Re: Bug#762614: stop preseeding desktop

2014-09-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:26:32PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 14:59, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Once tasksel 3.27 is in testing, but not before, d-i should stop
> > preseeding desktop=xfce for kfreebsd and hurd. This version of tasksel
> > defaults to xfce for those architectures and will handle any other
> > architecture variations in a single place.
> 
> Agreed, although we should try evaluate if XFCE is still the best
> default for these (and perhaps find something that caters to other
> situations where GNOME isn't viable)

After all this time (what is it?  over a year now?) I thought the 
new Gnome might have improved and become viable.  I tried it last weekend.
It still isn't viable. I can't even figure out how to log out.  Not 
what I want a beginner confronted with.

-- hendrik

> 
> I've created a spin-off page to discuss alternatives:
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Alternative/Jessie
> 
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> 
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Re: Bug#762614: stop preseeding desktop

2014-09-23 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 15:31, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> [GNOME] still isn't viable. I can't even figure out how to log out.
> Not what I want a beginner confronted with.

Perhaps there's a more positive-sounding way to describe this as a
criterion and I could add it to the alternative desktop Wiki page.

"Familiarity" (for users migrating from another OS??  "POLA"?
There is even an ISO standard 9241-110 for "Dialogue principles"
https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Animata

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Re: Bug#762614: stop preseeding desktop

2014-09-23 Thread Joey Hess
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> After all this time (what is it?  over a year now?) I thought the 
> new Gnome might have improved and become viable.  I tried it last weekend.
> It still isn't viable. I can't even figure out how to log out.

Given that Debian has already shipped a stable release with Gnome 3, and
that debian-user does not seem to be overflowing with posts from users
who cannot figure out how to log out of their desktop, I think your
experience may be an outlier.

In any case, this thread is not about the default desktop selection.
Please don't post offtopic things to bug report threads.

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Re: Bug#762614: stop preseeding desktop

2014-09-23 Thread Richard Owlett

Joey Hess wrote:

Hendrik Boom wrote:

After all this time (what is it?  over a year now?) I thought the
new Gnome might have improved and become viable.  I tried it last weekend.
It still isn't viable. I can't even figure out how to log out.


Given that Debian has already shipped a stable release with Gnome 3, and
that debian-user does not seem to be overflowing with posts from users
who cannot figure out how to log out of their desktop, I think your
experience may be an outlier.



Speaking as a "user" who is also a "newbie"
I can suggest why there would not be much comment about Gnome3.
If you recognize it as useless, the Wheezy installer facilitates 
alternative DE's.
In my case I favor Gnome2's look-n-feel enough that I will stay 
with Squeeze until learning how to tweak one of the other DE's to 
my satisfaction.


HTH



In any case, this thread is not about the default desktop selection.
Please don't post offtopic things to bug report threads.




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Processed: Re: Bug#762614: stop preseeding desktop

2014-09-28 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug #762614 [debian-installer] stop preseeding desktop
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