Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-04-22 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Hello,

Holger Wansing, on sam. 22 avril 2017 21:22:44 +0200, wrote:
> +  to enable speech synthesis
>   But this does not work, there is no shortcut assigned to  in
>   that menu. Instead, pressing  +  brings me back to
>   the main menu.

This was changed for RC4, which is not published yet. Dailies (and
perhaps weeklies already) have it the now-documented way.

> 2. Also, it seems there are some lines missing at the bottom of that menu:

That was also fixed for RC4.

Samuel

Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-04-22 Thread Holger Wansing 
Hi,

Samuel Thibault  wrote:
> And it seems that just like me, people don't actually use the shortcuts,
> so I have commited stealing them for speech.  I have updated the manual
> and the wiki.

While translating the changings in accessibility chapter in the manual 
regarding speech synthesis, I have noticed the following:

1. on my BIOS system, the manual advises me to use this on the boot menu:
+  for "Advanced options"
+  to enable speech synthesis
But this does not work, there is no shortcut assigned to  in
that menu. Instead, pressing  +  brings me back to
the main menu.

2. Also, it seems there are some lines missing at the bottom of that menu:
   the last entry is "Expert speech install", the menu seems to lack
   entries for "Rescue mode with speech" and "Automated install with
   speech".
   (this was tested with a i386 netinst CD image from stretch-rc3.)



Holger



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Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen 
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:56:02AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, on mer. 22 mars 2017 03:57:37 +0100, wrote:
> > And what about affecting shift-s or ctrl-s to run tts in the rescue
> > mode?
> 
> That's not really simple to implement actually. One has to have a way to
> start rescue mode anyway.
> 
> And it seems that just like me, people don't actually use the shortcuts,
> so I have commited stealing them for speech.  I have updated the manual
> and the wiki.

Well make sure it isn't control-s since that's already taken by XOFF.

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Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-22 Thread Samuel Thibault 
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, on mer. 22 mars 2017 03:57:37 +0100, wrote:
> And what about affecting shift-s or ctrl-s to run tts in the rescue
> mode?

That's not really simple to implement actually. One has to have a way to
start rescue mode anyway.

And it seems that just like me, people don't actually use the shortcuts,
so I have commited stealing them for speech.  I have updated the manual
and the wiki.

Samuel

Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-22 Thread Nick Gawronski 



On 3/21/2017 7:40 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:

Hello,

Somehow somebody managed to raise that there is no menu entry for
starting the rescue mode with speech synthesis enabled.  That actually
also raises the question of doing the same for expert install andHi, One issue 
with that is how do we know if we are totally blind what menu we are in and 
also if an option is selected properly or not?  I know the option to start the 
installation with software speech but when there are other menus to go threw 
with no speech how fast do they come up?  Why not add shortcuts to the main 
menu for speech or can one not just type in the shortcut then add 
speakup.synth=soft to start software speech as I tried that once but got 
nowhere?  Nick Gawronski
automated install.

It's really a matter of adding the menu entry: just copy/paste the
existing expert/rescue/automated entries, and append speakup.synth=soft
to it.

Now the question is: which keyboard shortcut to use?

For now, the only documented accessible keyboard shortcut is "s" to
start a speech-enabled installation.  I guess we don't want to add yet
other entries to the main menu, so we'd put these additional entries
under the "advanced options" submenu, which already has shortcut "a".
However, the natural "e", "r" and "a" shortcuts are already taken for
the non-speech versions.

Would it really be a problem to change the meaning of those shortcuts,
to make them start the speech versions instead of the non-speech
version?  I have to say I myself never used those shortcuts, since it's
so fast to just move down a few times when one is sighted :)

Samuel

Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-22 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Nick Gawronski, on mer. 22 mars 2017 17:46:09 -0500, wrote:
> Why not add shortcuts to the main menu for speech

That's precisely what I am suggesting in this thread.

Samuel

Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-22 Thread Steve McIntyre 
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:49:32AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
>Steve McIntyre  writes:
>>
>> I've personally never used the shortcuts, but I'd be curious if
>> anybody might be for automated testing possibly? It'd be easier to do
>> that than parse the boot menus...
>
>I'm certainly up for doing automated testing -- to do proper testing
>we'd need to work out how to do recognition of the speech sounds made,
>and then I'd want to plug that recognition into the back of cucumber, so
>that we could add the tests to our jenkins jobs.
>
>If anyone has any pointers for doing any of that, particularly the
>recognition bit, that would be most helpful.
>
>FWIW I had not bothered to even notice that the shortcuts exist, let
>alone used them, so I fully support reusing the shortcuts for starting
>speech-enabled versions.

