Re: Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 3 mai 2015, 22.22:17 Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
 Hello,
 
 Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2015-05-03):
  So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?
 
 Yes please. I asked Didier to keep an eye on it but he pretended being
 busy with other topics. ;)

Ah sorry, I didn't understand your request that way. :)

The current status is that jessie has the text install by default, and 
we're most probably not going to toggle this now that jessie is out. 

I see you've changed the manual to reflect this, thanks.

As for stretch, I've pushed the change to the installer to make the 
graphical installer the default, so we'll need to update the manual in 
due time.

Cheers,
OdyX

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Re: Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 11:31:20PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 (Not sure why To/Cc were changed this way, but replying there anyway…)
 
 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com (2015-05-04):
  On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 10:22:17PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
   Hello,
   
   Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2015-05-03):
So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?
   
   Yes please. I asked Didier to keep an eye on it but he pretended being
   busy with other topics. ;)
  
  On the off-chance that this is a francism in English, and someone 
  might be offended, 'pretended' in English means 'acted as if', 
  whereas 'pretendre' in French means 'to claim', or to 'assert'.  I 
  presume that Didier was really busy with other topics, rather than 
  acting as if he was busy.
 
 Without claiming to master all aspects of the English language, I think
 I meant what I wrote.
 
 Pretty sure Didier can react on his own if he feels offended by casual
 teasing followed by a smiley (and preceded by the same kind of remark
 in an earlier IRC conversation)…
 
 
 KiBi.

That's fine, then.

When I first moved to Quebec and started reading stuff and listening 
to the radio in both languages I found myself pretty confused the news 
I was reading because of the persistent use of 'pretend' and 
'pretendre' as translaatis for each other.  It took a while before I 
figured out what was happening.

It's pretty common here, but not elsewhere, to hear 'pretend' used in 
English with the wrong meaning.

In fact the 'claim' meaning has survived in orthodox English in the 
archaic phrase 'pretender to the throne'.  My grade school English 
teacher was puzzled why anyone would be upset about someone 
merely pretending to be king.  It wasn't until decades later that I 
figured out what was going on with the word.

-- hendrik


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Re: Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
(Not sure why To/Cc were changed this way, but replying there anyway…)

Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com (2015-05-04):
 On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 10:22:17PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
  Hello,
  
  Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2015-05-03):
   So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?
  
  Yes please. I asked Didier to keep an eye on it but he pretended being
  busy with other topics. ;)
 
 On the off-chance that this is a francism in English, and someone 
 might be offended, 'pretended' in English means 'acted as if', 
 whereas 'pretendre' in French means 'to claim', or to 'assert'.  I 
 presume that Didier was really busy with other topics, rather than 
 acting as if he was busy.

Without claiming to master all aspects of the English language, I think
I meant what I wrote.

Pretty sure Didier can react on his own if he feels offended by casual
teasing followed by a smiley (and preceded by the same kind of remark
in an earlier IRC conversation)…


KiBi.


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Re: Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 10:22:17PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2015-05-03):
  So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?
 
 Yes please. I asked Didier to keep an eye on it but he pretended being
 busy with other topics. ;)

On the off-chance that this is a francism in English, and someone 
might be offended, 'pretended' in English means 'acted as if', 
whereas 'pretendre' in French means 'to claim', or to 'assert'.  I 
presume that Didier was really busy with other topics, rather than 
acting as if he was busy.

 
  (Or will the default be changed with a point release of Jessie,
  or something like that? In that case it's probably not worse to
  change the manual.)
 
 Such a change in jessie wouldn't seem reasonable to me.
 
 Mraw,
 KiBi.



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Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello,

Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2015-05-03):
 So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?

Yes please. I asked Didier to keep an eye on it but he pretended being
busy with other topics. ;)

 (Or will the default be changed with a point release of Jessie,
 or something like that? In that case it's probably not worse to
 change the manual.)

Such a change in jessie wouldn't seem reasonable to me.

Mraw,
KiBi.


