Re: suggestion: something to add!
However, it may be likely that the DHCP/non-DHCP thing comes again into discussion. I may even predict some reviews with comments like Debian mimics Microsoft Windows and decides that DHCP is the standard...:-) Hence, I suggest we consider adding a special boot parameter for this : static would feed netcfg/get_method with Static addressing (manual). Personally I don't think another boot parameter is a good idea. Specially if it is meant for the non-expert users... I'd prefer making the DHCP/static question high priority in this case. And if there are complaints about Joe User not knowing what this question is about, I'd suggest extending the explanation in that dialog. Regards, Stefan -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: TÜV-geprüfter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Stefan Tibus wrote: Personally I don't think another boot parameter is a good idea. Specially if it is meant for the non-expert users... I'd prefer making the DHCP/static question high priority in this case. Um, how about *medium* priority? It would be nice to have three levels: basic (almost fully automated), medium (wants some not-too-gory details), and expert (wants all the gory details). -- Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add: DHCP!
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 08:59:57AM +0100, Stefan Tibus wrote: However, it may be likely that the DHCP/non-DHCP thing comes again into discussion. I may even predict some reviews with comments like Debian mimics Microsoft Windows and decides that DHCP is the standard...:-) Hence, I suggest we consider adding a special boot parameter for this : static would feed netcfg/get_method with Static addressing (manual). Personally I don't think another boot parameter is a good idea. Specially if it is meant for the non-expert users... a proposal in pseudo code check seeded debconf answer on network config if need network config then +print network configuration +print menu buttons configure manual attemp automatic +get choice +if attemp automatic +then netcfg_automatic +endif if unsuccefull netcfg_automatic then netcfg_manual endif endif This is based on the report from Sven Luther where he said waiting on DHCP reply that never come to get into manual config is very announing However when DHCP server is not present, unplesant suprises arise. I'd prefer making the DHCP/static question high priority in this case. And if there are complaints about Joe User not knowing what this question is about, I'd suggest extending the explanation in that dialog. Yes, that is a way to implement it. The main problem is that why are hiding technical stuff from our users. Turbo Charger, Dolby Surround, LASER, DVD are all technical terms. We can add DHCP. Cheers Geert Stappers -- Educate your users pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: suggestion: something to add!
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:59:57 +0100 (MET), Stefan Tibus wrote: Hence, I suggest we consider adding a special boot parameter for this : static would feed netcfg/get_method with Static addressing (manual). Personally I don't think another boot parameter is a good idea. Specially if it is meant for the non-expert users... But the extra parameter is needed only if you got DHCP but do not want to use it! I would not consider this a non-expert situation. Herbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 09:51:37PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Jeremy D. May wrote: what about adding something to the installer where it activly asks the user if they wouold perfer manual config or dhcp. in some cases the user may have dhcp but want to use manual config. just a suggestion! boot: expert Notice, ideally it would be possible to press a key in debian-installer (ESC or something such) to abort the current stuff which is going on (maybe at an appropriate step of its execution, since i hear progress bars are not easily interruptible), and drop in the main menu with an appropriately low priority. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Christian Perrier wrote: Hence, I suggest we consider adding a special boot parameter for this : static would feed netcfg/get_method with Static addressing (manual). If netcfg/get_method were turned into a boolean question (it only has 2 choices), and renamed to netcfg/use_dhcp, then it would be easy to boot: linux netcfg/use_dhcp=false -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If netcfg/get_method were turned into a boolean question (it only has 2 choices), and renamed to netcfg/use_dhcp, then it would be easy to boot: linux netcfg/use_dhcp=false You can't imagine how hard it is to type this when using an AZERTY french keyboard...:-) (and, of course, most of non US/QWERTY layouts) linux netcfg!use°dhcp=fzlse (we're lucky as linux only uses common keys for all Latin keyboards, afaik) But, your suggestion of turning the DHCP question is anyway interesting to meis this choice likely to have other possibilities in the future ? Probably not...or if it does, this will need a template rewrite anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestion: something to add!
what about adding something to the installer where it activly asks the user if they wouold perfer manual config or dhcp. in some cases the user may have dhcp but want to use manual config. just a suggestion! --jeremy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Jeremy D. May wrote: what about adding something to the installer where it activly asks the user if they wouold perfer manual config or dhcp. in some cases the user may have dhcp but want to use manual config. just a suggestion! boot: expert -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: suggestion: something to add!
ok, but what about the not so expert user that wants to do that? --jeremy Jeremy D. May wrote: what about adding something to the installer where it activly asks the user if they wouold perfer manual config or dhcp. in some cases the user may have dhcp but want to use manual config. just a suggestion! boot: expert -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Jeremy D. May wrote: ok, but what about the not so expert user that wants to do that? I've added a FAQ entry explaining our reasoning. http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Let me second Jeremy's suggestion. I keep DHCP turned on on my router because my printer needs it, but I much prefer to have everything (except the printer -- sigh!) have statically assigned IP addresses. I know I could do that with DHCP, but why bother if I don't have to? Enjoy! Rick On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 09:28 PM, Jeremy D. May wrote: what about adding something to the installer where it activly asks the user if they wouold perfer manual config or dhcp. in some cases the user may have dhcp but want to use manual config. just a suggestion! --jeremy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Here's a larger question: Why do I have to subject myself to the full-monty expert mode when I just want one tiny feature that isn't completely covered by normal mode? Shouldn't it be possible to dip down into expert territory for just the parts you need fine control over, and return to normal mode for the rest? This is not something that needs to be done right away. And it likely involves changes in lots of places. Maybe we could put it on the wish-list for 'rev 2'? Rick On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 10:25 PM, Joey Hess wrote: Jeremy D. May wrote: ok, but what about the not so expert user that wants to do that? I've added a FAQ entry explaining our reasoning. http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestion: something to add!
Quoting Rick Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Here's a larger question: Why do I have to subject myself to the full-monty expert mode when I just want one tiny feature that isn't completely covered by normal mode? Shouldn't it be possible to dip down into expert territory for just the parts you need fine control over, and return to normal mode for the rest? Currently I do not see any possibility for this without major architectures changes. However, it may be likely that the DHCP/non-DHCP thing comes again into discussion. I may even predict some reviews with comments like Debian mimics Microsoft Windows and decides that DHCP is the standard...:-) Hence, I suggest we consider adding a special boot parameter for this : static would feed netcfg/get_method with Static addressing (manual). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
