Bug#1035831: tech-ctte: Reinstate merged-/usr file movement moratorium
> === BEGIN > > OPTION A: > > Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the > maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files > from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the > data.tar.* of packages. So, /foo/bar should not move to /usr/foo/bar. > > Files that are in /usr in the Debian 12 release should remain in /usr, > while files that are in /bin, /lib* or /sbin in the Debian 12 release > should remain in those directories. If any files are moved from /bin, > /lib* or /sbin into /usr after the Debian 12 release, they should be > moved back to their Debian 12 locations. > > This moratorium lasts until we vote to repeal it. We expect to do that > during the trixie development cycle, and sooner rather than later. > We will continue to facilitate efforts to resolve the remaining issues > that stand in the way of safely repealing the moratorium. > > OPTION B: > > As option A, except that only maintainers of essential and transitively > essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the > root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* > of packages. > > OPTION N: > > None of the above. > > === END I vote A > B > N. Thanks, Christoph signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1035831: tech-ctte: Reinstate merged-/usr file movement moratorium
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 09 May 2023 21:26:10 +0100, Hi, Sean Whitton wrote: > === BEGIN > > OPTION A: > > Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the > maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files > from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the > data.tar.* of packages. So, /foo/bar should not move to /usr/foo/bar. > > Files that are in /usr in the Debian 12 release should remain in /usr, > while files that are in /bin, /lib* or /sbin in the Debian 12 release > should remain in those directories. If any files are moved from /bin, > /lib* or /sbin into /usr after the Debian 12 release, they should be > moved back to their Debian 12 locations. > > This moratorium lasts until we vote to repeal it. We expect to do that > during the trixie development cycle, and sooner rather than later. > We will continue to facilitate efforts to resolve the remaining issues > that stand in the way of safely repealing the moratorium. > > OPTION B: > > As option A, except that only maintainers of essential and transitively > essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the > root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* > of packages. > > OPTION N: > > None of the above. > > === END I vote A > B > N. Regards, Matthew - -- "At least you know where you are with Microsoft." "True. I just wish I'd brought a paddle." http://www.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEuk75yE35bTfYoeLUEvTSHI9qY8gFAmRjwrQACgkQEvTSHI9q Y8jZ2g//dP+kxRXBLe/GjgE54NsePfPFmXD4gFaOsr535M3IePVRqA7JNHs9g0Fj kCZLH0lZnM04pTp/EPqUas/9HY4wq6sVTo+SDjWe+seJu6ichdIqLmuKoKUF1jqp ps+ZBi0ppeQBrfirYU1i9xrKXQPMMfcQ+IRgyllvPSwuqB9lpFPDeIYsZGEJjaER KzZ4lm+/56F4SrnannYon5la8IO+nUQFvM3vWuaQJFENnTB8RaMjBm+29kvUnJEl 7JHVdKZppqwgiYtzaOkLfEdAv2zcfpk/fL6Zd/pe6p+nSPXWXzyhUVJvCcuRq6B+ uiGj8F7G0K35jSm/1wozSwE9iyeNfOi9QJS4XnRYT8t6VxUn8KfZUbMBtalh4fIN 3dt10eKkJEPBSNuMzky7uDQszbo6JaQIWRs0Jb7pYftpimcCf0OZ/3ICC/gTHm/I 63CFwXaIm/cSXEw/ol9GBJ1ZIh5zcRH95tK0bLDZtIs6KRMF0aqzUvwaYSBcxCuM sirbd+PaQ87I19nPyyFuwi6yhUDwWsnXCENc/GGsU9LQp/UDaG5Er8YVcfWkpMh2 lM+ih6qP9hLjeYBAywYJlzRWYVieiLvfaOQCrkOlfOSZKQD8tGqGTbBj6+9LTa9e YxJJrSiHXK3g8JY/GLvnIJLlvcEdsE1Ivkae8WaeHBuvc8JUs7w= =Dysi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#1035831: tech-ctte: Reinstate merged-/usr file movement moratorium
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:26:10PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > I call for votes on the following resolution. > Voting lasts for one week or until the outcome is no longer in doubt. > Let me take this opportunity to thank Helmut for all his recent work on > this topic. > > === BEGIN > > OPTION A: > > Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the > maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files > from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the > data.tar.* of packages. So, /foo/bar should not move to /usr/foo/bar. > > Files that are in /usr in the Debian 12 release should remain in /usr, > while files that are in /bin, /lib* or /sbin in the Debian 12 release > should remain in those directories. If any files are moved from /bin, > /lib* or /sbin into /usr after the Debian 12 release, they should be > moved back to their Debian 12 locations. > > This moratorium lasts until we vote to repeal it. We expect to do that > during the trixie development cycle, and sooner rather than later. > We will continue to facilitate efforts to resolve the remaining issues > that stand in the way of safely repealing the moratorium. > > OPTION B: > > As option A, except that only maintainers of essential and transitively > essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the > root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* > of packages. > > OPTION N: > > None of the above. > > === END I vote A > B > N. Rationale I was initially very unhappy about extending the moratorium, because it poses a significant mental cost to the entire project. I subsequently proposed to limit it to essential packages to reduce the impact. However, that would increase the complexity of the rule to follow and the essential set isn't static either. If we were to move files in bookworm already (which has not been proposed), we could easily break systemd as systemd-resolved and systemd-boot both replace systemd and that would become exactly a situation as the one to be prevented by the moratorium. In the bullseye -> bookworm upgrade, we have about 13 situations that would have been broken (in a /usr-merged bullseye upgraded to bookworm) in the absence of the moratorium. I think it is reasonable to expect that we'd encounter a similar amount in trixie. Helmut signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1035831: tech-ctte: Reinstate merged-/usr file movement moratorium
Hello, On Tue 09 May 2023 at 01:26PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote: > === BEGIN > > OPTION A: > > Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the > maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files > from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the > data.tar.* of packages. So, /foo/bar should not move to /usr/foo/bar. > > Files that are in /usr in the Debian 12 release should remain in /usr, > while files that are in /bin, /lib* or /sbin in the Debian 12 release > should remain in those directories. If any files are moved from /bin, > /lib* or /sbin into /usr after the Debian 12 release, they should be > moved back to their Debian 12 locations. > > This moratorium lasts until we vote to repeal it. We expect to do that > during the trixie development cycle, and sooner rather than later. > We will continue to facilitate efforts to resolve the remaining issues > that stand in the way of safely repealing the moratorium. > > OPTION B: > > As option A, except that only maintainers of essential and transitively > essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the > root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* > of packages. > > OPTION N: > > None of the above. > > === END I vote A > B > N -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1035831: tech-ctte: Reinstate merged-/usr file movement moratorium
Package: tech-ctte I call for votes on the following resolution. Voting lasts for one week or until the outcome is no longer in doubt. Let me take this opportunity to thank Helmut for all his recent work on this topic. === BEGIN OPTION A: Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* of packages. So, /foo/bar should not move to /usr/foo/bar. Files that are in /usr in the Debian 12 release should remain in /usr, while files that are in /bin, /lib* or /sbin in the Debian 12 release should remain in those directories. If any files are moved from /bin, /lib* or /sbin into /usr after the Debian 12 release, they should be moved back to their Debian 12 locations. This moratorium lasts until we vote to repeal it. We expect to do that during the trixie development cycle, and sooner rather than later. We will continue to facilitate efforts to resolve the remaining issues that stand in the way of safely repealing the moratorium. OPTION B: As option A, except that only maintainers of essential and transitively essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.* of packages. OPTION N: None of the above. === END -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
