Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Hello, Christian PERRIER, le Sat 04 Sep 2010 23:06:40 +0200, a écrit : > There is still work to do for instance to > ahave the virtual keyboard only when needed, as well as adding a > calibration test and skipping the keymap selection. I'd just like to mention that this can also be an accessibility feature, so please provide a way to select it by hand even on machines where it'd not normally be needed. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100904215253.gm22...@const
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org): > Hi, > > Christian PERRIER (04/09/2010): > > At very first glance, things are working: I just click on the > > virtual keyboard and letters are entered. > > does it sound something like you (-boot) would want for Squeeze? That > they (-release) would let flow in? In which case I'd have an udeb to > add to an X package. At very first glance, I think this is a little bit too early for having all this in squeeze. There is still work to do for instance to ahave the virtual keyboard only when needed, as well as adding a calibration test and skipping the keymap selection. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Hi, Christian PERRIER (04/09/2010): > At very first glance, things are working: I just click on the > virtual keyboard and letters are entered. does it sound something like you (-boot) would want for Squeeze? That they (-release) would let flow in? In which case I'd have an udeb to add to an X package. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com): > Looking at the layout file, those keys are supposed to be the > directional arrows, but no idea why they aren't displayed (they aren't > on my laptop, which obviously can display them). I'm going to take a > look at the code. Fonts for g-i are stripped. All glyphs that aren't used in D-I are dropped, for size considerations. So, I'm indeed not surprised that arows don't show up. -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Le samedi 04 septembre 2010 à 07:44 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit : > (CC'ing you as I answer quite late and you might miss the answer. No > need to CC me back) (no need to CC me, I'm suscribed to the list) > Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com): > [...] > At very first glance, things are working: I just click on the virtual > keyboard and letters are entered. Thanks for your interest :) > A few comments: > - we'll need to have a way to activate this only for devices/machines > that need it. Yeah, but I'm not too sure about how to do this... maybe test if there is a touchscreen? I was planning to see if I can make a xinput-calibrator udeb in order to callibrate the touchscreen (for now, I'm shipping a calibration file). On my laptop, where I have no touchscreen, it says so and exit, maybe we can call it to calibrate the screen, then, if there is one, launch matchbox and matchbox-keyboard? > Probably in place of the standard keymap selection that > means nothing for such machines, I guess (moreover, I did choose the > French layout but the virtual keymap has a QWERTY layout Yeah, I'm only using the default one. Selecting the user-chosen layout would make sense, but matchbox-keyboard provides its own layouts. > - The äëö key is strange. Hitting it turns "e" into "ë", but not "a" > and "o". It also turns "2" to "1/2" and "3" to "3/4". That's how the default layout work, but indeed, that is strange, and I can't see why they made it that way (after all, it's the "äëö" key, why do only "e" => "ë"?). I can take care of that and improve a bit the layout, but I'm not really aware of the upstream situation. > - there are 4 keys at the bottom right, close to "@" that have simple > squares as symbols (probably characters dropped from the font used in D-I). Looking at the layout file, those keys are supposed to be the directional arrows, but no idea why they aren't displayed (they aren't on my laptop, which obviously can display them). I'm going to take a look at the code. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
(CC'ing you as I answer quite late and you might miss the answer. No need to CC me back) Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com): > > If you want to try, I can build an image for x86/qemu right now. > > "Right now"... well, here it is, but be patient, it's behind my home > connection! > http://www.sitedethib.com/files/mini.iso Downloaded the image. I gavce it a first try. At very first glance, things are working: I just click on the virtual keyboard and letters are entered. A few comments: - we'll need to have a way to activate this only for devices/machines that need it. Probably in place of the standard keymap selection that means nothing for such machines, I guess (moreover, I did choose the French layout but the virtual keymap has a QWERTY layout - The äëö key is strange. Hitting it turns "e" into "ë", but not "a" and "o". It also turns "2" to "1/2" and "3" to "3/4". - there are 4 keys at the bottom right, close to "@" that have simple squares as symbols (probably characters dropped from the font used in D-I). -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 16:42 +0200, Thibaut Girka a écrit : > Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 09:09 -0400, Christian PERRIER a écrit : > > Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com): > > > [...] > > > (I have patches for that, should I file a bug against the adequate > > > packages, with the patches included?). > > > > Sure, to guarantee that nothing is lost. > > Ok, will do that soon. Done: #592504, #592505, #593090 and #593093. #592505 (libfakekey0) and #593090 (matchbox-keyboard-udeb) have already been closed, but the packages will need a binNMU (they have been uploaded despite #592504 blocking them) when libxtst6-udeb will be available. > > Great work, anyway. Even though I haven't seen this, I think your > > descriptions gives a good picture of all this. > > Thanks > If you want to try, I can build an image for x86/qemu right now. "Right now"... well, here it is, but be patient, it's behind my home connection! http://www.sitedethib.com/files/mini.iso signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 09:09 -0400, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
> Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com):
> > Hi,
> > Lately, I've been trying g-i on the FreeRunner, and one of the obvious
> > issues is that the FR doesn't have a keyboard.
