Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Hi Joey, * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 20:30]: | Shouldn't be necessary, I can add a nfs-modules udeb easily with nfs.o | on it. However, you would have to make sure that the initrd of the | installer system knew how to use nfs as the root filesystem. are there any plans to support nfs as an installation source? If so we need the nfs module anyway. So I guess it's a good idea to include it in the installer. The initrd of the "installer" or the "installed" system? I guess only the installed system needs to know anything about nfs as root filesystem. Bye Thorsten -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Hi Erik, * Erik Dykema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 21:32]: | Sounds like a plan, I'd like to start. Where can I find the | documentation that tells me what a "udeb" is and how to make one? Also | is the API, or however I would interact with d-i to ask the user | questions, documented somewhere? have a look at one of the already available udebs in the CVS tree on alioth[1]. Bye Thorsten [1] alioth.debian.org -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Thorsten Sauter wrote: * Erik Dykema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 19:35]: | Hi- | I think it would be very useful to support installing onto NFS | volumes. | At my site we operate these big netapp NFS file servers (filers). | They have no intelligence except to serve NFS volumes, i.e. there is no | real 'os' on them. | If we could support installing TO an NFS root, we could use diskless | workstations & servers that would install to their own volume on the | filers. Then, the filer takes care of stuff like redundancy. | This might also help for a situation where the NFS master server is | one architecture (i386) and the machine you want to install 'to' is | different, i.e. powerpc / mainframe. | Also, I think that it would be very useful if DI supported | installing FROM an NFS volume. Using an NFS volume is more flexible for | testers than the initrd.gz files. If the kernel supported NFS root, could | just mount it's root directory & init & etc, it would be possible to tinker | with a running installer system, add drivers as needed, etc. without | having to re-make the initrd.gz file, which is not easy. ok. I know what you mean. Bringing nfs support to d-i shouldn't be very hard. But you must create your own installation medium, I guess. First you must modify the existing d-i kernel to support nfs filesystems (in client mode). Next you must create udebs for the portmap package and the nfs client tools. Maybe you need also a small udeb, which ask the user for the nfs mounting parameters (server, port, etc.). And then you must mount the nfs volume into /target. (this udeb must provide mounted-partitions). After this d-i should be able to install to an nfs volume. Create the udebs, and d-i will support it :-) Hi- Sounds like a plan, I'd like to start. Where can I find the documentation that tells me what a "udeb" is and how to make one? Also is the API, or however I would interact with d-i to ask the user questions, documented somewhere? thanks, Erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Thorsten Sauter wrote: > First you must modify the existing d-i kernel to support nfs filesystems > (in client mode). Shouldn't be necessary, I can add a nfs-modules udeb easily with nfs.o on it. However, you would have to make sure that the initrd of the installer system knew how to use nfs as the root filesystem. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
* Erik Dykema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 19:35]: | Hi- | I think it would be very useful to support installing onto NFS | volumes. | At my site we operate these big netapp NFS file servers (filers). | They have no intelligence except to serve NFS volumes, i.e. there is no | real 'os' on them. | If we could support installing TO an NFS root, we could use diskless | workstations & servers that would install to their own volume on the | filers. Then, the filer takes care of stuff like redundancy. | This might also help for a situation where the NFS master server is | one architecture (i386) and the machine you want to install 'to' is | different, i.e. powerpc / mainframe. | Also, I think that it would be very useful if DI supported | installing FROM an NFS volume. Using an NFS volume is more flexible for | testers than the initrd.gz files. If the kernel supported NFS root, could | just mount it's root directory & init & etc, it would be possible to tinker | with a running installer system, add drivers as needed, etc. without | having to re-make the initrd.gz file, which is not easy. ok. I know what you mean. Bringing nfs support to d-i shouldn't be very hard. But you must create your own installation medium, I guess. First you must modify the existing d-i kernel to support nfs filesystems (in client mode). Next you must create udebs for the portmap package and the nfs client tools. Maybe you need also a small udeb, which ask the user for the nfs mounting parameters (server, port, etc.). And then you must mount the nfs volume into /target. (this udeb must provide mounted-partitions). After this d-i should be able to install to an nfs volume. Create the udebs, and d-i will support it :-) Bye Thorsten -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Thorsten Sauter wrote: Hi Lee, * Lee Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-02 22:35]: | Any help would be much appreciated, even if its just a simple "sorry not | supported yet message" cos at the moment i'm just convinced i'm doing | something dumb ! yes. That's is. NFS isn't supported by the debian-installer boot kernel, so you will be unable to mount *any* nfs partition. This kernel option isn't enough for nfs access. You will also need the nfs