Re: [Debian-in-workers] Malayalam fonts are not getting installed

2007-12-19 Thread Praveen A
2007/12/19, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Or maybe % of completed po-debconf translations? Or ...

 I'd say that relative contribution to Debian would be a pretty fair
 criterion, which probably would come close to justifying the list you
 proposed...


This looks right to me but better ones are those came after these.

 To be serious. The best solution would be to prioritize _within_ tasks.
 Tasksel already supports key packages and regular packages.

 IMO it's not really fair that French manpages (random example) come before
 essential Malayalam desktop support.

I like this one. At least all lang and lang-desktop should come
before say the man pages.


 debian-cd actually respects that distinction by sorting all key packages for
 all tasks _before_ all regular packages for all tasks.

 The malayalam-desktop task currently looks as follows:
 Key:
 Packages: task-fields
 Packages-list:
  ttf-malayalam-fonts
  scim-tables-additional
  scim-gtk2-immodule
  openoffice.org-l10n-ml-in

 I think a good case could be made for at least the first of those to be made
 a key package. Not sure about the scim-* packages as I don't know how
 exactly they are used. The openoffice l10n package should clearly remain as
 a regular package.


SCIM is important because many use it as their primary input method.
OO l10n can remain regular.

 I could even see the introduction in tasksel of a third, call it extra,
 class that would list nice to have, but no problem if it's not available
 packages which are either ignored for debian-cd package sorting purposes
 or are sorted after regular packages.
 Or, alternatively, just creating lang-extra tasks that contain such
 packages and are either listed lower down in task.list or not listed at all
 (but that would possibly make language task selection in aptitude a bit
 less obvious).

This would extra work, dunno if it is worth it.

 I also wondered about sorting all lang tasks before all lang-desktop
 tasks, but am not sure if that would be logical or not. It could improve
 basic language support for some languages lower down the list, but could
 also result in just more manpages packages being sorted early.

For Malayalam this task is meaning less as we don't have support for
console rendering (it has to have pango/qt/icu).

 Anyway, my conclusion is that improvements should not be sought by fighting
 over the sort order, but by improving the way packages between and within
 tasks are prioritized. In different words: by having a very clear policy of
 how task files should be written and ensuring that this is done
 consistently for all languages.

This looks good - may be even lang-extra would make sense.

 IIRC another improvement that could be made includes further splitting the
 desktop tasks into desktop, desktop-gnome, desktop-kde and desktop-xfce
 tasks.

I would love to see installer giving a choice of gnome/kde/xfce at
least in DVDs.

Regards
Praveen
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Re: [Debian-in-workers] Malayalam fonts are not getting installed

2007-12-18 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Dec 19, 2007 12:36 AM, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Drawback: why should we put West European first and South Asian or
 African last? There is indeed no reason except our western-centric
 minds..:-)

Putting it in alphabetical order is good idea, IMHO. Like other
packages do (locales, timezone selection etc).

 Another idea would be ranking languages by number of speakers.

Then Indic tasks will have higher rankings ;)

 Or maybe use popcon (are there popularity rankings for tasks?).

This is another good idea, which can or can not give the real picture.

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