Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Package: pipewire-pulse Followup-For: Bug #1020903 X-Debbugs-Cc: compte.perso.de-al...@bbox.fr Thank you Dylan. Indeed, as you have noticed, I have made some mistakes in the maintenance of my sid. When I broke my gnome desktop (with a full-upgrade) a few months ago, I couldn't find a better solution than reinstalling the testing version. It was blocking some of the updates. phenomenon that you have highlighted very well. I corrected it and (finally!) gnome is fully functional and up to date again. I have nothing against pipewire . I have against the conflict that existed until now with pulse audio . I followed your advice, I rectified my big mistake and finally, not only, now gnome is up to date but also, as you recommend, wireplumber and pipewire-pulse are installed without worry. Thanks for your comments and support. you can close my intervention. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) merci Dylan . en effet , comme tu l'as très bien remarqué , j'ai fait quelques erreurs dans la maintenance de ma sid . quand j'ai cassé mon bureau gnome (avec un full-upgrade) il y a quelque mois , je n'ai pas trouvé de meilleure solution que de réinstaller la version testing . cela bloquait pour partie les mises à jour . phénomène que tu as très bien mis en évidence . je l'ai rectifié et (enfin !) gnome est à nouveau pleinement fonctionnel et à jour . je n'ai rien contre pipewire . j' en ai par contre contre le conflit qui existait jusqu'ici avec pulse audio . j'ai suivi tes conseils , j'ai rectifié ma grosse erreur et enfin , non seulement , maintenant gnome est à jour mais en plus , comme tu le recommandes , wireplumber et pipewire-pulse sont installés sans souci . merci pour tes remarques et ton soutien . tu peux clore mon intervention . alain@sid:~$ apt policy gnome-core wireplumber pipewire-pulse gnome-core: Installé : 1:42+8 Candidat : 1:42+8 Table de version : *** 1:42+8 500 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status wireplumber: Installé : 0.4.12-1+b1 Candidat : 0.4.12-1+b1 Table de version : *** 0.4.12-1+b1 500 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pipewire-pulse: Installé : 0.3.60-2 Candidat : (aucun) Table de version : *** 0.3.60-2 -1 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status note : et oui , c'est bien moi sur debian-facile (tu m'as bien trouvé) . pourquoi ? -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (100, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 6.0.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/24 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Versions of packages pipewire-pulse depends on: ii init-system-helpers 1.65.2 ii pipewire 0.3.60-2 Versions of packages pipewire-pulse recommends: ii pulseaudio-utils 16.1+dfsg1-2+b1 Versions of packages pipewire-pulse suggests: ii libspa-0.2-bluetooth 0.3.60-2 -- no debconf information
Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Bonjour Alain, Es tu le Alain de debian-facile, ici : https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?pid=388561#p388561 Le sam. 12 nov. 2022 à 10:03, alain a écrit : > > yes the conflict between pulse audio and pipewire-pulse is still going on. > I just updated my sid. > so pipewire-pulse has been installed. > and on reboot my sound server was broken. > i read a lot of things . > including the need to install pipewire-audio-client-libraries. > I didn't understand this. > indeed, its setting required to copy and configure conf files that do not > exist > under debian . > others ask to uninstall pulse audio. > I don't really want to do it. > I prefer, since it is the cause, to uninstall pipewire-pulse. Si oui, comme dit dans mon mail précédent, pourrais-tu installer wireplumber et arrêter d'épingler des paquets au hasard? Je veux dire par là que si gnome-core n'avais pas été épinglé alors il serait à jour et wireplumber serait installé. Tu n'aurais donc pas de problème de son. Tu dit que tu ne veux pas de pipewire et rester à pulseaudio, pourquoi ? Debian Gnome est passé de pulseaudio à pipewire, en forçant le maintien de pulseaudio, tu te retrouve dans une configuration non supporté donc ce n'est pas sûr que tu puisse trouver de l'aide pour les conflits engendrés. Pourrais-tu ouvrir ton propre rapport de bug la prochaine fois au lieu de commenter au hasard les bugs déjà ouvert, cela rend la tache plus facile pour résoudre les différents bugs sans avoir du bruit parasite. Merci Dylan
Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Package: pipewire-pulse Followup-For: Bug #1020903 X-Debbugs-Cc: compte.perso.de-al...@bbox.fr Hello to all and sorry for the inconvenience. yes the conflict between pulse audio and pipewire-pulse is still going on. I just updated my sid. so pipewire-pulse has been installed. and on reboot my sound server was broken. i read a lot of things . including the need to install pipewire-audio-client-libraries. I didn't understand this. indeed, its setting required to copy and configure conf files that do not exist under debian . others ask to uninstall pulse audio. I don't really want to do it. I prefer, since it is the cause, to uninstall pipewire-pulse. surprise : uninstalling pipewire-pulse also uninstalls pipewire-alsa . I created a pipewire-pulse.pref file, it is active but apt doesn't seem to take it into account during updates. This makes pipewire-pulse systematically installed and break my sound server if I don't remove it by hand. amd64 and i386 . looking forward to reading you , friendly, alain . Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (100, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 6.0.0-3-amd64 (SMP w/24 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled
Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Some news regarding an eventual conflict between pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse. >From time to time upstream discussions arise concerning closed-source software (mainly old games) which check if the /usr/bin/pulseaudio binary is available otherwise they fail to output sound [1]. The solution is to create a symlink /usr/bin/pulseaudio to /usr/bin/true. We might want to do the same and thus add back the conflict between pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse. Best, Dylan [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1514
Bug#1013276: Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Hi, Le mer. 28 sept. 2022 à 12:03, Daniel Vacek a écrit : > > I was wondering, could both services (pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse) still be > co-installed at the same time? Yes, both can be installed at the same time. In some (rare?) cases [1], conflicts can appear, this is why a conflict between both packages have been added. But, having both packages in conflict seems to create more issues. In case of conflicts, users can just remove pulseaudio, so I am thinking about reverting the conflict and instead just recommending users to remove pulseaudio. Dylan [1] https://bugs.debian.org/1013276
Bug#1020903: pipewire-pulse: Is the conflict with pulseaudio necessary?
Package: pipewire-pulse Version: 0.3.58-1, 0.3.58-2 Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: neel...@gmail.com Hello, I was wondering, could both services (pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse) still be co-installed at the same time? That way it would be easy to stop one and start the other in case of any issues. Or it would be possible to have one system user (with pro-audio preference) using pipewire-pulse by default and other users sticking to pulseaudio due to additional features. If the idea is about full migration to the new service, perhaps that should be achieved using additional package? Any thoughts here? Have a nice day, Daniel -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental-debug'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.17.0-trunk-rt-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_WARN Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Versions of packages pipewire-pulse depends on: ii init-system-helpers 1.65.2 ii pipewire 0.3.57-1 pipewire-pulse recommends no packages. Versions of packages pipewire-pulse suggests: ii libspa-0.2-bluetooth 0.3.57-1 ii pulseaudio-utils 16.1+dfsg1-2 -- no debconf information
