Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Hi, I think that some type of message should be written in the installer that is used with speech telling the user that if you don't need to wipe the disk like if it is already encrypted then you can press control and c to abort the process so that the message is clear and so that it is known to the user that they don't have to wait until the entire wiping process is completed if they don't want to. Nick Gawronski On 5/2/2022 7:39 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: Am 2. Mai 2022 13:58:54 MESZ schrieb Samuel Thibault : Holger Wansing, le lun. 02 mai 2022 13:52:36 +0200, a ecrit: Nick is right, if you perform an install with speech output, there is no interactive possibility to cancel the full disk wipe action in the text frontend used for speech! In the newt frontend or graphical installer there is the Cancel button, but not in the text frontend, sadly. That was fixed in cdebconf 0.261, one can just press control-C. Uups. Yes, I used an outdated image for testing, my bad... Holger
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Am 2. Mai 2022 13:58:54 MESZ schrieb Samuel Thibault : >Holger Wansing, le lun. 02 mai 2022 13:52:36 +0200, a ecrit: >> Nick is right, if you perform an install with speech output, there is no >> interactive possibility to cancel the full disk wipe action in the text >> frontend used for speech! >> In the newt frontend or graphical installer there is the Cancel button, >> but not in the text frontend, sadly. > >That was fixed in cdebconf 0.261, one can just press control-C. Uups. Yes, I used an outdated image for testing, my bad... Holger -- Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Holger Wansing, le lun. 02 mai 2022 13:52:36 +0200, a ecrit: > Nick is right, if you perform an install with speech output, there is no > interactive possibility to cancel the full disk wipe action in the text > frontend used for speech! > In the newt frontend or graphical installer there is the Cancel button, > but not in the text frontend, sadly. That was fixed in cdebconf 0.261, one can just press control-C. Samuel
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Hi Nick, Nick Gawronski wrote (Sun, 1 May 2022 17:19:48 -0500): > Hi, I am totally blind and use the s option at boot to start the > installer with speech output. If I wish to add this kernel command line > option yet still run the installation using software speech output would > pressing s then tab and then entering in the command line switches then > pressing enter work as control and c does not do the canceling operation > like it should and I had to wait until the entire disk was wiped? yes, typing in the commandline switch should work as you described. But be aware, that the installer uses a qwerty (english) keyboard layout in that stage. That might be tricky, if you use another layout usually (especially because you need to type some special symbols as well, not only alphabetical characters). And I have tested it, it works as described, the full disk wipe is skipped automatically then. Another comment: Nick is right, if you perform an install with speech output, there is no interactive possibility to cancel the full disk wipe action in the text frontend used for speech! In the newt frontend or graphical installer there is the Cancel button, but not in the text frontend, sadly. Regards Holger > > On 5/1/2022 5:54 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > > Nick Gawronski writes: > > > >> Hi, I had to reinstall debian and like to encrypt my installations. > >> Regardless of what installation image I use I find that no choice exists > >> to not do the complete wiping of the disk before the LVM manager is > >> setup. I get that it will be possible to press control and c to stop > >> the process but having an option like a choice in the last step asking > >> if you wish to do this complete wipe would be better. If the system was > >> already encrypted and all you were doing was doing a reinstallation then > >> going threw that process again to me is pointless. Is this > >> something that could possibly be looked at for a future release? Nick > >> Gawronski > > If you're doing an interactive install, the expectation is that you > > cancel it if you don't want to wait for it, since that seems the way to > > ensure that people that don't know what they're doing still get a safe > > result. > > > > It's been possible to override this via preseeding (since 2017[1]), > > either in a preseed.cfg, thus: > > > >d-i partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks boolean false > > > > or on the kernel command line: > > > >partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks=false > > > > which you could do in an otherwise interactive install, if that's what > > you wanted. > > > > For more such preseeding hints, check out the example preseed.cfg: > > > >https://d-i.