Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:01:11PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: I've got building oldworld floppies (patch to the build/ directory, and packages for miBoot and my hacked resource editor), and I'm just waiting for some miBoot legal stuff to be sorted out (the version I use doesn't have a license.) Ok, cool. Any news on the legal stuff ? miBoot's author told me that the version I packaged (the one which has no license), was old stuff I shouldn't bother with. However the new stuff needs special kernel images and doesn't work for me. I told him that and I'm waiting his answer. Could you maybe make the patches available somewhere, so we can test them ? Changes to the build/ directory: http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-patch.diff http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-newfiles.tar.gz Ok, i have checked in, but the powerpc-small build doesn't work yet. Can you have a look at it or something ? Just enable powerpc-small in config/powerpc.cfg. Apparently the image is not fully build, but i don't really looked at why, i will have a new look later on. You also need to switch over to the new subversion repository. Not sure you are able to do that, since anonymous access is down right now. If you have ssh access to alioth (you should if you are member of the d-i alioth project), you can : svn co svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk debian-installer miBoot and rsrce package: deb-src http://sprite.fr.eu.org/dist/debian Still waiting on this one, it will probably not be ready for thursday, so we can probably either use your unofficial repo for building the miboot images, or use a local specialized build, until the miboot situation is cleared, and integrate the changes in a later d-i beta or something. Same problem is present for apus. In the meantime, powerpc, power3 and power4 are built for cdrom and netboot, demo is broken though, and i still need to finalize the builtin initrd thingy, which i will do today. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:01:11PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:39:06PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Main problem is that oldworld don't yet work out of the box with d-i, but if you have an older new world box, this would be a good start. I've got building oldworld floppies (patch to the build/ directory, and packages for miBoot and my hacked resource editor), and I'm just waiting for some miBoot legal stuff to be sorted out (the version I use doesn't have a license.) Ok, cool. Any news on the legal stuff ? Could you maybe make the patches available somewhere, so we can test them ? But in the meantime, I can provide boot floppies to Rick if he needs them. Yeah, that would be a solution, but i would also like the patches to build/ be integrated, even if we comment them out, or don't build floppy on powerpc yet, or we need an external miboot package or something. I also plan to change the build system for multiple kernels today, so the above patches would then nicely be integrated then. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:01:11PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: I've got building oldworld floppies (patch to the build/ directory, and packages for miBoot and my hacked resource editor), and I'm just waiting for some miBoot legal stuff to be sorted out (the version I use doesn't have a license.) Ok, cool. Any news on the legal stuff ? miBoot's author told me that the version I packaged (the one which has no license), was old stuff I shouldn't bother with. However the new stuff needs special kernel images and doesn't work for me. I told him that and I'm waiting his answer. Could you maybe make the patches available somewhere, so we can test them ? Changes to the build/ directory: http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-patch.diff http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-newfiles.tar.gz miBoot and rsrce package: deb-src http://sprite.fr.eu.org/dist/debian I don't think commiting the patch would break anything, but I hacked the top-level Makefile a bit, so please review my changes before doing so. Also, all_build won't work anymore for powerpc unless you comment out the added MEDIUM_SUPPORTED in config/powerpc.cfg (or something similar.) And just to be sure: please don't upload the packages yet, there's some crap left and still no license for miBoot. -- Jeremie Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:01:11PM +0100, Jeremie Koenig wrote: I've got building oldworld floppies (patch to the build/ directory, and packages for miBoot and my hacked resource editor), and I'm just waiting for some miBoot legal stuff to be sorted out (the version I use doesn't have a license.) Ok, cool. Any news on the legal stuff ? miBoot's author told me that the version I packaged (the one which has no license), was old stuff I shouldn't bother with. However the new stuff needs special kernel images and doesn't work for me. I told him that and I'm waiting his answer. Ok. Notice that joeyh did set a beta3 update timeline for thursday though, so we will probably not make it. Could you maybe make the patches available somewhere, so we can test them ? Changes to the build/ directory: http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-patch.diff http://sprite.fr.eu.org/d-i-oldworld/build-newfiles.tar.gz miBoot and rsrce package: deb-src http://sprite.fr.eu.org/dist/debian Ok, i will have a look. I don't think commiting the patch would break anything, but I hacked the top-level Makefile a bit, so please review my changes before doing so. Also, all_build won't work anymore for powerpc unless you comment out the added MEDIUM_SUPPORTED in config/powerpc.cfg (or something similar.) Ok, i plan to modify this build system, so i might as well add your patches in one go. Is that ok ? In a way that doesn't break auto-build anyway. And just to be sure: please don't upload the packages yet, there's some crap left and still no license for miBoot. But using it locally to build the oldworld floppy target would be ok. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Thanks! You're very kind. I'm still (figuratively) learning where the bathrooms are, but with help from friends like you I'll be up and running in no time. I'll have to learn how to do svs, docbook, xml and so on myself eventually, and that's one of my top priorities. In the mean time, until I do, I'll take you up on your offer. A first crop of updates will follow in a day or so. Thanks! Rick On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 04:51 PM, Miroslav Kure wrote: If you don't like to mess with docbook and xml, you can send me plain text and I'll docbookize it and commit into the right place. Will do. I can start on this part right away. To whom do I send my errata? See above (send it to me, and I'll take care about the rest). -- Miroslav Kure -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:42:51AM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer docs that are most seriously out of date, and give me a few hints as to where to look for the raw information that I can turn into the needed updates. Great. See the other posts about ppc. I'll point you to the doc/manual/en/. welcome/ is very generic and ok now hardware/ lists supported hardware, so look at supported/powerps.xml preparing/ is quite generic, just some bios and partitioning (should be same as woody) install-methods/ this is heavily arch dependent boot-installer/ dtto the rest of chapters should be common to all archs partitioning/ there are some arch specific bits, but should be same as before. I am a competent technical writer and a native speaker of English with a long background in UNIX, but I am just beginning with Debian Linux Since you are native speaker, it would be very helpful if you could also proofread the generic parts of the manual. Cheers -- Miroslav Kure -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 10:17:46AM +0100, Miroslav Kure wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:42:51AM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer docs that are most seriously out of date, and give me a few hints as to where to look for the raw information that I can turn into the needed updates. Great. See the other posts about ppc. I'll point you to the doc/manual/en/. welcome/ is very generic and ok now hardware/ lists supported hardware, so look at supported/powerps.xml preparing/ is quite generic, just some bios and partitioning (should be same as woody) I don't think so, from a cursory reading, there were some things that need to be changed. woody recomended much more stuff in the original OS of the hardware, while i believe that thanks to libparted, much more can be done with partman. the OF issues were often also absent of the woody documentation, for non-pmac hardware. install-methods/ this is heavily arch dependent boot-installer/ dtto the rest of chapters should be common to all archs partitioning/ there are some arch specific bits, but should be same as before. See my comment above. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:39:06PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Main problem is that oldworld don't yet work out of the box with d-i, but if you have an older new world box, this would be a good start. I've got building oldworld floppies (patch to the build/ directory, and packages for miBoot and my hacked resource editor), and I'm just waiting for some miBoot legal stuff to be sorted out (the version I use doesn't have a license.) But in the meantime, I can provide boot floppies to Rick if he needs them. -- Jeremie Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Thanks! This will be very helpful. Please see my notes below... On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 04:17 AM, Miroslav Kure wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:42:51AM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer docs that are most seriously out of date, and give me a few hints as to where to look for the raw information that I can turn into the needed updates. Great. See the other posts about ppc. I'll point you to the doc/manual/en/. Please remember that I am a *complete* beginner at things Debian. I assume that doc/manual/en is a directory in some repository of document source. Where is this repository located and how (using what protocols/programs) do I access it??? welcome/ is very generic and ok now hardware/ lists supported hardware, so look at supported/powerps.xml preparing/ is quite generic, just some bios and partitioning (should be same as woody) install-methods/ this is heavily arch dependent boot-installer/ dtto the rest of chapters should be common to all archs partitioning/ there are some arch specific bits, but should be same as before. Thanks! This will help me direct my efforts to where they can do the most good. Maybe this will all become clear once I get a look at the document source, but: Is it the plan that there be a separate manual for each architecture, or just a few architecture specific chapters in a generic Installing Debian manual? Does there exist a design document for the installation manual? (I know that's too much to ask of an all-volunteer workforce, but Hey! Sometimes you get lucky!) If (as seems likely) there was no intention per-se (The existing manual just grew as part of an organic process.) what is the current state of affairs on the placement of architecture specific information. I am a competent technical writer and a native speaker of English with a long background in UNIX, but I am just beginning with Debian Linux Since you are native speaker, it would be very helpful if you could also proofread the generic parts of the manual. Will do. I can start on this part right away. To whom do I send my errata? Cheers -- Miroslav Kure Enjoy! