Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-30 Thread Notch-1
 Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is
 made for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want
 to edit a file to mount a drive :DD
 I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this
 behavior?
 I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D
Come on. This is starting to sound ridiculous.
STARTING?!?!
This started as an innocent question, you guys are answering me with random 
quote or random google link, you made this ridiculous!


 Live cd only, i ain't installed anything
You could have said this earlier. Debian does have some LiveCDs but not 
something very official. Read http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, wiki, 
ask 
on mailing list or their IRC. Debian Live is highly customizable and it might 
be that simply LiveCD provider missed some option or something. Anyway, this 
 is not konqueror problem and it is not really a bug but rather a user 
support 
question. It might be a wishlist bug if the feature is not implemented. So 
feel free to reopen the bug on the real package (live cd generator) it 
belongs 
to. konqueror behaviour is just fine with regard to system policies.

yes, i know, read the original bug report please (as you mentioned before, 
quoting me)
Again, I'll quote you Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 
different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25). Nothing about LiveCD at all. 
It is possible to configure user,users options in the Debian Installer.
THE KUBUNTU TEST WAS FROM THE LIVE CD!! I was talking about kunbuntu, you read 
1 line every 5 ?!?
And i don't want a not very official live debian, i just want to change the 
policy, so should you simply tell me where i can found the line that make hal 
refuse to mount my disks? Or tell me who knows!

Anyway, i started this as general, Stéphane Glondu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
reassigned this to konqueror (don't know why, it's mounting problem, with 
dolphin it's the same thing), i think hal it's even better... Live cd 
generator? I disagree (does not make much sense to me), but reassign this to 
whatever you want...





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Bug#492231: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-30 Thread Notch-1
 I reassigned this bug to konqueror, hoping that someone who knows 
 konqueror better could help you (I don't really know konqueror myself, 
 and neither do many people who read bugreports for general, I think). 
Your initial report mentioned konqueror and hal; either of those would 
have been more relevant than general.
You are right, but maybe hal it's more specific for my question...And 
anyway, now we know that nobody that know konqueror can help me...

In the beginning i was not sure if it was a hal or konqueror or whateverelse 
thing, so i choosed general... Thank to you now i know that is a debian 
thing :P
I'm kidding, i think all the concept behind debian are very good, so please 
don't make me change distro cause of this stupid problem, i spent 2 years to 
reach this point with my debian system...one of them asking for a decent 
workaround for this hal thing...
Please please help me



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Bug#492231: bug/issue closed

2008-07-30 Thread Notch-1
You already have got several good answers about your problem, and you seem 
not
value this and even try to mock us. So there is not much more to answer/help 
here.

Have you really read this report? Of what answers are you talking about? 
It was only fake random help, if you read this carefully you'll see it.
The only answers i want are: 
1) if this is a bug how to fix it
2) if it is a debian security choise (very good,but a big problem for me), 
show me where is it!! I mean the file in wich i can read this written down, 
and hopefully change it...
If you are bothered or whatever, please make me talk with a hal developer, 
thanks



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Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: general: unable to mount fixed drives

2008-07-30 Thread Notch-1
 If you are bothered or whatever, please make me talk with a hal developer,
 thanks
You are not forbidden to do anything. Just look at 
http://packages.debian.org/hal and contact the maintainer yourself. But, 
please, KDE has nothing to do with this bug, that's hal refusing your 
action.
Yes, i just asked you how to avoid this, expecting that kde people use to  
deal with this kind of things..

I sincerely tried to explain workarounds for you but you would not  
listen.
Your workaround was to use fstab? :D I told you, i simply can't :DDD

If some kubuntu livecd works for you (I bet knoppix and/or sidux would  
work the same way too, because they are LiveCDs. I would expect the LiveCD to 
behave so), that's great. But official Debian installation is not a LiveCD. 
You are bothering the wrong people.
I think you are just the wrong people, i asked kubuntu guys and finally 
figured out that they simply use kdesu as workaround! (in both live and 
installed version, but the live does not even ask for the password, because 
is a livecd...) This is what we call workaround...
Now i have to choose: apply this teqnique to my system, or change the base 
distro...I'm working on this system since 2 years...



