Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Stephen R Marenka]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:36:49PM +0100, Erik C.J. Laan wrote:

> asking one more question before the actual reboot happened. Soo: I can't 
> tell how much time it took, but certainly over 12 hours.

That's slow, but it sounds like we actually support 24MB already and
there's still some quite a bit to clean up.

> I'll wait with starting from the base-installed partition until this 
> weekend, when I have time to install and configure the packages it 
> probably still needs to install in the second phase of the installation. 
> Or is there no second phase anymore? I still haven't seen 
> dselect/tasksel, so I guess there is.

Yes (properly base-config).

> >Please file an installation report, however far you get from here.
> 
> Is this enough for an installation report, of is there a formal way to 
> do that? It's not that I'm not willing to, I just don't know how to. Or 
> is that done through the BTS?

It's a template mailed to the BTS.

See installation reports at the following for the howto.


A sample template may be found at
.

It's really just about d-i, so I think you can fill it out now if you
like.

Thanks!

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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Erik C.J. Laan]

Stephen R Marenka wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:40:57PM +0100, Erik C.J. Laan wrote:
I'm still doing that... not waiting for you, but for the machine. I 
started the "Installing the Debian base system" step around 15:00 local 
time, and now it is 23:30 and it's at 87% (for the complete last hour). 
I thought this was due to the machine swapping its guts out, but free 
tells me a different story:
[snip]
That's great progress.
To complete the report, it was at 95% when I went to bed at 01:00 at
night (too late), and still at 95% when I rose at 6:00, which was a
shame, because I thought it had hung. But it hadn't. Just switching
console stirred up some activity, and when I went to work at 7:10 I
could skip the "Install a bootloader" step to go to the "Reboot ..."
(don't know the exact wording of both steps). A quick look at console
3 five minutes later (with my coat on) however told me it had restarted 
installing more packages. When I came home at the end of the day it was 
asking one more question before the actual reboot happened. Soo: I can't 
tell how much time it took, but certainly over 12 hours.

I think it's the disk performance. No SCSI-DMA in the Linux/mac68k 
kernel I don't think I can file a bug for that against the 
Yep, I hate that.

debian-installer package. I'll let it run overnight, and see what I get 
once it is installed. Hank mentioned it being less sluggish in another 
mail to the list. I'm curious.
>
Sweet, thanks!
I'll wait with starting from the base-installed partition until this 
weekend, when I have time to install and configure the packages it 
probably still needs to install in the second phase of the installation. 
Or is there no second phase anymore? I still haven't seen 
dselect/tasksel, so I guess there is.

Please file an installation report, however far you get from here.
Is this enough for an installation report, of is there a formal way to 
do that? It's not that I'm not willing to, I just don't know how to. Or 
is that done through the BTS?

HTH, Erik.
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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Stephen R Marenka]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 04:35:22AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:46:04PM -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> > few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> > work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.
> 
> I tried this last night on my Amiga2000. Doesn't quite work yet...

Hey, thanks for trying. I think you're the first to even attempt an
amiga install this year.

> The ramdisk option for Amiga is "ramdisk=2", and you have to type it
> right as well... I also use the debian-installer/framebuffer option, not
> sure if that is necessary.

Are you using the cdrom image? If so, the ramdisk=2 is for 2.2.x
compatibility. The amiga nativehd ram disk shouldn't require a ramdisk=.
(Of course, that's a net-based install.)

> Installation then starts, but it fails to detect my network card, it is an
> ariadne2 and I know it works. It is not built into the kernel, but it is a
> module in the kernel-image, some time ago the name changed from ariadne2 to
> zorro8390. I had a look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel, but it is empty? Can
> I load the module manually somehow (where are the modules hiding?) or do I
> have to build a kernel-image where the NICs are compiled in? The installer
> has been loading lots of ide modules, so there must be modules somewhere.

Sounds like nic-shared-modules didn't get put on the image, which is 
likely the case for cdrom. They should be there on the nativehd, but 
apparently I goofed. Hopefully they'll be there for tomorrow's daily.

In any case, I missed the zorro8390, so it'll have to wait until the
next linux-kernel-di upload (.52). 

In the meantime, if you want to mess with an initrd directly, it's just
a gzipped ext2 image.

