Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Ardo van Rangelrooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, I can make a version for potato which (more or less) solves this, but > the real question of course is will the RM let me put it in potato. In other > words: how critical do you think this is for it needing to be fixed in potato? Honestly, I think we can fix it in the SGML sources and it's not critical enough. OTOH, I am requiring the Russian support which is only on the new debiandoc-sgml. That would be more critical to get into Potato... anyhow, it stacks up. It's hard for me to say. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Adam Di Carlo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Michael Sobolev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:38:34PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > > I guess so. Since we aren't likely (I don't think!) to get an updated > > > debiandoc-sgml, can someone check to see whether we could perhaps > > > define the mdash entity, when making HTML, to '-' or '--', perhaps in > > > defaults.ent? > > > Well, my knowledge of SGML is not very solid, so I could be wrong, but AFAIK > > just defining mdash somewhere in the document does not help, as those ISO > > entities are processed earlier, and, as we all know, in SGML world the first > > wins. :) > > It's true that the first wins, but defining it in the document > preamble, for instance, would definately be the first and win. > > > > If someone can get this fixed (I don't have time) and just commit it > > > in CVS that would pretty much fix the problem. > > > Maybe we could wait a bit before Ardo pays some attention to #72550? > > Yes, but is he planning on putting that into Potato? Well, I can make a version for potato which (more or less) solves this, but the real question of course is will the RM let me put it in potato. In other words: how critical do you think this is for it needing to be fixed in potato? Thanks, Ardo -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://home.flevonet.nl/~avrangel, http://www.debian.org/~ardo PGP fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On 2929T233002+0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: > On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:20:11PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > In HTML, there is no portable way to represent an em-dash - except by > > using a plain old "-". > You mean two of them, do you not? :) No, not at least in Finnish. Don't know what the recommendation is for English. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Michael Sobolev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:38:34PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > I guess so. Since we aren't likely (I don't think!) to get an updated > > debiandoc-sgml, can someone check to see whether we could perhaps > > define the mdash entity, when making HTML, to '-' or '--', perhaps in > > defaults.ent? > Well, my knowledge of SGML is not very solid, so I could be wrong, but AFAIK > just defining mdash somewhere in the document does not help, as those ISO > entities are processed earlier, and, as we all know, in SGML world the first > wins. :) It's true that the first wins, but defining it in the document preamble, for instance, would definately be the first and win. > > If someone can get this fixed (I don't have time) and just commit it > > in CVS that would pretty much fix the problem. > Maybe we could wait a bit before Ardo pays some attention to #72550? Yes, but is he planning on putting that into Potato? -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:36:06PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's >very > > bad. :-( > > Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this thread. > Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? Well, I submitted bug #72550. This is a wishlist, though. Or do you think that nonreadable mdashes are more than just inconvenience? If so, you could submit a bug against boot-floppies... -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:38:34PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this > > thread. Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? > > I guess so. Since we aren't likely (I don't think!) to get an updated > debiandoc-sgml, can someone check to see whether we could perhaps > define the mdash entity, when making HTML, to '-' or '--', perhaps in > defaults.ent? Well, my knowledge of SGML is not very solid, so I could be wrong, but AFAIK just defining mdash somewhere in the document does not help, as those ISO entities are processed earlier, and, as we all know, in SGML world the first wins. :) > If someone can get this fixed (I don't have time) and just commit it > in CVS that would pretty much fix the problem. Maybe we could wait a bit before Ardo pays some attention to #72550? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 05:07:48PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:44:12AM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) > > > I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and &mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML >pages > > As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's >very > > bad. :-( > > Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this > thread. Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? I guess so. Since we aren't likely (I don't think!) to get an updated debiandoc-sgml, can someone check to see whether we could perhaps define the mdash entity, when making HTML, to '-' or '--', perhaps in defaults.ent? If someone can get this fixed (I don't have time) and just commit it in CVS that would pretty much fix the problem. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 05:07:48PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:44:12AM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) > > I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and &mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML >pages > As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's very > bad. :-( Yes. This brings us back to what I mention at the beggining of this thread. Shoudn't the concerned file be adapted then ? > > -- > Misha > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eric.ath.cx Please don't send proprietary format documents, I can't (and don't want to) open them. Appreciated are open-source formats like .txt or .rtf. Dvi, ps or tex files are welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:44:12AM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) > I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and &mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML pages As I already said, Netscape is known to not support all those entities. That's very bad. :-( -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 11:37:21PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:22:01PM -0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps &mdash to >&mdash > > > which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we >need to > > > use — but conformance is not guaranteed. I'll check the whole table and >let you > > > know what's up. > > According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) > I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and &mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML pages Yeah, as HTML has shown, standards are meaningless w/o support of the standards. