Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Philippe Cloutier]

Le February 15, 2008 05:15:16 am maximilian attems, vous avez écrit :
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > > that is totally untrue.
> > > linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
> > > properly set up it can happen in less then a week.
> >
> > What do you mean? What "it" can happen in less than one week?
>
> omg, what are we talking about?
> migration of linux-2.6 to testing.
OMG, we were talking about migration of Linux 2.6.24 to testing.
>
> i repeat that with proper urgency hints from the release team
> linux-2.6 can be in a week in testing.
Of course, linux-2.6 can migrate in less than a week if there's an urgent 
update needed, but we were talking about 2.6.24, which has no such urgency.

Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 04:49:51PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
>> I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
>> gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
>> delay d-i release.
>> 
>
> Block added, but I'd like to stress the urgency of getting beta1 out so
> that 2.6.24 can migrate without any further delays.

We're all doing our best. I do also want to get 2.6.24 out and Beta2
moving as soon as possible.

Thanks a lot.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Neil McGovern]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 04:49:51PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> delay d-i release.
> 

Block added, but I'd like to stress the urgency of getting beta1 out so
that 2.6.24 can migrate without any further delays.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[maximilian attems]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:

> > that is totally untrue.
> > linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
> > properly set up it can happen in less then a week.
> What do you mean? What "it" can happen in less than one week?
 
omg, what are we talking about?
migration of linux-2.6 to testing.

i repeat that with proper urgency hints from the release team
linux-2.6 can be in a week in testing.

nobody gave a proper reason why this upper late beta1 needs
to happen with a retarted kernel.


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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Philippe Cloutier]

Le February 14, 2008 06:33:20 pm maximilian attems, vous avez écrit :
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21.
> > The planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.
> >
> > Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In
> > reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.
>
> that is totally untrue.
> linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
> properly set up it can happen in less then a week.
What do you mean? What "it" can happen in less than one week?

Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

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maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>
>> linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
>> planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.
>> 
>> Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
>> reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.
>
> that is totally untrue.
> linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
> properly set up it can happen in less then a week.

So it puts even more urgency to the block. If it migrates we'll be in
bad shape for Beta1 release.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[maximilian attems]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:

> linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
> planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.
> 
> Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
> reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.

that is totally untrue.
linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
properly set up it can happen in less then a week.
 
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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

Philippe Cloutier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Le February 14, 2008 01:56:55 pm maximilian attems, vous avez écrit :
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
>> > Hello RM and SRM teams,
>> >
>> > I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
>> > gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
>> > delay d-i release.
>>
>> nacked as maintainer,
>> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
> linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
> planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.
>
> Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
> reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.

I know it and this is one of major reasons we choosen 2.6.22 for Beta1
and want to make Beta2 sonner. This gives time for kernel to mature on
sid and we to test d-i. Beta2 should be a nice release for Etch+Halt
to trust.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Philippe Cloutier]

Le February 14, 2008 01:56:55 pm maximilian attems, vous avez écrit :
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> > Hello RM and SRM teams,
> >
> > I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> > gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> > delay d-i release.
>
> nacked as maintainer,
> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.

Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.

Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Mike Hommey]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:17:08PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 07:56:55PM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Hello RM and SRM teams,
> >> > 
> >> > I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> >> > gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> >> > delay d-i release.
> >> 
> >> nacked as maintainer,
> >> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
> >> we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.
> >> 
> >> also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
> >> that schedule is over.
> >>  
> >> > As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
> >> > 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
> >> > 2.6.24.
> >> > 
> >> > 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html
> >> 
> >> very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
> >> d-i doesn't install on those.
> >
> > ... and etch+1 2.6.24 should just be built with the proper options to
> > still include deprecated /proc/acpi stuff (and probably disable the new
> > interfaces for them, too, as it can have bad side effects on, e.g. hal
> > (though I don't know if etch's hal supports /sys/class/power_supply)).
> 
> This needs to be done, specially for Etch+Half kernels. It has been
> done for sid kernels in 2.6.24-3 upload.

Though 2.6.24-3 onwards also includes the /sys/class/power_supply stuff,
and unless hal gets fixed (and it is fixed in upstream git), a few
software will report twice as much batteries as really present.

Mike


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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> This needs to be done, specially for Etch+Half kernels. It has been
>> done for sid kernels in 2.6.24-3 upload.
>
> Though 2.6.24-3 onwards also includes the /sys/class/power_supply stuff,
> and unless hal gets fixed (and it is fixed in upstream git), a few
> software will report twice as much batteries as really present.

But then it's a hal bug that needs to be fixed on sid however I ack on
it for etch+half kernels.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Mike Hommey]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 07:56:55PM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> > 
> > Hello RM and SRM teams,
> > 
> > I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> > gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> > delay d-i release.
> 
> nacked as maintainer,
> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
> we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.
> 
> also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
> that schedule is over.
>  
> > As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
> > 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
> > 2.6.24.
> > 
> > 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html
> 
> very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
> d-i doesn't install on those.

... and etch+1 2.6.24 should just be built with the proper options to
still include deprecated /proc/acpi stuff (and probably disable the new
interfaces for them, too, as it can have bad side effects on, e.g. hal
(though I don't know if etch's hal supports /sys/class/power_supply)).

Mike


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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Martin Zobel-Helas]

Hi, 

On Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 16:49:51 -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
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> Hello RM and SRM teams,
> 
> I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> delay d-i release.

ACK from SRM side.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 07:56:55PM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hello RM and SRM teams,
>> > 
>> > I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
>> > gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
>> > delay d-i release.
>> 
>> nacked as maintainer,
>> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
>> we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.
>> 
>> also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
>> that schedule is over.
>>  
>> > As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
>> > 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
>> > 2.6.24.
>> > 
>> > 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html
>> 
>> very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
>> d-i doesn't install on those.
>
> ... and etch+1 2.6.24 should just be built with the proper options to
> still include deprecated /proc/acpi stuff (and probably disable the new
> interfaces for them, too, as it can have bad side effects on, e.g. hal
> (though I don't know if etch's hal supports /sys/class/power_supply)).

This needs to be done, specially for Etch+Half kernels. It has been
done for sid kernels in 2.6.24-3 upload.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[Otavio Salvador]

maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
>> 
>> Hello RM and SRM teams,
>> 
>> I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
>> gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
>> delay d-i release.
>
> nacked as maintainer,
> you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
> we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.
>
> also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
> that schedule is over.
>  
>> As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
>> 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
>> 2.6.24.
>> 
>> 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html
>
> very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
> d-i doesn't install on those.

All your comments are right and that's why a Beta2 release is
scheduled for just after Beta1 is out.

The idea is to release Lenny Beta2 with bugfixes for Beta1 issues and
kernel update only.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

[maximilian attems]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> 
> Hello RM and SRM teams,
> 
> I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
> gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
> delay d-i release.

nacked as maintainer,
you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.

also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
that schedule is over.
 
> As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
> 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
> 2.6.24.
> 
> 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html

very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
d-i doesn't install on those.


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