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 18:49, Rick Thomas wrote: Please remember that I am a *complete* beginner at things Debian. I assume that doc/manual/en is a directory in some repository of document source. Where is this repository located and how (using what protocols/programs) do I access it??? I'll try to give Rick a start off-list. Cheers, FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXKSmgm/Kwh6ICoQRAkfzAJ45UwYW4KY2Kg9VKY/GJHCiRldMFACgzIAX dT1rxj0m7U0J8OL9wNU0GEg= =w6zQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:50:01AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:59, Rick Thomas wrote: Ahhh... That worked! As I said, Nothing's easy!. I need the PowerPC version. This one's for the i386. Could I impose on you to generate a PowerPC version for me? (Sorry to be a pain!) Sure. Here they are (links tested first this time ;-). http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Those are heavily outdated though. Is there already someone who is interested in updating them ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Friday 19 March 2004 16:31, Sven Luther wrote: Sure. Here they are (links tested first this time ;-). http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Those are heavily outdated though. Is there already someone who is interested in updating them ? What do you mean with 'outdated'. They were build from CVS (updated until I think yesterday). So the content is as fresh as available. If you mean the content is outdated as 'does not really cover the Woody installation' then there is a team working on updating the whole manual, but they can use help. See debian-installer/doc/manual/TODO on CVS. FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:39:56PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 16:31, Sven Luther wrote: Sure. Here they are (links tested first this time ;-). http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Those are heavily outdated though. Is there already someone who is interested in updating them ? What do you mean with 'outdated'. They were build from CVS (updated until I think yesterday). So the content is as fresh as available. Yeah, but not really uptodate with the current debian-installer or sarge stuff. I guess nobody touched that ppc docs since the woody release. If you mean the content is outdated as 'does not really cover the Woody installation' then there is a team working on updating the whole manual, but they can use help. See debian-installer/doc/manual/TODO on CVS. Yeah, but i wanted to know if there was already someone powerpc knowledgeable in that team or not. I am particularly interested in the powerpc related details, like booting, supported arch, name of the kernels, etc. I am not a particularly good english doc writer, and am currently busy with the powerpc d-i support, so if i need to write doc, it will come later. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yeah, but not really uptodate with the current debian-installer or sarge stuff. I guess nobody touched that ppc docs since the woody release. Nobody believed me when I told this months ago :-( Chris Tillman did some updates on powerpc, but I think those were still related to woody. Yeah, but i wanted to know if there was already someone powerpc knowledgeable in that team or not. I am particularly interested in the Well, it seems currently I am the (unvoluntory) team, recently joined by Steinar H. Gunderson. 1. I'm not very good in English language (doing just small updates) 2. I haven't seen anything but i386 (updating only i386 parts) 3. I'm not a DD (being afraid of making changes) Given this, we need more manpower (ideally native speakers). powerpc related details, like booting, supported arch, name of the kernels, etc. I am not a particularly good english doc writer, and am currently busy with the powerpc d-i support, so if i need to write doc, it will come later. Generic chapters of the manual are up-to-date, but anything arch-specific really comes from woody times. I've updated some i386 bits links, but don't count on that. -- Miroslav Kure -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Sven Frans, Maybe this is where I can be of most help. I am a native speaker of English and have been told that my written prose is clear and readable. I've been doing UNIX system administration (with occasional forays into system programming -- kernels utilities) for 30 years (starting with Bell Labs seventh edition UNIX on PDP-11s) I'm just getting started with Debian, so I'll bring a fresh point of view to the topic. I'm a computer networking hobbyist with a particular penchant for old Macs, which I get more-or-less free from my employer when users upgrade to newer models. I would like to start by going over the PowerPC debian-installer manual with a fine toothed comb, trying to follow the directions to install sarge on one or more of my test machines. I'll report what I find, and ask questions on the debian-boot list. Then I'll write the results up as proposed modifications to the manual. If you like what you see, we can talk about eventually getting me access to make changes directly to the source documents. Would that be helpful? Rick On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:31, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:39:56PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 