Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
Note: I'm 3 months late! On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:11:47 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, do you have SVN access to the repo, and want help comaintaining it, at least for such stuff ? If you were addressing me (Costa) and not K. Guillaume, then no, I haven't any SVN access -- also I'm new to 'subversion'. But if offering such access would make maintaining stuff easier for you, I'm certainly willing to give it a try. HTH... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
Note: for some reason most of the following lay neglected in my Draft folder for a few months. On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:10:42 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, reiserfs is a nice FS to have around when you want some data to disappear without a trace :) Eek, hope you're not speaking from experience. Still, I admire the thought behind Reiser4, it has some interesting ideas. The problem is that libparted use the non-official libreiser thingy, and need to be switched to the official one, nobody volunteered to do the work though, maybe you do ? It'd be difficult, sorry -- I'm not a maintainer, and don't know enough yet about the unofficial libreiser package to know what needs doing. Well, apart from the above, libreiserfs has been orphaned since ages. Obviously no maintainer wants to support an utterly dead thing, but it's unclear that the reiserfs family of stuff is no more. For example: % zcat /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/changelog.Debian.gz | head -n 5 reiser4progs (1.0.5-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream release. -- Domenico Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:00:20 +0200 ...and the info page mentions 'reiserfs' dozens of times. And a lot of Debian users, (and Debian variants or offshoots), use reiser, -- for example 'reiserfs' is one of the default file systems on this 'Mepis' LiveCD** I have, etc. etc. Sure, they store everything on the liveCD; and nothing vital on the filesystem :) Reiserfs used to be popular back then, when there where scarce alternatives, but i doubt there is a single distro making it default now that we have ext3. I was handed a new 'Mepis' CD by its author at LinuxWorld in Boston this year; it's #5 at Distrowatch today, has an active user base and is well maintained for a liveCD. True, everything on a liveCD is (at first) stored on the CD, but 'Mepis' also includes a user-friendly interface to install itself to hard disk and offers reiserfs as one of its file systems. I've run that installer with reiserfs more than once, it works OK as a painless Debian installer. An inductive and therefore not so reliable argument about reliability: 'Mepis' is a popular liveCD, so its busy user forums should have several horror stories about reiserfs, if that was causing much data loss. On the other hand, if users aren't complaining, then either it's usually not that bad, or nobody ever installs reiserfs. Or after reiserfs new users quit Linux completely, (gulp). Suggested compromise: how about I add a paragraph to the man page cautioning Debian users about reiserfs' current not officially supported status? Yep, that would be nice. Alternatively you (or someone else) could fix the reiserfs situation in libparted ? See attached for man page addition, which also includes my prior patches. In plain text the paragraph added reads: CAVEATS Due to licensing disagreements, support for reiserfs in Debian is unofficial. To get Debian's parted to work with reiserfs requires installing some version of the libreiserfs package, e.g. libreiserfs0.3-0. I wrote 'disagreements' instead of 'conflicts' because it's not clear whether there's an actual conflict or some folks don't mix well. See here for a 2003 wrangle between Hans Reiser and some Debian devels for an example of will over substance: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/testing/2003/04/msg00051.html I don't understand what's going on from that; if some reader here has a more relevant URL that gently explains the conflict, please post it. Summing up: Late as can be. Some dislike H. Reiser, others 'reiserfs'; this dislike may lead to accidental exaggerations that have nothing to do with whatever the software's true flaws once were, are, or might be. E.g. 