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt > > > > which is linked to from here: > > > >https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs02.html > > > > HTH > > > > Cheers, Phil. > > > > [1] https://bugs.debian.org/476388 > -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Hi, I am totally blind and use the s option at boot to start the installer with speech output. If I wish to add this kernel command line option yet still run the installation using software speech output would pressing s then tab and then entering in the command line switches then pressing enter work as control and c does not do the canceling operation like it should and I had to wait until the entire disk was wiped? Nick Gawronski On 5/1/2022 5:54 AM, Philip Hands wrote: Nick Gawronski writes: Hi, I had to reinstall debian and like to encrypt my installations. Regardless of what installation image I use I find that no choice exists to not do the complete wiping of the disk before the LVM manager is setup. I get that it will be possible to press control and c to stop the process but having an option like a choice in the last step asking if you wish to do this complete wipe would be better. If the system was already encrypted and all you were doing was doing a reinstallation then going threw that process again to me is pointless. Is this something that could possibly be looked at for a future release? Nick Gawronski If you're doing an interactive install, the expectation is that you cancel it if you don't want to wait for it, since that seems the way to ensure that people that don't know what they're doing still get a safe result. It's been possible to override this via preseeding (since 2017[1]), either in a preseed.cfg, thus: d-i partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks boolean false or on the kernel command line: partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks=false which you could do in an otherwise interactive install, if that's what you wanted. For more such preseeding hints, check out the example preseed.cfg: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt which is linked to from here: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs02.html HTH Cheers, Phil. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/476388
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Nick Gawronski writes: > Hi, I had to reinstall debian and like to encrypt my installations. > Regardless of what installation image I use I find that no choice exists > to not do the complete wiping of the disk before the LVM manager is > setup. I get that it will be possible to press control and c to stop > the process but having an option like a choice in the last step asking > if you wish to do this complete wipe would be better. If the system was > already encrypted and all you were doing was doing a reinstallation then > going threw that process again to me is pointless. Is this > something that could possibly be looked at for a future release? Nick > Gawronski If you're doing an interactive install, the expectation is that you cancel it if you don't want to wait for it, since that seems the way to ensure that people that don't know what they're doing still get a safe result. It's been possible to override this via preseeding (since 2017[1]), either in a preseed.cfg, thus: d-i partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks boolean false or on the kernel command line: partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks=false which you could do in an otherwise interactive install, if that's what you wanted. For more such preseeding hints, check out the example preseed.cfg: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt which is linked to from here: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs02.html HTH Cheers, Phil. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/476388 -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Hi, > Am 01.05.2022 um 02:04 schrieb Nick Gawronski : > Hi, I had to reinstall debian and like to encrypt my installations. > Regardless of what installation image I use I find that no choice exists to > not do the complete wiping of the disk before the LVM manager is setup. I > get that it will be possible to press control and c to stop the process but > having an option like a choice in the last step asking if you wish to do this > complete wipe would be better. If the system was already encrypted and all > you were doing was doing a reinstallation then going threw that process again > to me is pointless. Is this something that could possibly be looked at > for a future release? I’ve installed Debian with a crypted LVM a few times during the last two months with braille support and I was able to cancel the wiping process of the harddisk during installation without a problem. Do not know how it is when installation is done with speech support only. Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)
Hi, I had to reinstall debian and like to encrypt my installations. Regardless of what installation image I use I find that no choice exists to not do the complete wiping of the disk before the LVM manager is setup. I get that it will be possible to press control and c to stop the process but having an option like a choice in the last step asking if you wish to do this complete wipe would be better. If the system was already encrypted and all you were doing was doing a reinstallation then going threw that process again to me is pointless. Is this something that could possibly be looked at for a future release? Nick Gawronski On 11/17/2021 3:34 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: john doe, le mer. 17 nov. 2021 21:58:00 +0100, a ecrit: Unless I'm missing something, one could preseed this question as kernel boot parameter: # When disk encryption is enabled, skip wiping the partitions beforehand. #d-i partman-auto-crypto/erase_disks boolean false Yes, but that's way easier to just interrupt the step than finding out how to preseed a parameter Samuel