16:31, Sven Luther wrote: Sure. Here they are (links tested first this time ;-). http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Those are heavily outdated though. Is there already someone who is interested in updating them ? What do you mean with 'outdated'. They were build from CVS (updated until I think yesterday). So the content is as fresh as available. Yeah, but not really uptodate with the current debian-installer or sarge stuff. I guess nobody touched that ppc docs since the woody release. If you mean the content is outdated as 'does not really cover the Woody installation' then there is a team working on updating the whole manual, but they can use help. See debian-installer/doc/manual/TODO on CVS. Yeah, but i wanted to know if there was already someone powerpc knowledgeable in that team or not. I am particularly interested in the powerpc related details, like booting, supported arch, name of the kernels, etc. I am not a particularly good english doc writer, and am currently busy with the powerpc d-i support, so if i need to write doc, it will come later. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:28:53PM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: Sven Frans, Maybe this is where I can be of most help. I am a native speaker of English and have been told that my written prose is clear and readable. I've been doing UNIX system administration (with occasional forays into system programming -- kernels utilities) for 30 years (starting with Bell Labs seventh edition UNIX on PDP-11s) I'm just getting started with Debian, so I'll bring a fresh point of view to the topic. I'm a computer networking hobbyist with a particular penchant for old Macs, which I get more-or-less free from my employer when users upgrade to newer models. I would like to start by going over the PowerPC debian-installer manual with a fine toothed comb, trying to follow the directions to install sarge on one or more of my test machines. I'll report what I find, and ask questions on the debian-boot list. Then I'll write the results up as proposed modifications to the manual. If you like what you see, we can talk about eventually getting me access to make changes directly to the source documents. Would that be helpful? Yes, that would be extremely helpfull, i think. Please CC me too with those change though. Main problem is that oldworld don't yet work out of the box with d-i, but if you have an older new world box, this would be a good start. We would need updated entries for prep, chrp/pegasos and rs6k boxes too. First general thing that needs updated, is the kernel information. Please ask me questions, and look at : http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-patch-2.4.25-powerpc.html For the available packages. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:39:58PM +0100, Miroslav Kure wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Yeah, but not really uptodate with the current debian-installer or sarge stuff. I guess nobody touched that ppc docs since the woody release. Nobody believed me when I told this months ago :-( Yeah, well i believe everybody is working on getting d-i to work first, and worries about the doc later on. Chris Tillman did some updates on powerpc, but I think those were still related to woody. Ok. Anyway, things did change a lot on ppc since then, and even for woody, some subarches were outdated. Yeah, but i wanted to know if there was already someone powerpc knowledgeable in that team or not. I am particularly interested in the Well, it seems currently I am the (unvoluntory) team, recently joined by Steinar H. Gunderson. This is for generic d-i docs, not anything ppc specific, right ? 1. I'm not very good in English language (doing just small updates) 2. I haven't seen anything but i386 (updating only i386 parts) Ok. 3. I'm not a DD (being afraid of making changes) Not a problem, really. Given this, we need more manpower (ideally native speakers). Yeah, and manpower which would not be missed by the code d-i work. powerpc related details, like booting, supported arch, name of the kernels, etc. I am not a particularly good english doc writer, and am currently busy with the powerpc d-i support, so if i need to write doc, it will come later. Generic chapters of the manual are up-to-date, but anything arch-specific really comes from woody times. I've updated some i386 bits links, but don't count on that. Ok. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Miroslav and/or Sven, Please see my offer to help (with the same subject as this item -- posted to the debian-boot mailing list). I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer docs that are most seriously out of date, and give me a few hints as to where to look for the raw information that I can turn into the needed updates. I am a competent technical writer and a native speaker of English with a long background in UNIX, but I am just beginning with Debian Linux (Having mostly used RedHat and/or Yellowdog in the past). Please forgive me if I ask what seem like stupid questions while I'm learning to do things the Debian way. I can read code or changelogs, if that's the only way to figure out what's going on, but design documents or programmer's notes will be the most directly helpful. Also remember that I have only about an hour a day that I can afford to give to this project, so progress may not be rapid -- especially while I'm still learning where things are and how they work. Enjoy! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:42:51AM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: Miroslav and/or Sven, Please see my offer to help (with the same subject as this item -- posted to the debian-boot mailing list). I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer docs that are most seriously out of date, and give me a few hints as to where to look for the raw information that I can turn into the needed updates. Ok. I believe you are familiar with the way pmacs work, but there are other powerpc hardware out there. I believe we could start by writing a working document describing various issues which would be needed in order to write the real install document later on. This would contain : 1) description of all powerpc hardware. old world pmac, new world pmac, prep boxes, non-ibm chrp boxes, IBM RS6000 chrp boxes, pegasos chrp, those with a powerpc processor, and those with a power3 or power4/G5 processor. Maybe we can list others, but those are not currently supported. A hardware table or something listing all known models would be nice thing also, and a checkbox for those known to have booted d-i. A, i forgot the apus boxes, naturally. Those are amigas with a powerpc accelerator card (dual cpu m86k-powerpc). 2) Desciptions of the various partition tables suppported by those (i guess MBR, Mac partition tables and amiga partition tables cover it), and of the way they boot (old world : miboot, bootx, quik, of from serial console, new world : of, yaboot, chrp/prep : yaboot, of, prep boot partition). A small OF manual, and the peculiarities of the different individual OF implementations would be welcome. Also, a third info on this level would be the type of kernels used for booting (pmac : pure vmlinux for yaboot, .coff for OF booting. chrp, chrp-rs6k and prep/simple vmlinuz for those respective boxes) also a mention of builtin initrd would be nice. 3) Maybe some info about : booting from disk, booting (autobooting) from cdrom, and netbooting. 4) maybe some links for relevant projects or web sites for each of those topics. I think this is the essential info concerning the ppc specific stuff in the installation manual. Once we have a clear view of those, we can easily take info from this document and integrate it in the relevant parts of the installation manual. I have learned many of the above the hard way, so i could help you get that info, and also connect you with the people who own said hardware and are interested in debian directly. Notice that this first document could also be used by the powerpc d-i porters, or even other interested in this. It could even become material for a presentation in some linux forum or something such ? Especially if we add a section about other linux distros working on powerpc. I am a competent technical writer and a native speaker of English with a long background in UNIX, but I am just beginning with Debian Linux (Having mostly used RedHat and/or Yellowdog in the past). Please forgive me if I ask what seem like stupid questions while I'm learning to do things the Debian way. I can read code or changelogs, if that's the only way to figure out what's going on, but design documents or programmer's notes will be the most directly helpful. Also remember that I have only about an hour a day that I can afford to give to this project, so progress may not be rapid -- especially while I'm still learning where things are and how they work. No problem, i will help you as best i can on this, altough i am mostly using my time in the technical issues. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry, messed up with the links (copied FTP to HTML) :-( Below are the correct ones (unless I messed up again). No, tested. These are OK. On Thursday 18 March 2004 03:35, Rick_Thomas wrote: Is the Preliminary Sarge Installation Manual available as a PDF or in some other form that can be printed directly to paper? By chance I build a pdf (English) only yesterday from current CVS. It is available at: http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Have fun, FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWfXYgm/Kwh6ICoQRAk6eAKC/gywLe4a83L7fXsT5nUIUa1ZmdQCg1yW1 VF3c1VP/UVYRliiMn7l1N1E= =tcRH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
If not, ask smart questions[1] [1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I sincerely hope that what I've been asking so far are not viewed as dumb questions! Here's my first feedback on the manual (since I have to read the manual before I can start using the installer!) It would be really nice if the html version of the manual had a prominent link to a PDF or plain-ascii-text version, for the sake of those like me who have trouble reading large html documents from CRT screens. I'll have to read up on how to submit a bug-report on this. (Yes, I've located the section of the installation manual that points to the other manual that points to... and tells how to submit a bug report.) In the mean time, I'll also be reading up on CVS and trying to figure out how to generate my own PDF or text from the hints I've got so far. Are there any other developer tools I should be reading up on in order to get to the point of having a readable installation manual in hand? Hopefully, all this will eventually lead to my being able to make a useful contribution to testing the OldWorld PowerMac version of debian installer -- which was the original aim, after all! Thanks! Rick You are right, we should update the What can I do to help? section. So it is attached... +An other way to help is test the Debian-Installer +on your hardware, especailly if you have access to none Intel computers. +/p + +p +Follow the instructions from + a href=http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/;the install manual/a. + ( feedback on the manual is also welcome ) +/p -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Frans, That's wonderful! However, nothing's easy. I get not found errors from both of those links. Am I missing something? Thanks! Rick Frans Pop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 03:35, Rick_Thomas wrote: Is the Preliminary Sarge Installation Manual available as a PDF or in some other form that can be printed directly to paper? By chance I build a pdf (English) only yesterday from current CVS. It is available at: http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/d-i/install.