Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:45:30PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25:00PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:32:03PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:40:09PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. Hmmm. That's not nice for the memory usage of the graphical installer. It would be good to look into that before the new version is uploaded. I've created PDF charts [1] for old and new version just to have a quick way for comparing the two: new version does contain more glyphs indeed. The obvious suggestion would be to introduce a mechanism fo stripping unneeded glyps out of the udeb as we already do for ttf-dejavu [2] and ttf-freefont [3] packages. [1] http://alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/ttf-tmuni/ [2] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-dejavu [3] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-freefont If you look at the above mentioned PDF charts, you'll notice that TONS of new glyphs have been added to the Private Use Area (old version had only one page containing glyphs, new version has 8 pages) and Supplementary Private Use Area-A which was not covered at all in previous version, and now covers 10 pages. I'm pretty sure we can reduce this font as to be smaller than it was in previous version, but we must be careful not to remove needed ranges: I can help with this, but need some hints from people using the font and knowing what is really needed. Davide so, I've finally found some time to look again at this and wrote some notes [1] while trying to work on it. Results look promising (back to ~1.3 Mb) and I know we can do much better: which other ranges can we safely remove? regards, Davide [1] http://www.alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/dwiki/tibetan_machine/ Everyone (including myself) seem to have forgotten about this. I've just filed #518331 with a patch which should fix the size problem regards, Davide signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25:00PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:32:03PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:40:09PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. Hmmm. That's not nice for the memory usage of the graphical installer. It would be good to look into that before the new version is uploaded. I've created PDF charts [1] for old and new version just to have a quick way for comparing the two: new version does contain more glyphs indeed. The obvious suggestion would be to introduce a mechanism fo stripping unneeded glyps out of the udeb as we already do for ttf-dejavu [2] and ttf-freefont [3] packages. [1] http://alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/ttf-tmuni/ [2] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-dejavu [3] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-freefont If you look at the above mentioned PDF charts, you'll notice that TONS of new glyphs have been added to the Private Use Area (old version had only one page containing glyphs, new version has 8 pages) and Supplementary Private Use Area-A which was not covered at all in previous version, and now covers 10 pages. I'm pretty sure we can reduce this font as to be smaller than it was in previous version, but we must be careful not to remove needed ranges: I can help with this, but need some hints from people using the font and knowing what is really needed. Davide so, I've finally found some time to look again at this and wrote some notes [1] while trying to work on it. Results look promising (back to ~1.3 Mb) and I know we can do much better: which other ranges can we safely remove? regards, Davide [1] http://www.alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/dwiki/tibetan_machine/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 21:32 +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:40:09PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ BTW, I noticed the ttf file has been renamed from TibetanMachineUniAlpha.ttf to TibMachUni-1.901b.ttf ; any particular reason for such change? The names for the font file are coming from upstream and hesitated to modify them as the change seems to be well managed in .deb case and lacked knowledge about .udeb. With the emerged information about .udeb it is obvious that the font file name should be fixed in Debian packaging. The problem is that the old name is not so suitable anymore since this is no more an alpha version of the font. The new name is not good either since it will not be suitable for future versions of the font (version 2.00 will probably be published in the near future). Thus I solidified the name to TibetanMachineUni.ttf and uploaded new candidate packages to [0]. Thus there would still be a need for a change in the udeb scripts regarding this font but there should be no need for such a change anymore in the future when new versions of the font will be released and packaged for Debian. [ also the problem of missing Depends in .deb was fixed ] -me -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:57:43PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: One comment: the name change means that the font selection script in rootskel-gtk will need to be adjusted as well! indeed Maybe we should implement a more generic mechanism where font udebs include a file in a certain location in which they declare which languages (by language code) they cover and which font size change is desired. Only for languages where a font switch is needed of course. sounds like an interesting idea Advantage would be that a font rename or other changes only has consequences in a single package: the relevant udeb. yes Davide: would you be willing to work something out for that? For transition we could probably first test if there is such a file and if not, fall back to current hard-coded values. Spare time is very limited lately, but will try to implement something. regards, Davide -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:32:03PM +0200, Davide Viti wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:40:09PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. Hmmm. That's not nice for the memory usage of the graphical installer. It would be good to look into that before the new version is uploaded. I've created PDF charts [1] for old and new version just to have a quick way for comparing the two: new version does contain more glyphs indeed. The obvious suggestion would be to introduce a mechanism fo stripping unneeded glyps out of the udeb as we already do for ttf-dejavu [2] and ttf-freefont [3] packages. [1] http://alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/ttf-tmuni/ [2] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-dejavu [3] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-freefont If you look at the above mentioned PDF charts, you'll notice that TONS of new glyphs have been added to the Private Use Area (old version had only one page containing glyphs, new version has 8 pages) and Supplementary Private Use Area-A which was not covered at all in previous version, and now covers 10 pages. I'm pretty sure we can reduce this font as to be smaller than it was in previous version, but we must be careful not to remove needed ranges: I can help with this, but need some hints from people using the font and knowing what is really needed. Davide signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:40:09PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. Hmmm. That's not nice for the memory usage of the graphical installer. It would be good to look into that before the new version is uploaded. Davide Viti is our current fonts manager. Added him in CC in the hope that he has time to contact you about this and see if that increase can be reduced. I've created PDF charts [1] for old and new version just to have a quick way for comparing the two: new version does contain more glyphs indeed. The obvious suggestion would be to introduce a mechanism fo stripping unneeded glyps out of the udeb as we already do for ttf-dejavu [2] and ttf-freefont [3] packages. 3 megabytes difference is quite alot, and I'd like to dig a bit more to understand if there's anything else which causes this increase: will probablyhave the chance to work on this tomorrow evening. BTW, I noticed the ttf file has been renamed from TibetanMachineUniAlpha.ttf to TibMachUni-1.901b.ttf ; any particular reason for such change? regards, Davide [1] http://alioth.debian.org/~zinosat-guest/ttf-tmuni/ [2] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-dejavu [3] svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-fonts/packages/ttf-freefont signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Davide Viti wrote: BTW, I noticed the ttf file has been renamed from TibetanMachineUniAlpha.ttf to TibMachUni-1.901b.ttf ; any particular reason for such change? Although I'm the To addressee, I'm obviously not the correct person to answer the questions :-) One comment: the name change means that the font selection script in rootskel-gtk will need to be adjusted as well! Maybe we should implement a more generic mechanism where font udebs include a file in a certain location in which they declare which languages (by language code) they cover and which font size change is desired. Only for languages where a font switch is needed of course. Advantage would be that a font rename or other changes only has consequences in a single package: the relevant udeb. Davide: would you be willing to work something out for that? For transition we could probably first test if there is such a file and if not, fall back to current hard-coded values. Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
[debian-boot please maintain the CCs on any replies. AFAIK none of us are subscribed to the list.] On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: A still unofficial Debian package based on the 1.901b version of the font is now available at [0]. [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ It is there mainly for kind Jaldhar H. Vyas to officially upload it to the Debian unstable repository. The problem is the package contains a udeb and such packages have been frozen in preperation for the lenny release. You need the permission of the debian-installer team before the package can be uploaded. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Monday 09 June 2008, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: A still unofficial Debian package based on the 1.901b version of the font is now available at [0]. [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ It is there mainly for kind Jaldhar H. Vyas to officially upload it to the Debian unstable repository. The problem is the package contains a udeb and such packages have been frozen in preperation for the lenny release. You need the permission of the debian-installer team before the package can be uploaded. That's not quite correct. They are frozen for automatic migration to testing, not for upload to unstable. Please just go ahead with the upload. However, if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. -me -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tibetan Machine Uni font sources for the new version (v1.901)
On Monday 09 June 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Tom Söderlund wrote: [0] http://gamma.nic.fi/~t_om/debian/ttf-tmuni/ if there are any major changes in the font that could affect the udeb or cause a significant change in its size, it would be nice to hear about those. The font file which is the sole content of the udeb package has grown a bit over threefold from 1355768 bytes to 4511176 bytes. Hmmm. That's not nice for the memory usage of the graphical installer. It would be good to look into that before the new version is uploaded. Davide Viti is our current fonts manager. Added him in CC in the hope that he has time to contact you about this and see if that increase can be reduced. Thanks for the reply. Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
