Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Okay, that's a bit tricky: Under normal circumstances you would reboot > need to check, if your bios allows to boot from CD/DVD/Blu-ray, and > could then boot from your optical drive continuing with the > installation. Aren't most BIOSes set up to boot from removable media before hard disk? IMO this is a lot of noise about nothing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
[ readding debian-boot since the discussion is going to "their" topic ] Hi! Justin B Rye schrieb: [ several improvements ] Applied. > If that last sentence is trying to say "without having to boot from > it" (with the assumption that my BIOS wasn't set up to boot from > removable media by default in the first place) then I would suggest: > > The installer can also be started directly from Microsoft Windows. Okay, that's a bit tricky: Under normal circumstances you would reboot need to check, if your bios allows to boot from CD/DVD/Blu-ray, and could then boot from your optical drive continuing with the installation. With win32-loader you can insert your disc while running windows. It will add an entry to Windows boot loader (including some settings like timezone and language IIRC) and when you reboot you can start the installation process from windows boot menu without needing to check your bios settings. (d-i folk, is that summary correct?) There was some discussion on the debian-boot list about that, while searching for a good phrase for that. Currently that sentence has been removed, but maybe you can come up with something? Best regards, Alexander signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 22:45, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Christian Perrier schrieb: > >> Given that it might be hard to explain what *exactly* win32-loader is >> doing, I think it could be safer to drop this new feature from the >> announcement. > > Did so when the discussion started waiting for a consensus. Seems we > reached it ;) Dunno, I think this feature is very important for non-tech-savvy users. Thus, it's a good selling point which means it would be good to mention it in the release announcement which a lot of people will read. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hi! Christian Perrier schrieb: > Given that it might be hard to explain what *exactly* win32-loader is > doing, I think it could be safer to drop this new feature from the > announcement. Did so when the discussion started waiting for a consensus. Seems we reached it ;) Best regards, Alexander signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Quoting Jérémy Bobbio (lu...@debian.org): > > That doesnt really have to do anything with Windows. Or if, it should be > > explained how/why. > > I wanted to highlight the inclusion of win32-loader. But maybe this > does not fit the release announcement and should just be dropped > completely. Given that it might be hard to explain what *exactly* win32-loader is doing, I think it could be safer to drop this new feature from the announcement. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Richard Hartmann writes: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:25, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > >> That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the >> installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS >> boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running >> during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. > > That does not seem to make sense. Qemu or some such (if it runs > on Windows) sounds more likely than unloading the Windows kernel > on the fly. Indeed, I was wrong. win32-loader configures the Windows boot loader to optionally start the Debian Installer (and also preconfigures some settings like locale, timezone etc. based on the Windows settings). So a reboot is still needed to actually start the installer, but there's no need to boot from a separate device. See http://goodbye-microsoft.com/demo.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H937zZidIZk for a video demo. -- Sorry for the confusion, Feri. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 13:45, Holger Levsen wrote: > "There is also a new tool for Windows users, win32-loader which can modifiy s/win32-loader/win32-loader,/ > the boot.ini from Windows, so it's possible to install Debian without > touching the BIOS." touching the BIOS to change the boot device priority. That was the reason why this discussion started in the first place ;) Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hi, thanks Paul for the explaination! On Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > > For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > > without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. Maybe something like this is better: "There is also a new tool for Windows users, win32-loader which can modifiy the boot.ini from Windows, so it's possible to install Debian without touching the BIOS." regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:18:34PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2009, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > > >> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > > >> without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. > > > What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need > > > to reconfigure the bios? > > To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. > > That doesnt really have to do anything with Windows. Or if, it should be > explained how/why. I wanted to highlight the inclusion of win32-loader. But maybe this does not fit the release announcement and should just be dropped completely. Cheers, -- Jérémy Bobbio.''`. lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ : # apt-get install anarchism `. `'` `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the > installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS > boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running > during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. Wrong, win32-loader adds grub to the Windows boot.ini and you can then reboot and choose to boot d-i via grub-win32 (or Windows) from the Windows bootloader menu. reboot-less installs under Windows could be done with coLinux perhaps: http://www.colinux.org/ http://www.andlinux.org/ There are also WUBI, Instlux, UNetbootin, Lubi, Mubi and LVPM. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:25, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the > installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS > boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running > during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. That does not seem to make sense. Qemu or some such (if it runs on Windows) sounds more likely than unloading the Windows kernel on the fly. But as I said, this is too important for speculation, we need something in the know to explain what is meant by the initial sentence. The -boot list is CC, so that should not be too much of a problem :) Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:18, Holger Levsen wrote: > That doesnt really have to do anything with Windows. Or if, it should be > explained how/why. Because the installer carries executables for Windows only (well, and Linux). You are right though, it should be explained why. Why the confusion right now, we should prolly wait for someone from the installer team to chip in. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