> > So, I've decided to make a matchbox-keyboard udeb.
> > First thing is that it requires a few libs which don't have a udeb yet
> > (I have patches for that, should I file a bug against the adequate
> > packages, with the patches included?).
>
> Sure, to guarantee that nothing is lost.
Ok, will do that soon.
> > Second thing is that it needs a window manager (otherwise, it'll be
> > misplaced, cover g-i, and take focus when clicking on it, which defeats
> > the purpose of an on-screen keyboard).
> > So, I've made a matchbox-window-manager udeb, configured differently
> > from the matchbox-window-manager package so it depends only on things
> > that already have a udeb.
> >
> > For now, each of the two packages ship a script
> > in /lib/debian-installer.d/ to start (unconditionally. How to be sure
> > there is no keyboard? Query X? udev? And I've heard about security keys
> > that behaves like keyboards...) after X.
> > Should this files be shipped in those packages, or in some other package
> > (rootskel-gtk, or some package made for the occasion)?
>
>
> Would be nice to have this in D-I SVN. Maybe first under people/
> before we move it to packages/ when things are reviewed/ready.
Well, those (matchbox-{window-manager,keyboard}-udeb) are built from the
same packages than matchbox-window-manager and matchbox-keyboard, so, it
shouldn't be in packages/.
I'll file a bug when I'm sure about the /lib/debian-installer.d/ thing.
> Great work, anyway. Even though I haven't seen this, I think your
> descriptions gives a good picture of all this.
Thanks
If you want to try, I can build an image for x86/qemu right now.
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Re: On-screen keyboard for g-i
Quoting Thibaut Girka (t...@sitedethib.com): > Hi, > Lately, I've been trying g-i on the FreeRunner, and one of the obvious > issues is that the FR doesn't have a keyboard. > So, I've decided to make a matchbox-keyboard udeb. > First thing is that it requires a few libs which don't have a udeb yet > (I have patches for that, should I file a bug against the adequate > packages, with the patches included?). Sure, to guarantee that nothing is lost. Please give as many details as possible about your work on D-I for the FR so that maitnainers who would not be part of the D-I team understand what's all this about. Some may raise objections as the freeze is going on. Please redirect them to -boot. > Second thing is that it needs a window manager (otherwise, it'll be > misplaced, cover g-i, and take focus when clicking on it, which defeats > the purpose of an on-screen keyboard). > So, I've made a matchbox-window-manager udeb, configured differently > from the matchbox-window-manager package so it depends only on things > that already have a udeb. > > For now, each of the two packages ship a script > in /lib/debian-installer.d/ to start (unconditionally. How to be sure > there is no keyboard? Query X? udev? And I've heard about security keys > that behaves like keyboards...) after X. > Should this files be shipped in those packages, or in some other package > (rootskel-gtk, or some package made for the occasion)? Would be nice to have this in D-I SVN. Maybe first under people/ before we move it to packages/ when things are reviewed/ready. Great work, anyway. Even though I haven't seen this, I think your descriptions gives a good picture of all this. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
On-screen keyboard for g-i
Hi, Lately, I've been trying g-i on the FreeRunner, and one of the obvious issues is that the FR doesn't have a keyboard. So, I've decided to make a matchbox-keyboard udeb. First thing is that it requires a few libs which don't have a udeb yet (I have patches for that, should I file a bug against the adequate packages, with the patches included?). Second thing is that it needs a window manager (otherwise, it'll be misplaced, cover g-i, and take focus when clicking on it, which defeats the purpose of an on-screen keyboard). So, I've made a matchbox-window-manager udeb, configured differently from the matchbox-window-manager package so it depends only on things that already have a udeb. For now, each of the two packages ship a script in /lib/debian-installer.d/ to start (unconditionally. How to be sure there is no keyboard? Query X? udev? And I've heard about security keys that behaves like keyboards...) after X. Should this files be shipped in those packages, or in some other package (rootskel-gtk, or some package made for the occasion)? I've tried those packages on my FR, it seems to work perfectly: you can't notice the WM and the keyboard only shows up when an entry is selected (thanks to the gtk input module). Regards, Thibaut Girka. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
