Re: Can someone please speak with Frans, and ask him to stop humiliating me ?
> Regarding bubulle's statement at the end of the meeting, I thought that > statement was too early. I also found it nice, that you were at the meeting I took care of doing it in my own name and because I felt this was needed. So, in short, no it wasn't too early. For me at least. I prefectly understand and respect that others may feel differently, of course. But it was *my* statement..:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can someone please speak with Frans, and ask him to stop humiliating me ?
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 03:34:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Sven, > > On Monday 26 June 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote: > > This is not going to work, i have played nice, as Christian noted on > > saturday during the meeting, but over this past week, i got at least 4 > > different humiliation attempts from Frans, which are not waranted. I don't > > want to make a mess about this again, but this is not going to work under > > these conditions. > > Sven, can you please tell what those four humiliation attempts were. I doubt > there were ment as those. Frans lording over me, and saying stuff like : no, you are not allowed to work on that until you have my approval. The last iteration was when on debian-kernel i was trying a very very trivial patch for rootskel to recognize /dev/hvc* as serial consoles, and Bastian asked me to add the /dev/ttyS* thingy too, and i mentioned to Bastian that he could as well add it too, since he had svn access and i not, then immediately Frans piped in angrily saying : That would not be appreciated. I also clearly dislike how Frans is treating me, everyone is claiming that i have the right technical knowledge, but i need to get comments like the above from frans all around. This whole mess was a social problem, and the only info i got out of it is that Frans felt i didn't respect him enough, but he sure as hell is not making any effort to be respectable. > Also, think about Eleanor Roosevelt's great statement: "No One Can Make You > Feel Inferior Without Your Consent". Maybe, but it is a pain ... > Regarding bubulle's statement at the end of the meeting, I thought that > statement was too early. I also found it nice, that you were at the meeting > and that the meeting was productive, but I wouldn't have made that statement > so fast. Because, after all this what happened, it's impossible to say if > working together works well after just a few days (or one IRC meeting for > that matter). Sure, it was a first step. But the first step is always easier. The problem is that i am the only one making first steps, and as long as Frans fails to recognize his own responsability in what has happened, it will never work long term. But then when i say that, i am considered a whiner. > > Frans, if you want respect from your team members, humiliating them at each > > minor occasion is not going to do it, sorry, > > Sven, if you want respect from the team, don't take every single word as > personal attack against you. Well, its the fourth time, and i see no prove that it will ever change. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can someone please speak with Frans, and ask him to stop humiliating me ?
Hi Sven, On Monday 26 June 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote: > This is not going to work, i have played nice, as Christian noted on > saturday during the meeting, but over this past week, i got at least 4 > different humiliation attempts from Frans, which are not waranted. I don't > want to make a mess about this again, but this is not going to work under > these conditions. Sven, can you please tell what those four humiliation attempts were. I doubt there were ment as those. Also, think about Eleanor Roosevelt's great statement: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent". Regarding bubulle's statement at the end of the meeting, I thought that statement was too early. I also found it nice, that you were at the meeting and that the meeting was productive, but I wouldn't have made that statement so fast. Because, after all this what happened, it's impossible to say if working together works well after just a few days (or one IRC meeting for that matter). Sure, it was a first step. But the first step is always easier. > Frans, if you want respect from your team members, humiliating them at each > minor occasion is not going to do it, sorry, Sven, if you want respect from the team, don't take every single word as personal attack against you. regards, Holger pgpD2wigYvXBp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Can someone please speak with Frans, and ask him to stop humiliating me ?
Hi, ... This is not going to work, i have played nice, as Christian noted on saturday during the meeting, but over this past week, i got at least 4 different humiliation attempts from Frans, which are not waranted. I don't want to make a mess about this again, but this is not going to work under these conditions. Frans, if you want respect from your team members, humiliating them at each minor occasion is not going to do it, sorry, and respect has to be earned, not beated in like you are trying to do. Anthony, you said last week that you would try to mediate this issue again, and solve it in such a way satisfactory to all, but Frans is putting evident bad faith in this, and i don't see why i should take this longer. I did nothing technically wrong, that he needs to review all my changes, even those he has no clue about, and on the social side, he is clearly as much to blame than me. So, i will not make a long issue about this, i think i raised the issue enough last time, but i am trying to do productive work, and Frans is deliberately trying to stop me on this, and everyone should know about this. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]