basically starting here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-blends/2014/08/msg4.html Currently we can provide tasksel control files in the following Blends (packages): Debian Edu (edu-tasks) Debian Games (games-tasks) Debian GIS (gis-tasks) Debian Junior (junior-tasks) Debian Med (med-tasks) Debian Science (science-tasks) DebiChem (debichem-tasks) The packages contain a file /usr/share/tasksel/descs/blendname-tasks.desc and the usual stuff in /usr/share/doc/pkgname but nothing else. They are exclusively designed as tasksel input. IMHO it would do a nice service to our users to promote these topics on our installers at the time when tasks will be selected. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140814095210.gk26...@an3as.eu
Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Vitaliy Filippov vita...@yourcmc.ru (2014-08-14): Package: tasksel Version: 3.20 Severity: important Tags: d-i Hi! Inspired by the last discussion about default gnome3 in the installer I want to say that now the tasksel itself very inconvenient. During installation, it just offers you with very broadly defined desktop environment, web server, mail server and etc. You can't choose what DE you want, what mail server you want etc; moreover you can't even know what each option is! I think it renders tasksel nearly useless - I must always uncheck all tasks and install everything manually. Some people said the same in that last discussion. tasksel should offer a selection (submenu?) for each option, at least with most popular packages. For example it's really critical that you should be able to select between KDE, XFCE and gnome3; maybe also MATE and etc. For mail server - at least exim/postfix... And so on. It seems it's a rather simple feature - maybe it's even possible to implement it before releasing jessie? Did you read the first reply in this thread? Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#758096: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Hi Andreas, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu (2014-08-14): Beeing inspired by the recent discussion on Blends list, I'd like to add a pointer to the thread basically starting here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-blends/2014/08/msg4.html […] IMHO it would do a nice service to our users to promote these topics on our installers at the time when tasks will be selected. thanks but I'd rather not conflate both topics. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Did you read the first reply in this thread? Not sure which one you're talking about... This one? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00130.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20eca0ba8f060abd87ddaacf36c12...@yourcmc.ru
Bug#758096: Filed Bug#758096: tasksel: Allow to select specific packages during installation - just DE, Web server, Mail server is NOT enough
Hi Cyril, On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:28:52PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu (2014-08-14): Beeing inspired by the recent discussion on Blends list, I'd like to add a pointer to the thread basically starting here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-blends/2014/08/msg4.html […] IMHO it would do a nice service to our users to promote these topics on our installers at the time when tasks will be selected. thanks but I'd rather not conflate both topics. thanks for the hint. I filed #758116 about this. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140814113234.ga3...@an3as.eu
