Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hi! Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org (2015-07-22): This is a proposal to replace ttf-cjk-compact with fonts-droid for next (Stretch) debian-installer. As long as this is a change for debian-boot, and not for the installed Debian I have no problems with this. But if it's for Debian itself, well, people may just prefer one set of fonts over the other for aesthetic reasons, and both should remain available. ttf-cjk-compact was built specifically for D-I purposes, from font packages that are still available in Debian. There is no point in using that package outside D-I because it only contains the set of glyphs that are used in D-I messages. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
Hi! Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org (2015-07-22): This is a proposal to replace ttf-cjk-compact with fonts-droid for next (Stretch) debian-installer. Introduction: DroidSansFallback.ttf of fonts-droid package appears best choice for graphical debian-installer to show CJK - Chinese, Japanese, Korean -, because it is scalable font, quite small footprint (3939852 bytes), and enough legible. ttf-cjk-compact was born in 2005, to display CJK characters on graphical debian-installer. Due to lack of small scalable CJK font at 2005 and limited RAM disk size, I made a workaround font package ttf-compact-fonts (former name). This font package made a list of may use characters from d-i po files and some other packages, then rebuilt reduced font with the list by modifying other font packages; vlgothic, unfont, and arphic-uming. (ja.ttf: 197392 bytes, ko.ttf: 152000 bytes, zh.ttf: 1258276 bytes. total: 1607668 bytes.) Thanks for the detailed history, which matches what I've gathered while trying to update this package once in a while. :) After some tests, I believe it's time to use fonts-droid instead of ttf-cjk-compact. Test: - - screenshots: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/sc/ - - graphical netboot mini.iso: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/mini.iso (50MB) Step: 1. Modify fonts-android to provide fonts-android-udeb which has only DroidSansFallback.ttf. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/fonts-android.diff → Uploaded to sid, reached stretch already. 2. After fonts-android-udeb is installed to the mirror, Modify d-i/installer to use fonts-droid-udeb instead of ttf-cjk-compact-udeb. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/installer.diff → I've just performed some tests, and building + comparing a few screens for C, J, and K looks good to me. To be inexperienced eyes, the old glyphs for all 3 languages look a bit thiner and new ones a bit sharper, but sizes are similar. As usual, we can adjust the size if desired, on a per-language basis. (I find it a bit difficult to distinguish all details in Traditional Chinese for example, while Korean and Japanese don't seem that hard to “read” ;)). I'm seeing a size increase similar to what you're quoting: building netboot-gtk on amd64 means initrd.gz grows from 35 MB to 36 MB; unpacked, it goes from 105 MB to 108 MB. I agree this increase in worthwhile as maintaining the ttf-cjk-compact hack is quite a burden, and doesn't provide us with reasonable results, as some glyphs can regularly go missing… 3. Remove ttf-cjk-compact from unstable and testing. → We can ask for a removal from unstable once the next debian-installer upload is performed. I've added a note on my side. As usual, the removal will propagate to testing once it has happened on unstable, and once there are no more reverse dependencies. Pros: - d-i code gets smarter way. - most CJK characters will be shown correctly. - replacing ttf-cjk-compact with DroidSansFallback doesn't break other languages. (as far as I saw) - Chinese gets sans-serif. Cons: - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd. jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694 hd-media/gtk/initrd.gz: 27747025 - 30340894 netboot/gtk/initrd.gz: 34425758 - 37539446 netboot/gtk/mini.iso: 49283072 - 52428800 - Some Japanese characters look bit funny. (I believe it is negligible for installer.) Note: - Noto family, brand-new Google's free and well-designed font, is too big. For example NotoSansCJK-Regular.ttc is 17MB. - DroidSansFallbackFull doesn't include Korean Hangul characters. Thanks for the detailed pros cons notes, that's much appreciated! Patch for debian-installer pushed a few minutes ago, it will be used for daily builds starting with the 2015-08-12 ones. (If anyone wonders, I've just removed the /git/d-i/ttf-cjk-compact.git repository from alioth, as it's not going to be used at all.) Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hi! Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org (2015-07-22): This is a proposal to replace ttf-cjk-compact with fonts-droid for next (Stretch) debian-installer. As long as this is a change for debian-boot, and not for the installed Debian I have no problems with this. But if it's for Debian itself, well, people may just prefer one set of fonts over the other for aesthetic reasons, and both should remain available. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150811010801.gb3...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