userland binaries and of course the portmapper program. All of them are not available in d-i (yet?). If you install you main-system kernel at a later point in d-i you will run into the next problem. No of the debian default kernels support nfsroot out-of-the-box. So you must provide your own mirror/cdrom to install d-i with such custom requirements. I can't see the point why we should support installing on nfs volumes. You can simply debootstrap in on the nfs master machine, or if it isn't a Linux system you can easily copy the contents from an other machine into the nfsroot. Bye Thorsten p.s. I don't think Sarge will run without any changes in the initscripts from a nfsroot (ro) Hi- I think it would be very useful to support installing onto NFS volumes. At my site we operate these big netapp NFS file servers (filers). They have no intelligence except to serve NFS volumes, i.e. there is no real 'os' on them. If we could support installing TO an NFS root, we could use diskless workstations & servers that would install to their own volume on the filers. Then, the filer takes care of stuff like redundancy. This might also help for a situation where the NFS master server is one architecture (i386) and the machine you want to install 'to' is different, i.e. powerpc / mainframe. Also, I think that it would be very useful if DI supported installing FROM an NFS volume. Using an NFS volume is more flexible for testers than the initrd.gz files. If the kernel supported NFS root, could just mount it's root directory & init & etc, it would be possible to tinker with a running installer system, add drivers as needed, etc. without having to re-make the initrd.gz file, which is not easy. erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Hi Lee, * Lee Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-02 22:35]: | Any help would be much appreciated, even if its just a simple "sorry not | supported yet message" cos at the moment i'm just convinced i'm doing | something dumb ! yes. That's is. NFS isn't supported by the debian-installer boot kernel, so you will be unable to mount *any* nfs partition. This kernel option isn't enough for nfs access. You will also need the nfs userland binaries and of course the portmapper program. All of them are not available in d-i (yet?). If you install you main-system kernel at a later point in d-i you will run into the next problem. No of the debian default kernels support nfsroot out-of-the-box. So you must provide your own mirror/cdrom to install d-i with such custom requirements. I can't see the point why we should support installing on nfs volumes. You can simply debootstrap in on the nfs master machine, or if it isn't a Linux system you can easily copy the contents from an other machine into the nfsroot. Bye Thorsten p.s. I don't think Sarge will run without any changes in the initscripts from a nfsroot (ro) -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 09:35:07PM +, Lee Mitchell wrote: > Hi folks, > Hope this is the right place to ask... > > I've been playing around with a Mini ITX machine (VIA M1) and > previously had woody installed and configured to boot using PXE and tftp > with its root filesystem mounted via NFS from another machine. > > However, I get bored easilly, so decided to have a play with sarge and > its new wizzo installer :-) > > My question is, where do i tell the install process that i want to use a > root filesystem that is mounted from NFS ? > > There are no disks whatsoever in this machine, and the install proces > doesn't seem too keen on letting me install it on anything other than a > local disk. > > I've tried mounting the exported filesystem manually in a console but > the version of mount doesn't appear to support nfs (maybe i'm just doing > something stupid here). > > I'm using the netboot images from here :- > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ > > > > Any help would be much appreciated, even if its just a simple "sorry not > supported yet message" cos at the moment i'm just convinced i'm doing > something dumb ! Hey, that allows me to make some noise :-) nfsroot is AFAIK a kernel compile option. check the config of the install kernel. > > Up to the mounting a filesystem bit though, i'm impressed with the new > installer. It detects my not so common hardware fine and configures the > network ok, so well done folks, looks like its gonna be great when done ! > > Cheers > > Lee Mitchell > Geert Stappers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Install Sarge on a diskless workstation ?
Hi folks, Hope this is the right place to ask... I've been playing around with a Mini ITX machine (VIA M1) and previously had woody installed and configured to boot using PXE and tftp with its root filesystem mounted via NFS from another machine. However, I get bored easilly, so decided to have a play with sarge and its new wizzo installer :-) My question is, where do i tell the install process that i want to use a root filesystem that is mounted from NFS ? There are no disks whatsoever in this machine, and the install proces doesn't seem too keen on letting me install it on anything other than a local disk. I've tried mounting the exported filesystem manually in a console but the version of mount doesn't appear to support nfs (maybe i'm just doing something stupid here). I'm using the netboot images from here :- http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ Any help would be much appreciated, even if its just a simple "sorry not supported yet message" cos at the moment i'm just convinced i'm doing something dumb ! Up to the mounting a filesystem bit though, i'm impressed with the new installer. It detects my not so common hardware fine and configures the network ok, so well done folks, looks like its gonna be great when done ! Cheers Lee Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