'reiser' hasn't been abandoned, (as of August anyway), and Mepis (not by Reiser) is quite active. None of which has too much to do with a bug about hfs, alas... --- - 2005-09-16 11:44:27.057271000 -0400 +++ /tmp/parted8.gz.11799 2005-09-16 11:44:27.0 -0400 @@ -28,8 +28,9 @@ .PP .B parted is a disk partitioning and partition resizing program. It allows you to -create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT and FAT32 -partitions. This is useful for creating space for new operating systems, +create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT, FAT32, and reiserfs +partitions. It can create, resize and move Macintosh HFS partitions, as well as detect jfs, +ntfs, ufs, and xfs partitions. It is useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganising disk usage, and copying data to new hard disks. .SH OPTIONS .TP @@ -67,7 +68,7 @@ .TP .B mkfs \fIpartition\fP \fIfs-type\fP make a filesystem \fIfs-type\fP on \fIpartition\fP. \fIfs-type\fP can be one -of FAT, ext2 or linux-swap. +of fat16, fat32, ext2,
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 04:49:15PM -0500, A. Costa wrote: Note: for some reason most of the following lay neglected in my Draft folder for a few months. On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:10:42 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, reiserfs is a nice FS to have around when you want some data to disappear without a trace :) Eek, hope you're not speaking from experience. Still, I admire the thought behind Reiser4, it has some interesting ideas. Nope, worse, from doing user support to some guys it happened too :) The problem is that libparted use the non-official libreiser thingy, and need to be switched to the official one, nobody volunteered to do the work though, maybe you do ? It'd be difficult, sorry -- I'm not a maintainer, and don't know enough yet about the unofficial libreiser package to know what needs doing. I guess most people are in the same case, a bit lost about this whole reiser mess. A read of the parted mailing list archive (we do have an archive, right ?) Well, apart from the above, libreiserfs has been orphaned since ages. Obviously no maintainer wants to support an utterly dead thing, but it's unclear that the reiserfs family of stuff is no more. For example: % zcat /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/changelog.Debian.gz | head -n 5 reiser4progs (1.0.5-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream release. -- Domenico Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:00:20 +0200 Ah, nice, my knowledge may be obsolet then. ...and the info page mentions 'reiserfs' dozens of times. And a lot of Debian users, (and Debian variants or offshoots), use reiser, -- for example 'reiserfs' is one of the default file systems on this 'Mepis' LiveCD** I have, etc. etc. Sure, they store everything on the liveCD; and nothing vital on the filesystem :) Reiserfs used to be popular back then, when there where scarce alternatives, but i doubt there is a single distro making it default now that we have ext3. An inductive and therefore not so reliable argument about reliability: 'Mepis' is a popular liveCD, so its busy user forums should have several horror stories about reiserfs, if that Well, as said, my main experience is on powerpc, and mirrored by many of the important powerpc porters, and i don't think Mepis is ported to powerpc, so ... Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 04:50:01PM -0500, A. Costa wrote: Note: I'm 3 months late! On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:11:47 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, do you have SVN access to the repo, and want help comaintaining it, at least for such stuff ? If you were addressing me (Costa) and not K. Guillaume, then no, I Yes, i know K.G. has access. haven't any SVN access -- also I'm new to 'subversion'. But If you know CVSm subversion is trivial, even if you don't know CVS :) if offering such access would make maintaining stuff easier for you, I'm certainly willing to give it a try. You need to create an alioth account (alioth.debian.org), and tell us about it, and we will add you. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 10:48:59PM -0400, A. Costa wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:32:03 +0200 K.