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Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-29 Thread Notch-1
Am i really the only one with this problem?? I got this on many different 
computer, with many different disks! And only with debian!
Please help me...



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Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-29 Thread Notch-1
 Of course it is not allowed unless they are in /etc/fstab 
 with users or  appropriate user option.
Thank you for your reply, but isn't avoid this the purpose of hal? 
I'm on a pendrive system, to work on every pc, so...



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Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-29 Thread Notch-1
 Thank you for your reply, but isn't avoid this the purpose of hal?
No, hal deals only with removable drives. It refuses to mount all fixed 
drives, /etc/fstab based mounting is KDE media feature.
Can i change this behavior?
What can i do, better than open a shell and manual mount? (i can't use fstab)
And most of all: WHY? :P


 I'm on a pendrive system, to work on every pc, so...

From your original bug report:
No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks).

Ahahaha are you kidding me? Obiously sometimes i need also to mount some fixed 
harddisks :D

Anyway, with some other distribution i tried (the last one is kubuntu 
8.04.1-desktop, yesterday) i can mount fixed harddisk just like removable, 
so...?
Thanks again



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Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

2008-07-29 Thread Notch-1
 Can i change this behavior?
 What can i do, better than open a shell and manual mount? (i can't use
 fstab) And most of all: WHY? :P
Seriously, why can't you just premount __fixed disks__ on boot? If you don't 
want to do that, use noauto option in conjunction with the user (or users) 
option in /etc/fstab. Then as I said you will be able to mount the disk via 
media:/
No, can't! I simply want a system that works everywere, not a system that 
force me to edit some files to use it. If i have to tell the system wich disk 
i have, then i'm the system! My system has to work FOR me, not WITH me...
This mean live distro...

 Ahahaha are you kidding me? Obiously sometimes i need also to mount some
 fixed harddisks :D
Sure you do. But you know Linux is not some Windows and if everyone could 
premount a fixed disk by default, that would pose a security risk.
Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is made 
for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want to edit 
a file to mount a drive :DD
I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this 
behavior?
I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D

 Anyway, with some other distribution i tried (the last one is kubuntu
 8.04.1-desktop, yesterday) i can mount fixed harddisk just like removable,
 so...?
Probably because ubuntu installer adds your disk to /etc/fstab with noauto 
and 
user options. 
Live cd only, i ain't installed anything

Or ubuntu hacked their KDE and hal/permissions in the way that  
it does not look like the real KDE/Linux anymore. 
Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people...

It _might_ be possible to  
mount fixed disks via hal but I'm not really sure about that.
How else? It looks like hal...

P.S. NTFS support in HAL-mounting is known to be broken.
yes, i know, read the original bug report please (as you mentioned before, 
quoting me)





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Bug#492231: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives

2008-07-25 Thread Notch-1
Have you tried this:

  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736714

Cant's see any ntfs-tools in debian etch repository, ntftprogs it's the same 
package renamed? It contains tool for managing ntfs filesystems, but not for 
any type of configuration, so i guess not...
Thanks



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Bug#492231: (no subject)

2008-07-24 Thread Notch-1
Yes, have you tried hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options debian -ntfs ?? 
The first one is this bug report, and the others are just question without 
answers, or this bug report again! :DD
I'm with debian, and i have this problem with ntfs and fat partition, so...
I think this is a different problem, that's why i wrote here...
Any suggestion?
Thanks



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Bug#492231: general: unable to mount fixed drives

2008-07-24 Thread Notch-1
Package: general
Severity: important


Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 different kernels 
(2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25) i found out that it's impossible to mount fixed 
drives 
(with any partition type) by clicking on them in konqueror media:/, do you know 
about this problem? 
I got hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 500 when i click on a 
fixed 
hard-disk, or right-click and then mount, same thing...
No problem with konqueror as root (yes i am in plugdev group, but still...).
No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks).
No problem with manual mount, after it i'm able to use konqueror media:/, but 
still can't do unmount...
Thanks


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Bug#492231: (no subject)

2008-07-24 Thread Notch-1
 Are you in disk group? 
yes

 Can you mount the disks with pmount (as non-root)? 
yes, editing /etc/pmount.allow i can...

Thanks



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