Quoting Kenshi Muto (km...@debian.org): Step: 1. Modify fonts-android to provide fonts-android-udeb which has only DroidSansFallback.ttf. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/fonts-android.diff I'm working on this, right now. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:26:02PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: ... Cons: - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd. jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694 Presumably there's a typo here -- this is a tenfold increase! hd-media/gtk/initrd.gz: 27747025 - 30340894 netboot/gtk/initrd.gz: 34425758 - 37539446 netboot/gtk/mini.iso: 49283072 - 52428800 - Some Japanese characters look bit funny. (I believe it is negligible for installer.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150726120736.ga10...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
Quoting Kenshi Muto (km...@debian.org): 2. After fonts-android-udeb is installed to the mirror, Modify d-i/installer to use fonts-droid-udeb instead of ttf-cjk-compact-udeb. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/installer.diff New fonts-android uploaded. Now we need to wait for NEW processing. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
At Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:07:36 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Cons: - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd. jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694 Presumably there's a typo here -- this is a tenfold increase! oops, it was typo. - 28153694. Anyway thanks bubulle, for updating fonts-droid. Thanks, -- Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150726135430.b82574921...@mail.topstudio.co.jp
Re: Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
Hi, It's better than maitain ttf-cjk-compact for me at least. I'll work (add udeb) for it if you say go for it as a memeber of pkg-font-devel, so please add wishlist bug for package. -- Regards, Hideki Yamane henrich @ debian.or.jp/org http://wiki.debian.org/HidekiYamane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150726222601.a8476ca2302473518c13e...@debian.or.jp
Proposal: Drop ttf-cjk-compact, get fonts-droid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 (This proposal relates with Future of ttf-cjk-compact, 20150715074128.gn6...@mraw.org) Hi, This is a proposal to replace ttf-cjk-compact with fonts-droid for next (Stretch) debian-installer. Introduction: DroidSansFallback.ttf of fonts-droid package appears best choice for graphical debian-installer to show CJK - Chinese, Japanese, Korean -, because it is scalable font, quite small footprint (3939852 bytes), and enough legible. ttf-cjk-compact was born in 2005, to display CJK characters on graphical debian-installer. Due to lack of small scalable CJK font at 2005 and limited RAM disk size, I made a workaround font package ttf-compact-fonts (former name). This font package made a list of may use characters from d-i po files and some other packages, then rebuilt reduced font with the list by modifying other font packages; vlgothic, unfont, and arphic-uming. (ja.ttf: 197392 bytes, ko.ttf: 152000 bytes, zh.ttf: 1258276 bytes. total: 1607668 bytes.) After some tests, I believe it's time to use fonts-droid instead of ttf-cjk-compact. Test: - - screenshots: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/sc/ - - graphical netboot mini.iso: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/mini.iso (50MB) Step: 1. Modify fonts-android to provide fonts-android-udeb which has only DroidSansFallback.ttf. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/fonts-android.diff 2. After fonts-android-udeb is installed to the mirror, Modify d-i/installer to use fonts-droid-udeb instead of ttf-cjk-compact-udeb. patch: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i-font/installer.diff 3. Remove ttf-cjk-compact from unstable and testing. Pros: - d-i code gets smarter way. - most CJK characters will be shown correctly. - replacing ttf-cjk-compact with DroidSansFallback doesn't break other languages. (as far as I saw) - Chinese gets sans-serif. Cons: - increases +2MB for each graphical initrd. jessie-amd64/cdrom/gtk/initrd.gz: 25557641 - 281535694 hd-media/gtk/initrd.gz: 27747025 - 30340894 netboot/gtk/initrd.gz: 34425758 - 37539446 netboot/gtk/mini.iso: 49283072 - 52428800 - Some Japanese characters look bit funny. (I believe it is negligible for installer.) Note: - Noto family, brand-new Google's free and well-designed font, is too big. For example NotoSansCJK-Regular.ttc is 17MB. - DroidSansFallbackFull doesn't include Korean Hangul characters. Thanks, - -- Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.9 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVrw0cAAoJEB0hyD3EUuD843MP/1dflBw9H03JSO696nbaFzId uxFJj97DYJS1bG2CEDOg49YOF6gdv6GWw766/dU11uyz4HTMAGZkq3vnCGZFg3c1 JwDeA5YoE7FBF1ecwXztJdjvmN7C2LQFAas/RUTK+AKbBMxWK5kp4Q0/1P+jhzvo wYkjvmaUOcWJOE6+7U6nVoAStQmCbJuHcJtXlyfZF+GbqWc8SPJbo20+KKOaXa/w NRXKQ+VWTsVa86WI4Xh+Qs+FXafuszJwkwfOR9DQPdLVk/bwyJGKshx/oRBs3NpY nUVMF9Ml7UaE7VocEPmCAEF0555EFO/foaKM/6Bx87NcowRpGZ7DjmyEErSLteTC Dvh7CgznskDVjPAZvIqc0ENMIqcT2ufEUS5no2atBSD8pN/CBFQUUrZ17x2YGmuj 5aJT+OpC+zhcP0DoDuDc0DDpqXeyGvSZI94WkYlmJLnB90OjMR5apMS4w8nN5yFF +dpROdjTgAystiXu4rnME+PW6A7rMxzZ27VwlqQvMQ2yhBd/xb7xQC8U4ELMlvgX Kkj9mPS9YIwyOuRCO3C/2xAPuWaggN/93QBerDLAca9ejruTKuiYzh1yg5gyuq03 O2CgvUJENT1c0IS19lIQbxra3Q4X09nQlC11Voj7sybGedEoB6ZGxtB5j8geYhdd gPk4ZGsCGL/dHxwikwB3 =qufz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150722032602.b72474920...@mail.topstudio.co.jp
