Bug#775527: live-images: upgrade splash to Jessie theme

2015-02-17 Thread juliette Belin
Hi,

i'm very busy this month, sorry for the delay!

I assume I am correct in thinking that you had no intention for any of
 the boot screen (grub/syslinux/isolinux) images you have supplied to be
 used in this way for install/live boot menus, but it might be helpful to
 the discussion if you could please confirm this


correct, i wasn't aware of this usage.
Your image looks good, i'll add it to the archive on the lines artwork.
Thank you very much for taking the time to create it!

Regards,
Juliette

2015-02-12 21:28 GMT+01:00 jnqnfe jnq...@gmail.com:


 On 11/02/2015 14:01, juliette Belin wrote:
  I just upload a new archive with the svg isolinux file and the lock
  screen that I have forgotten to add few weeks ago.
  Could you please tell me again what is needed to complete the theme ?

 Hi Juliette,

 Per the official artwork requirements you've supplied everything that
 was asked for, however there is another image which is needed which
 isn't listed in those requirements, and which I believe the Debian
 d-i/cd teams seem to just be taking it upon themselves to create (and
 not doing a perfect job of doing so imo).

 The image in question is the bootloader splash used for the boot menu of
 the official install media, and which is also used by live CD media
 produced with live-build. I have attached a screenshot
 (wheezy-install.png) from a Wheezy install disc to be clear about what
 image I am talking about.

 Daniel contacted you in relation to provisioning an updated Lines based
 version of this image for use with the live-build tool (for which he is
 the maintainer).

 I assume I am correct in thinking that you had no intention for any of
 the boot screen (grub/syslinux/isolinux) images you have supplied to be
 used in this way for install/live boot menus, but it might be helpful to
 the discussion if you could please confirm this.

 As you can see at [1] and [2] the Debian d-i and cd teams have once
 again taken the base theme assets and generated the required splash
 image themselves for install disc use (I assume you did not create it
 and send it to them privately). I have also attached a copy of these
 including a png conversion of the d-i svg.

 I am not trying to be antagonistic over the Debian d-i/cd teams creating
 this, though I am in favour of the theme artist doing it; this entire
 discussion simply developed in relation to getting an updated image
 available for live-build.

 As a perfectionist, I am not entirely happy with the images the d-i and
 cd teams have produced, specifically with the 'GNU/Linux' text they have
 added. If you look at the png conversion of the d-i svg, the letter
 spacing gets messed up (presumably a bug in the conversion software,
 which can be gotten around by converting the text to a path). The cd
 team's png is different, better letter spacing, but it's too far to the
 right, and otherwise still doesn't look right to me.

 On the 16th of last month, having only seen the cd team png, and
 noticing that the svg used by live-build for Wheezy was different and
 better in respect to the 'GNU/Linux' text (I have only just now
 recognised that it is an exact copy of the d-i svg, previously I had
 thought Daniel had made it), for a variety of reasons I took it upon
 myself to produce a fresh svg of this. To be clear, I was not trying to
 take any credit, I was just recreating their image as an svg (not
 knowing about the d-i svg at that point) partly in order to fix their
 messy 'GNU/Linux' text, and partly because an svg copy is wanted for
 live-build.

 I have attached a copy of the image I created (jnqnfe.zip). Basically I
 just took your grub svg, resized the background to exactly 640x480 (it
 was a little large), moved and resized the logo components to the right
 place/size (dropping the '8'), and recreated the 'GNU/Linux' text, which
 I then converted to a path.

 I am not looking for any credit for the svg I produced. I am perfectly
 happy for you to adopt it into your archive and claim the copyright, and
 equally happy for you to recreate it yourself if you like.

 Unlike with Wheezy, Daniel seems to wants to use an image created
 directly by the theme author this time around, and not the svg produced
 by the d-i team, presumably so that he can properly attribute copyright
 to the theme author. Currently he has adopted your syslinux image, on
 the basis that this is the image you have supplied (and syslinux is used
 for the live CD boot menu). I feel that this is completely the wrong
 image to be useing for live Cd boot menus. I am writing a separate email
 to him at the same time as this one to argue against use of that image.
 It would perhaps be helpful if you could recreate the image I made, or
 at least adopt ownership of mine if that is acceptable, in order to help
 address the copyright issue and allow what I feel to be the correct
 image to be used in live-build.

 I will try to see If I can get the artwork requirements amended to
 include creation

Bug#775527: live-images: upgrade splash to Jessie theme

2015-02-11 Thread juliette Belin
Hi,

I just upload a new archive with the svg isolinux file and the lock screen
that I have forgotten to add few weeks ago.
Could you please tell me again what is needed to complete the theme ?
thank you

regards,
Juliette

2015-02-09 7:00 GMT+01:00 jnqnfe jnq...@gmail.com:


 On 09/02/2015 04:24, Richard Nelson wrote:
  First forgive me for not taking the time to say Thank you to
  Juliette for the very, very nice theme!
 Indeed!

  To me it seems very redundent to have multiple backgrounds for boot
  loaders. I am sure there is some technical reason, but the menuing can
  be clearly labeled such as Live, Grub, etc all use case, or even make
  your own if that is what you desire. But providing a baseline unified
  boot background for all cases to leverage would make sense. Now if
  booting live media _must_ require a different background (again not
  sure why) then have an installed boot background and a live background
  for theme submission. Furthermore it seems very logical to me to
  include them in some package, say desktop-base so other packages can
  avoid reinventing the wheel.
 Firstly, it is not simply for live media that this image design is
 wanted, it is also for the (official) install media.

 The reason for requiring a different image to the one you point to is
 not technical, it is merely cosmetic, but it is shown in a very
 prominent place, where we want things to look good.

 The grub splash image you're pointing to was so designed with the logos
 towards the bottom to to the constraint of trying to keep them clear of
 the content displayed by the otherwise default appearance of a grub2
 menu (the menu list entries and the block of instructional text
 underneath), which otherwise could cause readability issue due to poor
 contrast if they overlapped. Thus this is perfect for an otherwise
 unthemed installed copy of grub, as you end up with after installing
 Debian, which you only see for a moment in booting your computer.

 On the other hand we have the boot menus displayed when you load an
 install or live disc. This default look isn't suitable here, although
 functional, it would look overly/terribly messy as a disc boot menu
 design. Here things are themed much more heavily to make things look
 more clean and tidy. This also then allows us more freedom with
 placement of logo components in the underlying splash image, leading to
 an even greater result.