Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
On Mon 26 Nov, Richard Atterer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:12:53PM +, Philip Blundell wrote: > > Internal ISDN cards need a pile of modules, plus some supporting > > user-space stuff. I don't think there is any hope of adding this to > > the woody boot-floppies at this stage in the game, > > Hm, OK - so I think the cdimage website will advise people that only > the option of downloading a minimal bootable CD image is available to > ISDN users, not that of installing from floppy discs. You need to be careful with the use of the term 'ISDN' as this refers to the connection not the computer interface, which is the bit that may cause boot-floppies problems if you have anunsupported sort. i.e. it is only internal ISDN adaptors that cause problems, not extrnal ones that use a serial or ethernet interface - they look just like modems or routers respectively and work fine. I have a serial extrernal ISDN TA here and it work OK with bootfloppies. So the website should say that people with internal ISDN adaptors can't do a network install, but those with extranl ISDN TAs can. Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel +44 (0) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:12:53PM +, Philip Blundell wrote: > Internal ISDN cards need a pile of modules, plus some supporting > user-space stuff. I don't think there is any hope of adding this to > the woody boot-floppies at this stage in the game, Hm, OK - so I think the cdimage website will advise people that only the option of downloading a minimal bootable CD image is available to ISDN users, not that of installing from floppy discs. (As mentioned on debian-cd before, someone will hopefully create business-card-size CD images for the woody releases. These will probably contain everything necessary to support ISDN.) Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 12:18:44AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach »Florian Lohoff« am 2001-11-25 um 23:31:01 +0100 : > > ISDN a few years back). Flatrates are only available with ISDN. > > Where? I thought that the only flatrate which survived, was the T-DSL > flatrate? Many local Bells offers flatrates nowadays which requires to take an ISDN line from them too. FLo -- Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49-5201-669912 Nine nineth on september the 9th Welcome to the new billenium msg12726/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
So sprach »Florian Lohoff« am 2001-11-25 um 23:31:01 +0100 : > ISDN a few years back). Flatrates are only available with ISDN. Where? I thought that the only flatrate which survived, was the T-DSL flatrate? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 15 hours 37 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:03:09PM -0800, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Perhaps if they do not, they should. Someone should perform that > labor and make it possible. I wonder if it would require an entire > new flavor of images, or if it's only a matter of inserting the > correct modules? I know zilch about ISDN. modules + isdnctrl + ipppd Not too bad and definitly worth doing as i know that Germany wide >50% of the users meanwhile dial in with ISDN. (German Telekom sponsored ISDN a few years back). Flatrates are only available with ISDN. Flo -- Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49-5201-669912 Nine nineth on september the 9th Welcome to the new billenium msg12826/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
> "Philip" == Philip Blundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> In message Philip> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Philip> M. Hegbloom writes: >> Perhaps if they do not, they should. Someone should perform >> that labor and make it possible. I wonder if it would require >> an entire new flavor of images, or if it's only a matter of >> inserting the correct modules? I know zilch about ISDN. Philip> Internal ISDN cards need a pile of modules, plus some Philip> supporting user-space stuff. I don't think there is any Philip> hope of adding this to the woody boot-floppies at this Philip> stage in the game, but it should be possible to support it Philip> under debian-installer if someone wants to do the work. If that translates to "if someong ELSE wants to do the work", then it may never happen. Can you code? Fire up your editor, Philip! Philip> External TAs should be okay. I don't know if we ship the Philip> modules you need to use USB modems right now, but it Philip> should be easy to add them to the driver disks if not. Philip> Ethernet and serial versions ought to "just work" already. Woody boot-floppies has a point where it asks if you want to pull in a custom module set from a floppy. Perhaps that can be extended to also pull in some binaries from a floppy; or perhaps that tar.gz on the floppy (is it one?) can contain the userspace utils. (mind the .so depends or link static - the BF .so set is a subset, not the full library) It might be a relativly simple matter of building matching modules and and userspace utils and putting them on a separate floppy. The other thing though is that, for PPP install, it doesn't happen until AFTER the reboot anyhow, right? So it would be the same for ISDN... anyhow, it's your puppy. I have DSL, not ISDN. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl M. Hegbloom wr ites: > Perhaps if they do not, they should. Someone should perform that > labor and make it possible. I wonder if it would require an entire > new flavor of images, or if it's only a matter of inserting the > correct modules? I know zilch about ISDN. Internal ISDN cards need a pile of modules, plus some supporting user-space stuff. I don't think there is any hope of adding this to the woody boot-floppies at this stage in the game, but it should be possible to support it under debian-installer if someone wants to do the work. External TAs should be okay. I don't know if we ship the modules you need to use USB modems right now, but it should be easy to add them to the driver disks if not. Ethernet and serial versions ought to "just work" already. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
> "Richard" == Richard Atterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Do the woody bootfloppies support installing via ISDN? Perhaps if they do not, they should. Someone should perform that labor and make it possible. I wonder if it would require an entire new flavor of images, or if it's only a matter of inserting the correct modules? I know zilch about ISDN. -- We are deB.ORG; you will be freed. Deliverance is inevitable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug: cdimage.debian.org should warn against downloading with an ISDN connection
[Crossposting to debian-boot, please CC me any debian-boot-only posts] On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:21:15PM +0100, Markus Redeker wrote: > The help pages on cdimage.debian.org (especially > http://cdimage.debian.org/ch11.html) recommend that one should > download Debian from Internet if one has a free Internet connection. > > This is not true if one has only an ISDN connection! > > In this case, the automatic setup procedure (which assumes a modem > connection) fails, and one first has to download somehow the ISDN > packages and configure the ISDN system before one can proceed. > > In almost all cases, ISDN users should therefore install their > debian from CD instead. I'm currently updating the cdimage website - should I really discourage ISDN users from installing via the net? Do the woody bootfloppies support installing via ISDN? Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ ´` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