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/d-i/install.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Have fun, FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWe3rgm/Kwh6ICoQRAhARAKCwKZh5Yz/kSN3vCDP0AwqfKjotTwCfejdn UDchmqRKH7SEnkXsTPYUCfQ= =C/nf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Ahhh... That worked! As I said, Nothing's easy!. I need the PowerPC version. This one's for the i386. Could I impose on you to generate a PowerPC version for me? (Sorry to be a pain!) Thanks in advance! Rick Frans Pop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry, messed up with the links (copied FTP to HTML) :-( Below are the correct ones (unless I messed up again). No, tested. These are OK. On Thursday 18 March 2004 03:35, Rick_Thomas wrote: Is the Preliminary Sarge Installation Manual available as a PDF or in some other form that can be printed directly to paper? By chance I build a pdf (English) only yesterday from current CVS. It is available at: http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) Have fun, FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWfXYgm/Kwh6ICoQRAk6eAKC/gywLe4a83L7fXsT5nUIUa1ZmdQCg1yW1 VF3c1VP/UVYRliiMn7l1N1E= =tcRH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:59, Rick Thomas wrote: Ahhh... That worked! As I said, Nothing's easy!. I need the PowerPC version. This one's for the i386. Could I impose on you to generate a PowerPC version for me? (Sorry to be a pain!) Sure. Here they are (links tested first this time ;-). http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf (460 kb) or : http://home.tiscali.nl/isildur/d-i/install_powerpc.en.pdf.gz (254 kb) You're welcome. FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWjW0gm/Kwh6ICoQRAkP+AJ9Wl+HEMB3EB5geUOB572onx42CBgCgx9uy kI8qkXzOVkUmd0jl2VZGImQ= =RzDp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:08:16PM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote something like: On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 05:56, Geert Stappers wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:04:45PM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 06:44, Sven Luther wrote: [ PowerPC PowerMac tester needed ] I have an interest in seeing oldworld power macs work, and I have a PowerMac 6500 and beige Mac G3 tower I can dedicate to the task. I don't have the expertise or the time (only about an hour a night, realistically) to do anything but testing -- follow fairly explicit directions and report results -- but I'm willing to do what I can. That is a nice offer. I've got a cable modem (about 2 Mbit/sec after 11PM), a CD/RW burner and a couple of CD/RW blanks, so I'm all set for downloads. Just tell me where to start. From http://www.de.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Geert, Thanks for the pointer. As I said I do not have the time or expertise to do anything more than test things that other people build. Give me fairly explicit directions for installing something on an oldworld machine, and I'll send you back a report on what happened. I've got a 6500 and a beige (tower) G3 that I can use for this kind of testing. I do not have a spare newworld machine to test things on. Sorry! The more detail you give me, the more detail I can give back. But remember that I've only got one hour per evening to dedicate to the operation. I understand that nitty-gritty developer help is desperately needed. Sorry! I'm not your guy for that. Others will have to step up. You are right, we should update the What can I do to help? section. So it is attached... Enjoy! Rick Cheers Geert Stappers The unified diff is against de webwml CVS module from cvs.debian.org Index: english/devel/debian-installer/index.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/devel/debian-installer/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.53 diff -u -r1.53 index.wml --- english/devel/debian-installer/index.wml16 Mar 2004 03:12:56 - 1.53 +++ english/devel/debian-installer/index.wml18 Mar 2004 00:43:23 - @@ -107,6 +107,16 @@ /ul +p +An other way to help is test the Debian-Installer +on your hardware, especailly if you have access to none Intel computers. +/p + +p +Follow the instructions from + a href=http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/;the install manual/a. + ( feedback on the manual is also welcome ) +/p h1Contacting us/h1
Re: testing beyond Intel [PATCH]
Thanks! That looks like it will be very helpful in getting me started. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I find reading extensive documentation off a CRT screen very difficult. My eyesight is more or less normal for a middle-aged male human, but low contrast -- such as from a CRT -- makes me very tired very quickly. High contrast black print on white paper is much less difficult. (Also, curling up in my favorite easy chair with a CRT is not as much fun as with a paper document! (-8) ) Is the Preliminary Sarge Installation Manual available as a PDF or in some other form that can be printed directly to paper? Thanks again! Rick On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 20:06, Geert Stappers wrote: You are right, we should update the What can I do to help? section. So it is attached... Enjoy! Rick Cheers Geert Stappers The unified diff is against de webwml CVS module from cvs.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