Thanks,

Stephen

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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 06:40:56AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:38:06PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > 
> > > IIRC kernel was the only subdirectory in /lib/modules/2.4.24 and that was
> > > empty. I will have a look again though.
> > 
> > Are you sure it is named 2.4.24, and not 2.4.24-amiga or something such ? 
> 
> Yes, because I introduced the subarch name only in 2.4.25. Maybe I should
> get a new ramdisk image though...
>  
> > 13:25 < joeyh> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/debian-installer/kernel/m68k>find |grep
> > -i zorro
> > 13:25 < joeyh> ./lib/modules/2.4.25-amiga/kernel/drivers/net/zorro8390.o
> 
> Thats the one I want. Is there an image with this kernel and modules
> available already?

look in the nic-modules .udeb for your arch.

I don't think there is, but i told Joeyh about this, and he will
probably add one for tomorrow. Maybe ask him directly.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Joey Hess]

Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> Yes, because I introduced the subarch name only in 2.4.25. Maybe I should
> get a new ramdisk image though...
>  
> > 13:25 < joeyh> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/debian-installer/kernel/m68k>find |grep
> > -i zorro
> > 13:25 < joeyh> ./lib/modules/2.4.25-amiga/kernel/drivers/net/zorro8390.o
> 
> Thats the one I want. Is there an image with this kernel and modules
> available already?

I'm in the middle of producing the udebs for this, and am blocked
waiting on a modules.dep file for 2.4.25-amiga. If you can send me one,
we'll have images soon.

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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:38:06PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > 
> > IIRC kernel was the only subdirectory in /lib/modules/2.4.24 and that was
> > empty. I will have a look again though.
> 
> Are you sure it is named 2.4.24, and not 2.4.24-amiga or something such ? 

Yes, because I introduced the subarch name only in 2.4.25. Maybe I should
get a new ramdisk image though...
 
> 13:25 < joeyh> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/debian-installer/kernel/m68k>find |grep
> -i zorro
> 13:25 < joeyh> ./lib/modules/2.4.25-amiga/kernel/drivers/net/zorro8390.o

Thats the one I want. Is there an image with this kernel and modules
available already?

Christian


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 06:26:09AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:23:29PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 04:35:22AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:46:04PM -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > > > Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> > > > few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> > > > work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.
> > > 
> > > I tried this last night on my Amiga2000. Doesn't quite work yet...
> > 
> > Hello Christian.
> > 
> > > The ramdisk option for Amiga is "ramdisk=2", and you have to type it
> > > right as well... I also use the debian-installer/framebuffer option, not
> > > sure if that is necessary.
> > > 
> > > Installation then starts, but it fails to detect my network card, it is an
> > > ariadne2 and I know it works. It is not built into the kernel, but it is a
> > > module in the kernel-image, some time ago the name changed from ariadne2 to
> > > zorro8390. I had a look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel, but it is empty? Can
> > > I load the module manually somehow (where are the modules hiding?) or do I
> > > have to build a kernel-image where the NICs are compiled in? The installer
> > > has been loading lots of ide modules, so there must be modules somewhere.
> > 
> > Can you look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/drivers/net or something such, what
> > module is there. I suppose if the module name did change, then the
> > module name in linux-kernel-di needs to change also.
> 
> IIRC kernel was the only subdirectory in /lib/modules/2.4.24 and that was
> empty. I will have a look again though.

Are you sure it is named 2.4.24, and not 2.4.24-amiga or something such ? 


13:25 < joeyh> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/debian-installer/kernel/m68k>find |grep
-i zorro
13:25 < joeyh> ./lib/modules/2.4.25-amiga/kernel/drivers/net/zorro8390.o
13:25 < joeyh> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/debian-installer/kernel/m68k>find |grep
-i ariadne2
13:25 < joeyh> zsh: done   find |

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:23:29PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 04:35:22AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:46:04PM -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > > Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> > > few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> > > work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.
> > 
> > I tried this last night on my Amiga2000. Doesn't quite work yet...
> 
> Hello Christian.
> 
> > The ramdisk option for Amiga is "ramdisk=2", and you have to type it
> > right as well... I also use the debian-installer/framebuffer option, not
> > sure if that is necessary.
> > 
> > Installation then starts, but it fails to detect my network card, it is an
> > ariadne2 and I know it works. It is not built into the kernel, but it is a
> > module in the kernel-image, some time ago the name changed from ariadne2 to
> > zorro8390. I had a look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel, but it is empty? Can
> > I load the module manually somehow (where are the modules hiding?) or do I
> > have to build a kernel-image where the NICs are compiled in? The installer
> > has been loading lots of ide modules, so there must be modules somewhere.
> 
> Can you look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/drivers/net or something such, what
> module is there. I suppose if the module name did change, then the
> module name in linux-kernel-di needs to change also.

