Bug#284229: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#284229: Bug#284229: Bug#284229: Bug#284229: Bug#284229: XFCE4: Fonts are smaller if X was started by 'startx'
Because there are two DPI values. One reported by xdpyinfo | grep dots, and one reported by xrdb -query | grep Xft.dpi. Gnome allows to set Xft.dpi, and even sets it by default if the DPI value reported by xdpyinfo is too small - which is a bug in gnome. If the user means 50 DPI, gnome should obey slavishly and allow her to shoot herself in the foot. so, this bug should be reassigned to gnome? I don't know. I guess it's a different issue. DPI settings aren't that easy to understand for users and it shouldn't be fixed by him anyway. I'm for closing this bug anyway, what do you think? Regards, -- Yves-Alexis Perez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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note that when launched via gdm, the gnome font size is always the same, regardless of the dpi setting in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. Look in gdmsetup, you can configure this. i looked in gdmsetup and couldn't find a setting for this. where should i be looking? Security Tab / Configure X server / Command the point i was making there is that gnome ignores the dpi setting set there, and always uses 100 dpi. maybe xfce should do the same? maybe '-dpi 100' should be automatically set in gdm.conf? this would be a question for the gdm maintainer. I don't think so, what about people with a display which have more (or less) DPI? Fixing DPI isn't a good idea. I don't think there's bug lying in Xfce, so maybe we can close this bug? i still think this is a bug. why does gnome behave differently than xfce? for example, if dpi is set to 50 in gdm, xfce will have a really small font, but gnome will still have a normal-sized font (and it will still say it used a 50x50 dpi resolution in /var/log/Xorg.0.log). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On lun, 2007-09-17 at 20:26 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: Security Tab / Configure X server / Command the point i was making there is that gnome ignores the dpi setting set there, and always uses 100 dpi. maybe xfce should do the same? Well, maybe there's another place where gnome sets the DPI. I don't know, I don't use it. I don't think there's bug lying in Xfce, so maybe we can close this bug? i still think this is a bug. why does gnome behave differently than xfce? Maybe you should ask a gnome maintainer. for example, if dpi is set to 50 in gdm, xfce will have a really small font, but gnome will still have a normal-sized font (and it will still say it used a 50x50 dpi resolution in /var/log/Xorg.0.log). If you change dpi settings it *must* change the font size. If it doesn't, you found a bug. In gnome and Xfce, can you do: xdpyinfo | grep Resolution and paste the output? You can also set dpi with xrandr (only for next started applications). Regards, -- Yves-Alexis Perez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On sam, 2007-09-15 at 18:19 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: so, the question is, should the fonts be so large with the large dpi? yes. as a user, i expect the font to always be the same, regardless of the number of dots per inch computed. well, a 8 points font won't look the same if you change the number of points displayed per inches. note that when launched via gdm, the gnome font size is always the same, regardless of the dpi setting in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. Look in gdmsetup, you can configure this. -- Yves-Alexis Perez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/16/07, Michael Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as a user, i expect the font to always be the same, regardless of the number of dots per inch computed. well, a 8 points font won't look the same if you change the number of points displayed per inches. i'd expect the font to be the same size regardless of dpi, but it would look really bad at the low dpi setting, rather than being shrunk. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Font sizes are specified in points. Note that points are not the same as pixels. Then to figure out how big the font should be in pixels, the X server's dpi setting is used. This is so a font of a given point size will be the same size on all monitors, as long as you have specified the right dpi for it. If you specify a too big dpi setting, your fonts will be too big and if it is too small, the fonts will be too small. I think I understand what you're thinking, though. You're thinking dpi in terms of printers, where the dpi you print with specifies the quality of the print. However, your monitor does at a given resolution only have one dpi, which can be calculated from the size of the monitor and the resolution. If the 'real' dpi of your monitor is 100 dpi, and you set it to 200 dpi, this would result in kinda the same result as you would get if you send picture data at 200 dpi to your printer _when it expects 100 dpi data_. That is, stuff will be printed as twice as big as was intended. Regards, Alexander Toresson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On dim, 2007-09-16 at 17:25 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: as a user, i expect the font to always be the same, regardless of the number of dots per inch computed. well, a 8 points font won't look the same if you change the number of points displayed per inches. i'd expect the font to be the same size regardless of dpi, but it would look really bad at the low dpi setting, rather than being shrunk. You set the font size using *point*. note that when launched via gdm, the gnome font size is always the same, regardless of the dpi setting in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. Look in gdmsetup, you can configure this. i looked in gdmsetup and couldn't find a setting for this. where should i be looking? Security Tab / Configure X server / Command i found that the reason that the xfce font is always the same size using startx is because the dpi is always set to 100x100. i'm not sure which startx script or config file does this. Look in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc maybe '-dpi 100' should be automatically set in gdm.conf? this would be a question for the gdm maintainer. I don't think so, what about people with a display which have more (or less) DPI? Fixing DPI isn't a good idea. I don't think there's bug lying in Xfce, so maybe we can close this bug? Regards, -- Yves-Alexis Perez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ok, if i go with 'command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0 -dpi 125' in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, the fonts are very large in both gdm and xfce. if i go with 'command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0 -dpi 100', the fonts look the right size in both gdm and xfce (and this is the about the font size that you get with xfce when using startx instead of gdm) if i go with 'command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0 -dpi 75', the fonts are very small in both gdm and xfce. if i go with 'command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0 -dpi 25', the fonts in both gdm and xfce are so small that they are unreadable. so, the question is, should the fonts be so large with the large dpi? as a user, i expect the font to always be the same, regardless of the number of dots per inch computed. note that when launched via gdm, the gnome font size is always the same, regardless of the dpi setting in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On dim, 2007-09-09 at 16:33 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: Which resolution are you using, and wich size (in inches) is your screen? 1600x1200 on a 15 display. That means a display with 12 x 9 1600/12 = 133 1200/12 = 133 So the calculated DPI is correct (if you do and xdpyinfo | grep dimension or search for display size in /var/log/Xorg.0.log you'll find the correct size, I guess the diagonal is more like 15.1 or 15.4. So the DPI is ok, you don't need to force 96, on contrary you should go with the 125 dpi settings found by nvidia. Regards, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On dim, 2007-09-09 at 13:50 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: maybe this is a problem with NVIDIA's DPI autodetection? Maybe, I don't know. Which resolution are you using, and wich size (in inches) is your screen? -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Which resolution are you using, and wich size (in inches) is your screen? 1600x1200 on a 15 display. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