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Right or wrong, I copied the 'info' usage. -hfs | * | | | | +hfs | * | * | * | | Parted doesn't support hfs (or hfs+ / hfsx) creation (or somebody wrote it behind my back ;) ) Thanks for the fix. Then the info page is wrong. (Maybe whoever wrote it got 'create partition' mixed up with 'create filesystem'.) Since it's a different package, it must be a different bug. Maybe this bug should be cloned to 'parted-doc' and then merged with this one. BTW, do you have SVN access to the repo, and want help comaintaining it, at least for such stuff ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 10:33:25PM -0400, A. Costa wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:25:03 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice that in the current state of things, the debian package doesn't support reiserfs anymore, ... That's a valid point; well, I had known about and even thought of that, since I'm kind of a fan of Reiser on his technical merits even though he's currently in what seems like a needless feud with some Debian luminaries. Well, reiserfs is a nice FS to have around when you want some data to dissapear without a trace :) The problem is that libparted use the non-official libreiser thingy, and need to be switched to the official one, nobody volunteered to do the work though, maybe you do ? However, unofficial Debian reiser packages seem to exist, as the 'parted' package description says: Note that ReiserFS support is only enabled if you install the libreiserfs0.3-0 package. Since libreiserfs0.3-0 has been removed from sarge, ReiserFS support is not compiled in the default package. Well, apart from the above, libreiserfs has been orphaned since ages. ...and the info page mentions 'reiserfs' dozens of times. And a lot of Debian users, (and Debian variants or offshoots), use reiser, -- for example 'reiserfs' is one of the default file systems on this 'Mepis' LiveCD** I have, etc. etc. Sure, they store everythign on the liveCD; and nothing vital on the filesystem :) Reiserfs used to be popular back then, when there where scarce alternatives, but i doubt there is a single distro making it default now that we have ext3. (**yes, before anyone mentions it, Mepis is somewhat proprietary, and may not be the best example of this sort of thing. It's just I haven't tried every Debian based LiveCD out there, and that's the first one that came to mind.) To leave out mention of reiser on principle would logically require editing the 'info' page too I reckon, which I doubt anyone wants to do. So for all those reasons it made sense (in my view) to include it in the man page also. Suggested compromise: how about I add a paragraph to the man page cautioning Debian users about reiserfs' current not officially supported status? Yep, that would be nice. Alternatively you (or someone else) could fix the reiserfs situation in libparted ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:08:40 -0300 Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can prepare a new patch against the current release would awesome :-) See attached .diff files for '/usr/share/man/man8/parted.8.gz' and '/usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian'. Kindly check 'em for accuracy please, as I'm not a Mac or HFS expert and may have missed some significant detail. Examples: I cribbed my data from the 'info' manual -- which doesn't mention 'hfs +' that often. (It has a lot about 'hfs' without the ''+'.) The changelog includes 'HFS+', but I didn't know which was correct, so I left 'hfs +' out. The man page says 'parted mkfs FAT' is OK, but the info page says it should be 'parted mkfs fat16' (or fat32). I changed it to agree with the info page. Also, should 'hfs' be capitilized? The changelog has 'HFS', but the info page has both 'hfs' and 'HFS'. Right or wrong, I copied the 'info' usage. HTH... --- /usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian 2005-09-03 12:22:47.0 -0400 +++ /tmp/README.Debian 2005-09-08 01:26:10.0 -0400 @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ ext3| * | | *[1] | *[2] | *[3] fat16 | * | * | *[4] | *[4] | * fat32 | * | * | * | * | * -hfs | * | | | | +hfs | * | * | * | | jfs | * | | | | linux-swap | * | * | * | * | * ntfs| * | | | | @@ -40,3 +40,5 @@ reiserfs create/resize/copy/check support is not built in in the debian package. -- Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:14:20 +0200 + + -- Minor revision Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:23:16 -- updated table row for 'hfs'. \ No newline at end of file --- - 2005-09-08 02:30:02.302502000 -0400 +++ /tmp/parted8.gz.12875 2005-09-08 