Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
Pascal Hambourg, le lun. 28 févr. 2022 08:40:12 +0100, a ecrit: > Le 13/02/2022 à 02:28, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > the MacOS X installation image automatically starts > > a speech-enabled installer when the boot menu is left untouched for > > 10 seconds, so that blind people have really nothing more to do than > > plugging the installation USB key and turning the computer on to get a > > speaking installer > > > > It happens that syslinux supports this > > What about GRUB used for EFI boot ? I could not find a similar feature. Indeed :/ I have added a ticket on https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?62254 Samuel
Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
Hello, Philip Hands, le lun. 28 févr. 2022 09:31:04 +0100, a ecrit: > One could have a very prominent visual notice at the start of the speech > install pointing out to people that if they want a normal install all > they need to do is hit Ctrl-Alt-DEL to restart the boot, and then make > any sort of movement at the menu to interrupt the timeout speech > install. Actually syslinux allows to tune the timeout message, so I have done so. Thanks for the discussion, it's now pushed! Samuel
Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
john doe writes: > On 2/28/2022 12:17 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Samuel Thibault wrote (Sun, 13 Feb 2022 02:28:48 >> +0100): >>> Users on the debian-accessibility mailing list reported that they found >>> it very useful that the MacOS X installation image automatically starts >>> a speech-enabled installer when the boot menu is left untouched for >>> 10 seconds, so that blind people have really nothing more to do than >>> plugging the installation USB key and turning the computer on to get a >>> speaking installer (and notably in the case when the computer does not >>> have a hardware speaker for beeping at the boot menu). >>> >>> It happens that syslinux supports this, the attached patch implements >>> it. What do debian-boot people think about the idea? >> >> This seems to be only in interest for a limited group of people, however >> from my point of view the pro's beat the con's, so my vote would be >> "why not". >> > > Increasing the wait time to something like 60sec might not be a bad idea > to avoid this being a distraction to the vast majority of users. One could have a very prominent visual notice at the start of the speech install pointing out to people that if they want a normal install all they need to do is hit Ctrl-Alt-DEL to restart the boot, and then make any sort of movement at the menu to interrupt the timeout speech install. One could perhaps also provide an easy way of tweaking our images to disable the timeout, for those where this is going to be a significant inconvenience. If some unique comment were added, that might be done with a simple sed on the .iso images. > Even better would be to aline with what other OSes are doing (docs welcome). > > For what it is worth, I could not find documentation backing up a wait > time in other OSes. While standardisation would be good, I don't think we need to wait for others to innovate in this space. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
Le 13/02/2022 à 02:28, Samuel Thibault a écrit : the MacOS X installation image automatically starts a speech-enabled installer when the boot menu is left untouched for 10 seconds, so that blind people have really nothing more to do than plugging the installation USB key and turning the computer on to get a speaking installer It happens that syslinux supports this What about GRUB used for EFI boot ? I could not find a similar feature.
Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
On 2/28/2022 12:17 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: Hi, Samuel Thibault wrote (Sun, 13 Feb 2022 02:28:48 +0100): Users on the debian-accessibility mailing list reported that they found it very useful that the MacOS X installation image automatically starts a speech-enabled installer when the boot menu is left untouched for 10 seconds, so that blind people have really nothing more to do than plugging the installation USB key and turning the computer on to get a speaking installer (and notably in the case when the computer does not have a hardware speaker for beeping at the boot menu). It happens that syslinux supports this, the attached patch implements it. What do debian-boot people think about the idea? This seems to be only in interest for a limited group of people, however from my point of view the pro's beat the con's, so my vote would be "why not". Increasing the wait time to something like 60sec might not be a bad idea to avoid this being a distraction to the vast majority of users. Even better would be to aline with what other OSes are doing (docs welcome). For what it is worth, I could not find documentation backing up a wait time in other OSes. -- John Doe
Re: Having a d-i boot timeout for enabling speech?
Hi, Samuel Thibault wrote (Sun, 13 Feb 2022 02:28:48 +0100): > Users on the debian-accessibility mailing list reported that they found > it very useful that the MacOS X installation image automatically starts > a speech-enabled installer when the boot menu is left untouched for > 10 seconds, so that blind people have really nothing more to do than > plugging the installation USB key and turning the computer on to get a > speaking installer (and notably in the case when the computer does not > have a hardware speaker for beeping at the boot menu). > > It happens that syslinux supports this, the attached patch implements > it. What do debian-boot people think about the idea? This seems to be only in interest for a limited group of people, however from my point of view the pro's beat the con's, so my vote would be "why not". Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