As I understand, this may has a whole other meaning, when installing Debian on a HDD that has a Windows installation, I wanted to use grub to load linux, but didn`t like installing it to the MBR, so I installed it on the Debian root partition boot record, after the installation procedure, I needed to set the Debian partition active in order to keep my mbr as is, and be able to run the Debian system. so maybe the Debian installer makes the debian partition active if you instruct grub to install its self on the root partition? Ferenc Wagner wrote: Richard Hartmann writes: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:50, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Holger Levsen writes: On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need to reconfigure the bios? To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. Makes sense. In that case, the sentence should be clearer, though. _Assuming_ this is correct, how about: --- The installer can now modify the boot sector of a running Windows, enabling the user to install Debian without the need to reconfigure the BIOS to boot from the installation CD. --- That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. So those who don't run Windows (or don't use the win32-loader) still have to reboot to start the installer, and thus ensure that the BIOS boots their installer media, not the current OS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Richard Hartmann writes: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:50, Ferenc Wagner wrote: >> Holger Levsen writes: >> >>> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: >>> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. >>> >>> What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need >>> to reconfigure the bios? >> >> To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. > > Makes sense. In that case, the sentence should be clearer, though. > > _Assuming_ this is correct, how about: > > --- > The installer can now modify the boot sector of a running Windows, > enabling the user to install Debian without the need to reconfigure > the BIOS to boot from the installation CD. > --- That sounds fishy. As I understand it, win32-loader can start the installer from Windows, not needing a reboot (thus not needing BIOS boot order reconfiguration either). I doubt Windows stays running during installation, rather it's replaced by the Debian Installer. So those who don't run Windows (or don't use the win32-loader) still have to reboot to start the installer, and thus ensure that the BIOS boots their installer media, not the current OS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) -- Cheers, Feri. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hi, On Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2009, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > >> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > >> without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. > > What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need > > to reconfigure the bios? > To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. That doesnt really have to do anything with Windows. Or if, it should be explained how/why. regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:50, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > Holger Levsen writes: > >> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: >> >>> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started >>> without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. >> >> What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need >> to reconfigure the bios? > > To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. Makes sense. In that case, the sentence should be clearer, though. _Assuming_ this is correct, how about: --- The installer can now modify the boot sector of a running Windows, enabling the user to install Debian without the need to reconfigure the BIOS to boot from the installation CD. --- Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Holger Levsen writes: > On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: > >> For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started >> without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. > > What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need > to reconfigure the bios? To boot from CD instead of HDD, I guess. -- Feri. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hi, On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: [good paragraph deleted :)] > For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. What does that sentence mean? Why should (only) Windows users need to reconfigure the bios? regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Quoting Jérémy Bobbio (lu...@debian.org): > How about something like: > > The installation process for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 has been improved in > many ways: support for installation from more than 1 CD or DVD has been > restored, firmware required by some devices can be loaded by using > external USB media, security updates are installed before the initial s/external USB/removable? > reboot when available, and many other improvements. The installer boot > process has also received many attention: a graphical menu can be used > to choose desktop environments, frontends and select expert or rescue > mode. For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. This is maybe a bit long. The sentence about the boot process should maybe be shorter, or even dropped (after all, this is not the most important new feature). Talking about the boot process of the installer might be confusing and lead people to think they will be able to choose among desktop environments..on the installed system..:-) This is a press release, after all, so not really meant to be carefully read by its readers..:) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hello, There is a possibility to include my banner [1] ? Perhaps some screenshots... Link: http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/media/files/si0ux/486 Thanks! 2009/2/10 Jérémy Bobbio : > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 06:32:52PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: >> Quoting Alexander Reichle-Schmehl (alexan...@schmehl.info): >> >> > Especially the second and third paragraphs need a better replacement; maybe >> > the d-i or cd folks have a good idea about that? >> >> Let's try to get ideas for the D-I paragraph. >> >> > >> >> So, for Etch, we were putting light on encrypted partitions and >> graphical installer. >> >> What do we want to talk about in more details ? > > How about something like: > > The installation process for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 has been improved in > many ways: support for installation from more than 1 CD or DVD has been > restored, firmware required by some devices can be loaded by using > external USB media, security updates are installed before the initial > reboot when available, and many other improvements. The installer boot > process has also received many attention: a graphical menu can be used > to choose desktop environments, frontends and select expert or rescue > mode. For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started > without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. > > > That's an initial try, please improve/rewrite as needed. IMHO, Debian > Live requires a specific section in this announcement. > > Cheers, > -- > Jérémy Bobbio.''`. > lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ : # apt-get install anarchism >`. `'` > `- > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmRe2UACgkQ2PUjs9fQ72U8fACfVEeHzjPvUF/sgKACBtz7eRNA > NgkAmwbxsPA8YEgZkFt3OiUSm677s2fU > =6prP > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Andre Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira (si0ux) - andre...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 06:32:52PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Alexander Reichle-Schmehl (alexan...@schmehl.info): > > > Especially the second and third paragraphs need a better replacement; maybe > > the d-i or cd folks have a good idea about that? > > Let's try to get ideas for the D-I paragraph. > > > > > So, for Etch, we were putting light on encrypted partitions and > graphical installer. > > What do we want to talk about in more details ? How about something like: The installation process for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 has been improved in many ways: support for installation from more than 1 CD or DVD has been restored, firmware required by some devices can be loaded by using external USB media, security updates are installed before the initial reboot when available, and many other improvements. The installer boot process has also received many attention: a graphical menu can be used to choose desktop environments, frontends and select expert or rescue mode. For Microsoft Windows users, the installer can also be started without having to reconfigure the system BIOS. That's an initial try, please improve/rewrite as needed. IMHO, Debian Live requires a specific section in this announcement. Cheers, -- Jérémy Bobbio.''`. lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ : # apt-get install anarchism `. `'` `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Quoting Alexander Reichle-Schmehl (alexan...@schmehl.info): > Especially the second and third paragraphs need a better replacement; maybe > the d-i or cd folks have a good idea about that? Let's try to get ideas for the D-I paragraph. > > > So, for Etch, we were putting light on encrypted partitions and graphical installer. What do we want to talk about in more details ? From our release announcements, the most noteworthy improvements were: Beta 1: - support for more than 1 CD/DVD (was a "regression" in Etch) - NTP clock sync - support for volatile - support for installs from Windows - SATA RAID support Beta 2: - friendlier boot menu on i386/amd64 (graphical installer more visible) - improvements to the language/country selection RC1: - support for Live CD - firmware loading during install - early upgrade of packages wrt security (before booting the installed system) - support for MMC/SD cards as removable media during the install RC2: (none noteworthy enough, I mean) I'd personnaly vote for putting 3 of these in light: - early upgrade security-wise - firmware loading from removable media - Live CD ...and maybe keep the l10n sentence by replacing 58 by 63...:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On 2009-02-09, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --040603030801070601030404 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > [ Sorry for the cross post; just trying to make sure everyone is aware of > the current state ] > > > Hi! > > Attached you'll find the current draft of the announcement for the lenny > release. Based upon the announcement for the last release it's far from > ready :( Maybe add a new about all the fancy games that are included in Lenny? Nexuiz, OpenArena, Battle for Wesnoth, FreeCiv, FreeCol, SuperTux, Torcs? And you should mention GoPlay, which allows comfortable browsing of games. Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Draft for lenny release announcement
[ Sorry for the cross post; just trying to make sure everyone is aware of the current state ] Hi! Attached you'll find the current draft of the announcement for the lenny release. Based upon the announcement for the last release it's far from ready :( Especially the second and third paragraphs need a better replacement; maybe the d-i or cd folks have a good idea about that? I tried my best to make the draft based on http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and own experience but I'm sure I missed important thing. So please feel free to point out really important changes, which should be mentioned in the announcement. About the timeline... Hopefully we'll release next Saturday... So I would like to see the content of the announcement finished by Wednesday and use the remaining time for reviewing and translating the announcement. -l10n-english and -i18n will that be enough time for you? I know that ideally translators would work on a frozen version of the announcement, but I fear that won't fit into the remaining time. The most current version may be found in a private subversion repository (to avoid conflicts when using the wiki). You can get the most recent version from http://svn.schmehl.info/svn/debian-publicity/20090214-lenny-release/lenny-announcement.en.wml ; translators might later be interested in http://svn.schmehl.info/websvn/listing.php?repname=debian-publicity&path=%2F20090214-lenny-release%2F&rev=0&sc=0 to track changes in the document. Best regards, Alexander PS: I set reply-to to the publicity list, but feel free to follow up to an other list when discussing specific points (like translations); I'll try to follow the discussion on all lists. Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 released 2009-02-14 #use wml::debian::news The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0, codenamed etch, after 22 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME Xfce and lxde desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.2 of the LSB. Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from earlier versions. Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64). This includes support for Marvell's Orion platform or devices based on the Orion platform, like QNAP Turbo Station, HP mv2120, and Buffalo Kurobox Pro. With the integration of X.org 7.3 the X server autoconfigures itself with most hardware. Newly introduced packages allow the full support of NTFS filesystems or the usage of most multimedia keys out of the box. Support for Macromedias Flash format is available via the swfdec plugin. Overall improvements for notebooks have been introduced, like out of the box support of CPU frequency scaling. The integration of OpenJDK, a free version of Sun's Java technology, into Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 made it possible to ship Java based applications in Debians "main" repository. Further improvement regarding the security of the system include the installation of available security updates before the first reboot by the installation system, the reduction of setuid root binaries and open ports in the standard installation as well as building several security-critical packages with GCC Hardening features. Various applications have specific improvements, too. PHP for example is now built with the Suhosin hardening patch. Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE), the Xfce or the lxde desktop can be installed through two new alternative CD images. Again available with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of multiple architectures from a single disc as well as Blue Ray Discs allowing the archive for an entire architecture to be shipped on a single installation medium. Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorrent (the recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see Debian GNU/Linux on CDs for further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors, too. This release includes a numb
