Processed: Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
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Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
Le lundi, 10 décembre 2012 18.00:03, Holger Wansing a écrit : But we already mention Windows tools in the guide, which are also not part of Debian, for example for partitioning. I would vote for including plop too. Which ones, specifically ? As far as I read chapter 3.5, we just advise users to repartition, without saying how. The other Windows executables we advise to use are in Debian: loadlin and win32-loader. Furthermore, I think plop is a widely different beast in that context: it's a bootloader, which runs on the bare metal and could do lots of things to anything it boots. Furthermore, I can't find any indication that it is free software nor links to the source, which is apparently assembler. Closer examination of the license [0] indicates that it is non-free as per The programs may not be sold. Earlier I was lightly against pointing to it for not built by Debian reasons: I was worried about us advising users to use free software that we would not be ensuring trust for. Now, given that I have realised that plop i non-released-source non-free software, I'm really firmly against pointing to it, for the risks inherently carried by installing a non-free assembler bootloader on bare metal. Cheers, OdyX [0] http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/licence.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212101900.45561.o...@debian.org
Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
On Tue 06 Nov 2012 at 00:46:12 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Brian Potkin, le Sun 04 Nov 2012 21:24:32 +, a écrit : Whatever the reason, some computers will not boot from a USB device, So, in addition to the present advice, why not offer something which does not involve fiddling, very often without a positive outcome, with the bios. Namely, the Plop Boot Manager: http://www.plop.at/ Advantages: * It works. * It is actively developed. * There is no other comparable software. * Users are better informed. I'm not sure to understand what you propose. From what I see on http://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/usb.html , it's just yet another USB boot image. But does it really work more in the cases where the hybrid boot that Debian is using doesn't work? It's the Plop Boot Manager you want. This goes directly there: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html * USB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI) Burn plpbt.iso to a CD. Boot the CD. Insert USB stick carrying a Debian ISO. Choose menu item to boot from USB. Not that this level of detail is needed. The URL might be sufficient. Also, the advice might be better given in the CD FAQ - with a pointer to it from the Guide. Anyone who has ever struggled with a BIOS which refuses to boot a USB device would surely appreciate being given a route which may lead to the difficulty being overcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121106130525.GD12976@desktop
Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
Brian Potkin, le Tue 06 Nov 2012 13:05:25 +, a écrit : Burn plpbt.iso to a CD. But then why not simply burn the Debian CD image on the CD? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121106153631.gs5...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
Samuel Thibault wrote: Brian Potkin, le Tue 06 Nov 2012 13:05:25 +, a écrit : Burn plpbt.iso to a CD. But then why not simply burn the Debian CD image on the CD? One may create the boot-assistant tool CD once for all USB sticks, then load new images to USB stick as often as desired. Great for following weekly or daily builds, as I've had many more CD-related problems than USB stick ones. --Don -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/n4di98lm7ee8sa8l7pdvq1qo5n0vhrh...@4ax.com
Re: Bug#692309: installation-guide: 3.6.2. Boot Device Selection: Booting debian-installer from a USB stick
On Tue 06 Nov 2012 at 16:36:31 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Brian Potkin, le Tue 06 Nov 2012 13:05:25 +, a écrit : Burn plpbt.iso to a CD. But then why not simply burn the Debian CD image on the CD? In no particular order of importance: 1. The user has only one CD and no money to buy any more. 2. The user has no CDs or working CD-ROM but does have a floppy disk to put plpbt.bin on. 3. The user has no CDs or floppy disks but has read the documentation for Plop and can use it and GRUB on hard disk to boot from a USB stick. 4. The user has a businesscard sized CD. Great for putting plpbt.iso on and carrying round in a wallet, Not so great for a Debian Live ISO. 5. The user has only one CD. It is not re-writable. She wants to test more than the Wheezy d-i alpha image. Her USB stick is re-writable. 6. The user has only one CD. He would like to try out the GNOME, KDE and Xfce desktop environments. He is fortunate in having three USB sticks. 7. The user has fify CDs but resents having to throw them all away after testing d-i weekly images for a year. 8. The user has many CDs and feels guilty seeing them all go to landfill after a couple of years of testing Debian ISO images. 9. The user installs GRUB to her USB stick and adds ten Debian ISOs. A CD boot iwith Plop can offer a GRUB menu of the ten ISOs to boot from. In two words. Versatilty. Choice. If Plop doesn't work, the user has lost nothing. If it works, the user gets to bypass BIOS deficiences and install Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121106174816.GE12976@desktop