Ack, that's what I was hoping you might say. :-)

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Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-22 Thread Philip Hands 
Steve McIntyre  writes:

> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 01:40:11AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Somehow somebody managed to raise that there is no menu entry for
>>starting the rescue mode with speech synthesis enabled.  That actually
>>also raises the question of doing the same for expert install and
>>automated install.
>>
>>It's really a matter of adding the menu entry: just copy/paste the
>>existing expert/rescue/automated entries, and append speakup.synth=soft
>>to it.
>>
>>Now the question is: which keyboard shortcut to use?
>>
>>For now, the only documented accessible keyboard shortcut is "s" to
>>start a speech-enabled installation.  I guess we don't want to add yet
>>other entries to the main menu, so we'd put these additional entries
>>under the "advanced options" submenu, which already has shortcut "a".
>>However, the natural "e", "r" and "a" shortcuts are already taken for
>>the non-speech versions.
>>
>>Would it really be a problem to change the meaning of those shortcuts,
>>to make them start the speech versions instead of the non-speech
>>version?  I have to say I myself never used those shortcuts, since it's
>>so fast to just move down a few times when one is sighted :)
>
> I've personally never used the shortcuts, but I'd be curious if
> anybody might be for automated testing possibly? It'd be easier to do
> that than parse the boot menus...

I'm certainly up for doing automated testing -- to do proper testing
we'd need to work out how to do recognition of the speech sounds made,
and then I'd want to plug that recognition into the back of cucumber, so
that we could add the tests to our jenkins jobs.

If anyone has any pointers for doing any of that, particularly the
recognition bit, that would be most helpful.

FWIW I had not bothered to even notice that the shortcuts exist, let
alone used them, so I fully support reusing the shortcuts for starting
speech-enabled versions.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-21 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe 
And what about affecting shift-s or ctrl-s to run tts in the rescue
mode? Doesn't seem so hard for user, and avoids to change further. And
easy to remebrer as related to original "s" used today. But is it
possible to set multikexs bindings?


Le 22/03/2017 à 01:40, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> Somehow somebody managed to raise that there is no menu entry for
> starting the rescue mode with speech synthesis enabled.  That actually
> also raises the question of doing the same for expert install and
> automated install.
> 
> It's really a matter of adding the menu entry: just copy/paste the
> existing expert/rescue/automated entries, and append speakup.synth=soft
> to it.
> 
> Now the question is: which keyboard shortcut to use?
> 
> For now, the only documented accessible keyboard shortcut is "s" to
> start a speech-enabled installation.  I guess we don't want to add yet
> other entries to the main menu, so we'd put these additional entries
> under the "advanced options" submenu, which already has shortcut "a".
> However, the natural "e", "r" and "a" shortcuts are already taken for
> the non-speech versions.
> 
> Would it really be a problem to change the meaning of those shortcuts,
> to make them start the speech versions instead of the non-speech
> version?  I have to say I myself never used those shortcuts, since it's
> so fast to just move down a few times when one is sighted :)
> 
> Samuel
> 
> 

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Re: speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-21 Thread Steve McIntyre 
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 01:40:11AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Somehow somebody managed to raise that there is no menu entry for
>starting the rescue mode with speech synthesis enabled.  That actually
>also raises the question of doing the same for expert install and
>automated install.
>
>It's really a matter of adding the menu entry: just copy/paste the
>existing expert/rescue/automated entries, and append speakup.synth=soft
>to it.
>
>Now the question is: which keyboard shortcut to use?
>
>For now, the only documented accessible keyboard shortcut is "s" to
>start a speech-enabled installation.  I guess we don't want to add yet
>other entries to the main menu, so we'd put these additional entries
>under the "advanced options" submenu, which already has shortcut "a".
>However, the natural "e", "r" and "a" shortcuts are already taken for
>the non-speech versions.
>
>Would it really be a problem to change the meaning of those shortcuts,
>to make them start the speech versions instead of the non-speech
>version?  I have to say I myself never used those shortcuts, since it's
>so fast to just move down a few times when one is sighted :)

I've personally never used the shortcuts, but I'd be curious if
anybody might be for automated testing possibly? It'd be easier to do
that than parse the boot menus...

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speech-enabled expert/rescue/autoinstall keyboard shortcuts

2017-03-21 Thread Samuel Thibault 
Hello,

Somehow somebody managed to raise that there is no menu entry for
starting the rescue mode with speech synthesis enabled.  That actually
also raises the question of doing the same for expert install and
automated install.

It's really a matter of adding the menu entry: just copy/paste the
existing expert/rescue/automated entries, and append speakup.synth=soft
to it.

Now the question is: which keyboard shortcut to use?

For now, the only documented accessible keyboard shortcut is "s" to
start a speech-enabled installation.  I guess we don't want to add yet
other entries to the main menu, so we'd put these additional entries
under the "advanced options" submenu, which already has shortcut "a".
However, the natural "e", "r" and "a" shortcuts are already taken for
the non-speech versions.

Would it really be a problem to change the meaning of those shortcuts,
to make them start the speech versions instead of the non-speech
version?  I have to say I myself never used those shortcuts, since it's
so fast to just move down a few times when one is sighted :)

Samuel