s390 installation support in Debian 'sarge'

2004-02-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
s390 fans:

As you can see from the attached debian-installer status report, s390 is one
of a minority of Debian architectures which are currently not supported by
debian-installer.  Part of the reason for this is that access to create and
reboot Linux/390 guests (as would be needed for installation testing) is
hard to come by for most Debian developers.  Without access to a development
platform, it is unlikely that we will be able to support installation of
Debian on s390 in the Debian 'sarge' release.

I would like to ask that if any of you are in a position to provide Debian
developers with access to such a system, and are willing to do so, please
contact either the installer development mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or myself if you would prefer private mail
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to work out the details.

Feel free to forward this message to anyone else who might be in a position
to help.

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The debian-boot team is working hard to produce a decent next generation
installer for sarge, and we're making good progress. But in many areas
we don't have enough people to do all the work. We're reaching the point
where if some things are not done soon, they will simply not be
supported in time for the release of sarge.

This email lists some well-defined jobs, many of them easy for
developers who are unfamiliar with the internals of the installer to
take on, that can significantly improve debian-installer.

1. installation report processing

   With the release of betas 1 and 2 of d-i, we've gotten many
   installation reports from users. These tend to collect many problems,
   glitches, bugs, and observations into one bug report, and so they
   need to be processed, cloned off into separate bugs which are
   retitled and assigned to the right packages in debian-installer. We
   have over 150 of these that need processing.
   
   We are hoping to process at least 75 of these installation reports
   this week, with the help of the larger group of Debian developers,
   and so we have written a tutorial that should get developers quickly up
   to speed on processing installation reports. You can find it here:
   
   
http://cvs.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/debian-installer/doc/installation-reports.txt?rev=1.2content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markupcvsroot=d-i

2. The installation manual is half complete, and we need writers
   familiar with XML to work on the unfinished sections, as well as
   update and proofread what's already there. The manual has its own
   TODO list, here:

   
http://cvs.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/debian-installer/doc/manual/TODO?rev=1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markupcvsroot=d-i

3. PCMCIA

   Do you have more than two PCMCIA cards? Have you ever edited
   config.opts by hand? Then you're more qualified than anyone on the
   d-i team to get our PCMCIA support working. Currently it fails about 75%
   of the time. Stealing the parts of pcmcia-cs's postinst that figure
   out what module to use for the bridge would be a good first step.

4. low memory support

   d-i barely supports installations on systems with 32 mb of memory.
   It's unlilkely to ever support lesser systems unless someone steps up
   to work on it. We have some ideas, that should work, but no time.

5. arm, s/390, sparc

   These are our lagging architectures, and if d-i is to support
   installing them for sarge, we need at least one person working on
   each. Currently we have none.

   hppa, m68k, and mipsel are a bit further along, but also need more
   developers.

6. lintian/linda checks for udebs

   debian-installer uses udebs, which are small, non-policy compliant
   packages in deb format. Actually we have our own minimal policy[1] for
   udebs, which prohibits them having preinst scripts, conffiles,
   pre-depends, conflicts, documentation, etc. It's kind of the
   anti-policy, and we occasionally screw up and put something into a
   udeb we should not. So we hope to get support in lintian or linda to
   check udebs for these problems.

7. graphical boot screen

   We would like to drag Debian kicking and screaming into the .. er,
   late 90's by giving its installer a fancy graphical boot screen. We
   have two candidates, but would be glad to see something even better.
   Note that it's limited to 16 colors and 640x480 resolution, and see
   the syslinux documentation for details.

8. ppp support

   If you care about ppp support for the first stage install, you need to
   put some time into getting it working in d-i. Otherwise, it just won't
   happen.

9. everything else

   Here is the rest of our short list for the next release. While
   we're working on everything in here, it's likely that at least some
   of it will not happen in time, unless we get more developers.

- fix all beta2 errata (a must)
- security fixed, 2.4.24 kernel (with SATA support)
(done for stock i386 (but not SATA, probably?))
- discover 2
- partman (fixes many issues 

Re: s390 installation support in Debian 'sarge'

2004-02-04 Thread Adam Thornton
OK, I've cleared it with management.

There is only one slight wrinkle: I need to get anyone who will have
access to our H70 for doing installer development to sign an NDA.

Before you freak out, let me explain that a little further: it has
nothing whatsoever to do with the Debian work--we'd love the publicity
from having it be known that we lent you the space to do so.

We do, however, host stuff on that same VM box for other customers of
ours.  Now, I'm not planning to give anyone more than Class G privileges
from the machine perspective (unless you need them to, say, build an NSS
or something, and even then I'd rather be told what needs to happen and
do it for you).  Still, by doing perfectly legitimate things, you may
well figure out *who* some of those other customers are and, since
you're bright people, make good guesses about what they're doing. 

Not telling anyone about that sort of stuff is what we need the NDA
for.  Basically, pretend that you think you're alone on the box, when
discussing what you're doing.
 
I hope this is not an onerous requirement.

Adam



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RE: s390 installation support in Debian 'sarge'

2004-02-04 Thread Sam Warren
Not sure if you have looked into this but I think IBM actually provides a
service where they allow open source developers access to an S/390 for
development purposes.

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds/

Welcome to the Linux Community Development System (the 'Service'), a
Service provided by IBM. The Service provides you with access to a Linux on
S/390 environment for the purpose of providing the Open Source community
with a platform to develop, port and/or test drive your products or
applications on this platform. We anticipate the majority of users to
include entrepreneur developers/vendors that otherwise might not have the
opportunity to test/port their code to the S/390 platform. However, we
invite all interested parties that meet the established terms and conditions
to register and experience Linux for S/390.

Hope that may be of help!
Sam

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Subject: s390 installation support in Debian 'sarge'


s390 fans:

As you can see from the attached debian-installer status report, s390 is one
of a minority of Debian architectures which are currently not supported by
debian-installer.  Part of the reason for this is that access to create and
reboot Linux/390 guests (as would be needed for installation testing) is
hard to come by for most Debian developers.  Without access to a development
platform, it is unlikely that we will be able to support installation of
Debian on s390 in the Debian 'sarge' release.

I would like to ask that if any of you are in a position to provide Debian
developers with access to such a system, and are willing to do so, please
contact either the installer development mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or myself if you would prefer private mail
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to work out the details.

Feel free to forward this message to anyone else who might be in a position
to help.

-- 
 - mdz



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