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Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-05-03 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi,

Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote:
 Alan Jenkins alan.christopher.jenk...@gmail.com (2015-04-26):
  Package: installation-reports
  Severity: normal
  
  I've just installed debian-8.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso in a virtual machine.
  By default, the Install entry was selected.
  But the install guide says the default should be Graphical install.
  
  So maybe the default needs changing on the CD.  I have _not_ tried the DVD,
  but maybe that defaults to graphical and it's what the author checked.
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 yes, switching to graphical install by default was the plan but that
 didn't happen. I think it was spotted a few hours/days before the
 release, and I thought the docs were updated.
 
 That'll get checked by one of us shortly.

So, shall I revert the manual back to text install is default?
(Or will the default be changed with a point release of Jessie,
or something like that? In that case it's probably not worse to
change the manual.)


Holger

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Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-04-26 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Alan Jenkins alan.christopher.jenk...@gmail.com (2015-04-26):
 Package: installation-reports
 Severity: normal
 
 I've just installed debian-8.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso in a virtual machine.
 By default, the Install entry was selected.
 But the install guide says the default should be Graphical install.
 
 So maybe the default needs changing on the CD.  I have _not_ tried the DVD,
 but maybe that defaults to graphical and it's what the author checked.

Hi Alan,

yes, switching to graphical install by default was the plan but that
didn't happen. I think it was spotted a few hours/days before the
release, and I thought the docs were updated.

That'll get checked by one of us shortly.

Mraw,
KiBi.


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Bug#783358: installation-reports: Debian 8 CD - Graphical install is not the default (installation guide says it should be)

2015-04-26 Thread Alan Jenkins
Package: installation-reports
Severity: normal

I've just installed debian-8.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso in a virtual machine.
By default, the Install entry was selected.
But the install guide says the default should be Graphical install.

So maybe the default needs changing on the CD.  I have _not_ tried the DVD,
but maybe that defaults to graphical and it's what the author checked.

Happy Debian release day!
Alan


-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: CD drive of virtual machine (GNOME Boxes)
Image version: debian-8.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
Date: Sun 26 Apr 2015

Machine: GNOME Boxes virtual machine host, from Fedora 21
Partitions:

$ lsblk
NAME   MAJ:MIN RM  SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda  8:00   20G  0 disk 
├─sda1   8:10 19.1G  0 part /
├─sda2   8:201K  0 part 
└─sda5   8:50  880M  0 part [SWAP]
sr0 11:01  627M  0 rom

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [ O ]
Detect network card:[ O ]
Configure network:  [ O ]
Detect CD:  [ O ]
Load installer modules: [ O ]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ O ]
User/password setup:[ O ]
Detect hard drives: [ O ]
Partition hard drives:  [ O ]
Install base system:[ O ]
Install tasks:  [ O ]
Install boot loader:[ O ]
Overall install:[ O ]

Comments/Problems:

Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments
  and ideas you had during the initial install.


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DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Debian GNU/Linux installer
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8 (jessie) - installer build 20150422
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=cdrom

==
Installer hardware-summary:
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uname -a: Linux debian-test 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-2 
(2015-04-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
lspci -knn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 440FX - 82441FX PMC 
[Natoma] [8086:1237] (rev 02)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: 00:01.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 ISA 
[Natoma/Triton II] [8086:7000]
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: 00:01.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 IDE 
[Natoma/Triton II] [8086:7010]
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
lspci -knn: 00:01.3 Bridge [0680]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI 
[8086:7113] (rev 03)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Red Hat, Inc. QXL 
paravirtual graphic card [1b36:0100] (rev 04)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: 00:03.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter [10ec:8139] (rev 20)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: 8139cp
lspci -knn: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 
82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:2415] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: snd_intel8x0
lspci -knn: 00:05.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 
Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:2934] (rev 03)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
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lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
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Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:2936] (rev 03)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
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Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 [8086:293a] (rev 03)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:1100]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
lspci -knn: 00:06.0 Communication controller [0780]: Red Hat, Inc Virtio 
console [1af4:1003]
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Red Hat, Inc Device [1af4:0003]
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lspci -knn: 00:07.0 Unclassified device [00ff]: Red Hat, Inc Virtio memory 
balloon [1af4:1002]
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usb-list: 
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