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 11:37:21PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:22:01PM -0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps &mdash to >&mdash > > which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we >need to > > use — but conformance is not guaranteed. I'll check the whole table and let >you > > know what's up. > According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) I'm using Netscpae 4.75 with Potato and &mdash isn't resolved when i read HTML pages > > -- > Misha > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eric.ath.cx Please don't send proprietary format documents, I can't (and don't want to) open them. Appreciated are open-source formats like .txt or .rtf. Dvi, ps or tex files are welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:22:01PM -0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps &mdash to >&mdash > which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we need >to > use — but conformance is not guaranteed. I'll check the whole table and let you > know what's up. According to Section 24 of HTML 4.01 specification, mdash is a valid entity. :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:20:11PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > In HTML, there is no portable way to represent an em-dash - except by > using a plain old "-". You mean two of them, do you not? :) -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On 2927T162201-0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps &mdash to >&mdash > which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we need >to > use — but conformance is not guaranteed. 151's meaning depends on the charset. In latin-1 it appears to be undefined (ie. dragons be there). In HTML, there is no portable way to represent an em-dash - except by using a plain old "-". -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
I'll look into this. The HTML translation map in debiandoc-sgml maps &mdash to &mdash which according to the HTML/XHTML book of O'Reilly doesn't exist. Probably we need to use — but conformance is not guaranteed. I'll check the whole table and let you know what's up. Thanks, Ardo Michael Sobolev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 07:10:35PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) >— isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! > > > > > > > > > > Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... > > > > > Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml > > > processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain > > > ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. > > > > Hmm. Sounds like a bug on debiandoc-sgml... Can anyone look into > > that? > Do you really think it's a bug? > > -- > Misha > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://home.flevonet.nl/~avrangel, http://www.debian.org/~ardo PGP fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 07:10:35PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) >— isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! > > > > > > > > Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... > > > Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml > > processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain > > ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. > > Hmm. Sounds like a bug on debiandoc-sgml... Can anyone look into > that? Do you really think it's a bug? -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
Michael Sobolev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > > > > I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) — >isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! > > > > > > Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... > Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml > processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain > ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. Hmm. Sounds like a bug on debiandoc-sgml... Can anyone look into that? -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > > > I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) — >isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! > > > > Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... Actually, the correct answer here is: it should depend on your sgml processor. :) Netscape is known to not process correctly certain ISO entities. IE does the job much better in this very case. -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:54:50PM +0100, Martin Keegan wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > > I just checked the web pages and apparently (on my Nestcape, at least) — >isn't converted at all, which is quite ugly ! > > Well it should depend entirely on your DTD ... What do you mean ? The pages I refer to are generated from cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/documentation. > > Mk > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eric.ath.cx Please don't send proprietary format documents, I can't (and don't want to) open them. Appreciated are open-source formats like .txt or .rtf. Dvi, ps or tex files are welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: &mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 03:50:37PM +0200, Van Buggenhaut wrote: > There's an apparently new variable introduced in recent versions of canonical > files, it's — I'm desperately trying to find out what it refers to. Has > the french translation of it been included. Can anyone help ? It refers to a dash of length of the letter `m'. :) A long dash. There is also ndash and, I believe, others. > Also where are the lists of the other "variables" and their related local > translations ? The file you are looking for is /usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOpub. The idea behind mdash is that in different cases you may need different constructions to show appropriate symbols. Two good examples come to my mind: HTML and TeX. Hope this helps, -- Misha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
&mdash in boot-floppies/documentation
I've been trying to keep french boot-floppies doc updated for the last months. There's an apparently new variable introduced in recent versions of canonical files, it's — I'm desperately trying to find out what it refers to. Has the french translation of it been included. Can anyone help ? Also where are the lists of the other "variables" and their related local translations ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eric.ath.cx Please don't send proprietary format documents, I can't (and don't want to) open them. Appreciated are open-source formats like .txt or .rtf. Dvi, ps or tex files are welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
