Re: my experiences withthe new Debian installer
Eric S. Johansson wrote: > enabling shadow passwords question is expert friendly but if there's > ever a streamlined path, just assume a yes. FWIW the next release of the installer will not ask about shadow passwords and will generally be much less verbose in the whole second stage by default. > the X11 install is still as (un)friendly as ever. I have been spoiled > by the likes of Xandros and Windows because they just figure out what > video card is present without requiring someone to pull the top of the > system, and intuit video card profile from either the remnants of > silkscreening or an FCC ID number. Remember, I'm using a Frankenstein > box here. My selection process for video card was minimum dust and a 15 > pin connector on the back that fits a video cable. I don't believe my > junk box has a video card that was manufactured before 1997. And yes, > Windows 2000 and Xandros both properly identified the card but, bright > person that I am, I forgot to it write down. > > so now I have my boot prompt, X doesn't run because I didn't even try to > get the settings right. This could be a lack of read-edid and mdetect, I have not tried to go all the way and install X, so I'm not sure if base-config properly installs them first or not. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: my experiences withthe new Debian installer
Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Hi Could you please tell us which version of the installer you tried (download location and date). sure. It was beta 1 (sarge-i386-businesscard.iso). unfortunately, I do not know the date although I grabbed it with wget and the file date is November 14. Do you understand you right: You tried DHCP without the cable and it failed and then retried with the cable plugged-in and it failed again? that's correct. I left the cable out on initial install, waited for the install to fail and then plugged in the cable and tried again at which point is still fail. I did not try hard to reproduce it because I thought it was such an obvious bug that it would have been detected in fixed by now. This problem existed once with some DHCP clients, but shoud have been fixed long ago. indeed. Since I need to reinstall to correct my X11 errors, is there another CD image you would like me to use to confirm whether or not the bug has been fixed? also, is there a list of errors you would like me to verify if they are fixed or not? ---eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my experiences withthe new Debian installer
Hi Could you please tell us which version of the installer you tried (download location and date). Am Mon, den 15.12.2003 schrieb Eric S. Johansson um 00:06: > Issues: > > If you do not have an ethernet cable plug-in during DHCP address > acquisition, retrying with a cable plugged in does not acquire an address. Do you understand you right: You tried DHCP without the cable and it failed and then retried with the cable plugged-in and it failed again? This problem existed once with some DHCP clients, but shoud have been fixed long ago. gaudenz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my experiences withthe new Debian installer
it's a significant improvement of the previous version however installation process is still very expert friendly. I highly recommend taking a look at the xandros install process. Half a dozen steps and you have a usable system. Issues: If you do not have an ethernet cable plug-in during DHCP address acquisition, retrying with a cable plugged in does not acquire an address. Disk formatting process is still quite expert friendly. The two-step process of allocating storage and choosing a file system followed by choosing a file system is disconcerting the first time one encounters it. One should just allocate storage then choose a file system is a second step or, preferably do everything in one screen namely allocate storage, choose file system type, choose mount point. On the screen configure and mount partitions, it does not show the partitions I created in the previous step. It shows the NTFS partition, selling determined partition rather than the Linux and Linux swap partitions I had created. the subsequent interface flow selecting file system and mount point is quite nice. any way of making the allocation process part of this flow? enabling shadow passwords question is expert friendly but if there's ever a streamlined path, just assume a yes. the X11 install is still as (un)friendly as ever. I have been spoiled by the likes of Xandros and Windows because they just figure out what video card is present without requiring someone to pull the top of the system, and intuit video card profile from either the remnants of silkscreening or an FCC ID number. Remember, I'm using a Frankenstein box here. My selection process for video card was minimum dust and a 15 pin connector on the back that fits a video cable. I don't believe my junk box has a video card that was manufactured before 1997. And yes, Windows 2000 and Xandros both properly identified the card but, bright person that I am, I forgot to it write down. so now I have my boot prompt, X doesn't run because I didn't even try to get the settings right. My overall impression is that the new installer is an improvement over the previous one. And for that, people are to be thanked. On the downside, there are still way too many decisions to be made. The vast majority of them are minutia that makes a difference to a very small segment of the population and drives everyone else crazy. Personally, I would be happy with a 15 (give or take) step install which asks the basic questions of network configuration(DHCP/static), partitioning disk (how many, how much for each one, format, and mount point), which packages would I like to start with, root password and go-don't bother me until you are done. for me, an install should be 15 minutes of questions and answers and then I should hear nothing from the process or need to pay any attention to it it is done. Again, I think you have made a significant improvement. I know how difficult it is to sometimes make the amount of change necessary happened on volunteer efforts. You have done good and please don't let my criticisms detract from that. I'm looking forward to trying out the next beta. ---eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