IIRC kernel was the only subdirectory in /lib/modules/2.4.24 and that was
empty. I will have a look again though.

Christian


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 04:35:22AM -0600, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:46:04PM -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> > few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> > work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.
> 
> I tried this last night on my Amiga2000. Doesn't quite work yet...

Hello Christian.

> The ramdisk option for Amiga is "ramdisk=2", and you have to type it
> right as well... I also use the debian-installer/framebuffer option, not
> sure if that is necessary.
> 
> Installation then starts, but it fails to detect my network card, it is an
> ariadne2 and I know it works. It is not built into the kernel, but it is a
> module in the kernel-image, some time ago the name changed from ariadne2 to
> zorro8390. I had a look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel, but it is empty? Can
> I load the module manually somehow (where are the modules hiding?) or do I
> have to build a kernel-image where the NICs are compiled in? The installer
> has been loading lots of ide modules, so there must be modules somewhere.

Can you look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/drivers/net or something such, what
module is there. I suppose if the module name did change, then the
module name in linux-kernel-di needs to change also.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:46:04PM -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.

I tried this last night on my Amiga2000. Doesn't quite work yet...

The ramdisk option for Amiga is "ramdisk=2", and you have to type it
right as well... I also use the debian-installer/framebuffer option, not
sure if that is necessary.

Installation then starts, but it fails to detect my network card, it is an
ariadne2 and I know it works. It is not built into the kernel, but it is a
module in the kernel-image, some time ago the name changed from ariadne2 to
zorro8390. I had a look in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel, but it is empty? Can
I load the module manually somehow (where are the modules hiding?) or do I
have to build a kernel-image where the NICs are compiled in? The installer
has been loading lots of ide modules, so there must be modules somewhere.
   
 
Christian


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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[david howe]

Little success here to report. I have not managed to get a 2ci to boot
on the images at all (penguin gets to ABCEFGHIJ) and my quadra950
reports that their are several instances of 
EXT2-fs error Wrong free inode count in group 0 (and group1 and
superblock)
leading to a kernel panic - fails to load the root filesystem

penguin log is 

Logging started Friday, March 5, 2004 6:10:26 AM
Penguin App version 19

Logical To Physical Mapping table (V2)
Logical -> physical : length
0x -> 0x : 0x0600

System: 8.1.0
Gestalt ID: 26 (Mac Quadra 950)
CPU: 68040
FPU: 68040 built-in
Physical RAM: 96 MB
Command line is 'boot ramdisk_size=2'
GUnzipping untitled:Desktop Folder:m68k2:cdrom-vmlinuz
.Kernel format: ELF

The kernel will be located at physical 0x1000
Kernel at logical address 0x5689330
GUnzipping untitled:Desktop Folder:m68k2:cdrom-vmlinuz
Read 1282284 bytes for segment 0, requested 1282284
.Read 85808 bytes for segment 1, requested 85808

Bootstrap's bootinfo version: 2.0
Kernel's bootinfo version   : 2.0
Kernel entry physical is 0x2000
RAM disk at 0x05805330, ends at 0x05912b30, size is 1078 K
Kernel segment 0 at 0x5689330, size 1466562
Kernel segment 1 at 0x57ef400, size 85808
Kernel size is 0x17b000

boot_info is at 0x5804330
boot_info size is dynamic

ramdisk logical target 0x5ef2800
ramdisk physical at 0x5ef2800
ramdisk physical top at 0x600

Bootstrap logical 1: 0x
Bootstrap physical : 0x

Dump of bootinfo, version 2.0:
BI_MACHTYPE   = 0x3
BI_CPUTYPE= 0x4
BI_FPUTYPE= 0x4
BI_MMUTYPE= 0x4
BI_MEMCHUNK[0].addr   = 0x
BI_MEMCHUNK[0].size   = 0x0600
BI_RAMDISK.addr   = 0x05ef2800
BI_RAMDISK.size   = 0x0010d800
BI_COMMAND_LINE   = boot ramdisk_size=2
BI_MAC_MODEL  = 0x1a
BI_MAC_VADDR  = 0xf9000e00
BI_MAC_VDEPTH = 0x10
BI_MAC_VROW   = 0x680
BI_MAC_VDIM   = 0x02700340
BI_MAC_VLOGICAL   = 0xf9000e00
BI_MAC_SCCBASE= 0x50f0c020
BI_MAC_BTIME  = 0x404819d2
BI_MAC_GMTBIAS= 0x0
BI_MAC_MEMSIZE= 0x60
BI_MAC_CPUID  = 0x2
BI_MAC_ROMBASE= 0x4080

Booting Linux (fasten seat belts, please)...
slot_int_set: slot 0x00, drvr_refnum -49, spID 0xE6, spExtDev 0x00, ON 0

Logging ended Friday, March 5, 2004 6:10:38 AM


On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:46, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> Debian-installer has gotten to the point on m68k that it's ready for a
> few more people than me to try to break it. Ideally, we'd like d-i to
> work before beta 3 gets released in a few weeks.
> 
> I've only tested d-i with a mac Centris 650 running kernel 2.2.25 (2.4
> kernels don't work on the mac). I'd like to see some other macs and 
> amigas make a test run or two.
> 
> I'm working on supporting atari and the vmes, but it'd be nice to know
> that someone out there cares enough to test, otherwise I may not build
> dailies for those subarchs. 
> 
> Installation instructions can be found at 
>
.
> 
>

> might also be useful. Additionally, the mac ram disks require you to
use
> ramdisk_size=2 as a kernel parameter. I intend to minimize that
later, 
> but for now, I doubt you can do an install in less than 40MB (my box
has
> 136MB and that's the only testing I know of).
> 
> My daily builds can be found at 
> 
> 
> The nativehd ram disk loads everything from the net. The cdrom ram
disk
> loads everything from cdrom.
> 
> Hopefully we'll have official cdroms before too long at
> .
> 
> Don't bother trying to install a distribution other than unstable.
> 
> Please file success and failure bug reports. 
> 
> It would also be nice if someone could work on the documentation.
> 
> For more information, check out
>  and the debian-boot
> mailing list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stephen
> 
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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Herbert Kaminski]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:15:34 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

>On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:05:34PM +0100, Herbert Kaminski wrote:
>> ...so trying to test the installer on an MVME162 with only 16MB got
>> no chance to succeed?
>
>Not currently, no. If you have space to expand your available RAM,
>there's a possibility; otherwise, you'll have to wait a bit.

I will see what VME memory boards I can grab from other machines...

Cheers
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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Stephen R Marenka]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:15:34PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:05:34PM +0100, Herbert Kaminski wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:46:04 -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > 
> > >I'm working on supporting atari and the vmes, but it'd be nice to know
> > >that someone out there cares enough to test
> > 
> > Well, yes I do care, but...
> > 
> > >Additionally, the mac ram disks require you to use
> > >ramdisk_size=2 as a kernel parameter. I intend to minimize that later, 
> > >but for now, I doubt you can do an install in less than 40MB (my box has
>^^^
> > >136MB and that's the only testing I know of).
> > 
> > ...so trying to test the installer on an MVME162 with only 16MB got
> > no chance to succeed?
> 
> Not currently, no. If you have space to expand your available RAM,
> there's a possibility; otherwise, you'll have to wait a bit.

I suspect d-i will need a fair amount of work to support a 16MB install.
For kernel 2.2.x, we have to setup a fixed size ram disk at boot. 2.4.x
and later kernels benefit from tmpfs, but the size is still what it is.

I've caught my machine using over 30MB by random chance, so we'd need
early swap or a live filesystem cd or something. 

I've put it on my todo list to look at later.

Stephen

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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:05:34PM +0100, Herbert Kaminski wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:46:04 -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> 
> >I'm working on supporting atari and the vmes, but it'd be nice to know
> >that someone out there cares enough to test
> 
> Well, yes I do care, but...
> 
> >Additionally, the mac ram disks require you to use
> >ramdisk_size=2 as a kernel parameter. I intend to minimize that later, 
> >but for now, I doubt you can do an install in less than 40MB (my box has
   ^^^
> >136MB and that's the only testing I know of).
> 
> ...so trying to test the installer on an MVME162 with only 16MB got
> no chance to succeed?

Not currently, no. If you have space to expand your available RAM,
there's a possibility; otherwise, you'll have to wait a bit.

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Re: m68k debian-installer call for testers

[Herbert Kaminski]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:46:04 -0600, Stephen R Marenka wrote:

>I'm working on supporting atari and the vmes, but it'd be nice to know
>that someone out there cares enough to test

Well, yes I do care, but...

>Additionally, the mac ram disks require you to use
>ramdisk_size=2 as a kernel parameter. I intend to minimize that later, 
>but for now, I doubt you can do an install in less than 40MB (my box has
>136MB and that's the only testing I know of).

...so trying to test the installer on an MVME162 with only 16MB got
no chance to succeed?

Cheers,
  Herbert




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