02:30:02.0 -0400 @@ -28,8 +28,9 @@ .PP .B parted is a disk partitioning and partition resizing program. It allows you to -create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT and FAT32 -partitions. This is useful for creating space for new operating systems, +create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT, FAT32, and reiserfs +partitions. It can create, resize and move Macintosh HFS partitions, as well as detect jfs, +ntfs, ufs, and xfs partitions. It is useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganising disk usage, and copying data to new hard disks. .SH OPTIONS .TP @@ -67,7 +68,7 @@ .TP .B mkfs \fIpartition\fP \fIfs-type\fP make a filesystem \fIfs-type\fP on \fIpartition\fP. \fIfs-type\fP can be one -of FAT, ext2 or linux-swap. +of fat16, fat32, ext2, linux-swap or reiserfs. .TP .B mklabel \fIlabel-type\fP Creates a new disklabel (partition table) of \fIlabel-type\fP. @@ -77,6 +78,8 @@ .B mkpart \fIpart-type\fP \fI[fs-type]\fP \fIstart\fP \fIend\fP make a \fIpart-type\fP partition with filesystem \fIfs-type\fP (if specified), beginning at \fIstart\fP and ending at \fIend\fP (in megabytes). +\fIfs-type\fP can be one of +fat16, fat32, ext2, HFS, linux-swap, NTFS, reiserfs or ufs. \fIpart-type\fP should be one of primary, logical or extended .TP .B mkpartfs \fIpart-type\fP \fIfs-type\fP \fIstart\fP \fIend\fP @@ -120,9 +123,11 @@ .SH SEE ALSO .BR fdisk (8), .BR mkfs (8), -The \fIparted\fP program is documented fully in the +The \fIparted\fP program is fully documented in the +.BR info(1) +format .IR GNU partitioning software -manual available via the Info system. +manual. .SH AUTHOR This manual page was written by Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED], for the Debian GNU/Linux system (but may be used by others).
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 02:36:23AM -0400, A. Costa wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:08:40 -0300 --- - 2005-09-08 02:30:02.302502000 -0400 +++ /tmp/parted8.gz.12875 2005-09-08 02:30:02.0 -0400 @@ -28,8 +28,9 @@ .PP .B parted is a disk partitioning and partition resizing program. It allows you to -create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT and FAT32 -partitions. This is useful for creating space for new operating systems, +create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, ext3, linux-swap, FAT, FAT32, and reiserfs +partitions. It can create, resize and move Macintosh HFS partitions, as well as detect jfs, +ntfs, ufs, and xfs partitions. It is useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganising disk usage, and copying data to new hard disks. .SH OPTIONS .TP @@ -67,7 +68,7 @@ .TP .B mkfs \fIpartition\fP \fIfs-type\fP make a filesystem \fIfs-type\fP on \fIpartition\fP. \fIfs-type\fP can be one -of FAT, ext2 or linux-swap. +of fat16, fat32, ext2, linux-swap or reiserfs. .TP .B mklabel \fIlabel-type\fP Creates a new disklabel (partition table) of \fIlabel-type\fP. @@ -77,6 +78,8 @@ .B mkpart \fIpart-type\fP \fI[fs-type]\fP \fIstart\fP \fIend\fP make a \fIpart-type\fP partition with filesystem \fIfs-type\fP (if specified), beginning at \fIstart\fP and ending at \fIend\fP (in megabytes). +\fIfs-type\fP can be one of +fat16, fat32, ext2, HFS, linux-swap, NTFS, reiserfs or ufs. Notice that in the current state of things, the debian package doesn't support reiserfs anymore, ... Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 02:36:23 -0400 A. Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:08:40 -0300 Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can prepare a new patch against the current release would awesome :-) See attached .diff files for '/usr/share/man/man8/parted.8.gz' and '/usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian'. Kindly check 'em for accuracy please, as I'm not a Mac or HFS expert and may have missed some significant detail. Examples: I cribbed my data from the 'info' manual -- which doesn't mention 'hfs +' that often. (It has a lot about 'hfs' without the ''+'.) The changelog includes 'HFS+', but I didn't know which was correct, so I left 'hfs +' out. The man page says 'parted mkfs FAT' is OK, but the info page says it should be 'parted mkfs fat16' (or fat32). I changed it to agree with the info page. Also, should 'hfs' be capitilized? The changelog has 'HFS', but the info page has both 'hfs' and 'HFS'. Right or wrong, I copied the 'info' usage. HTH... ext3| * | | *[1] | *[2] | *[3] fat16 | * | * | *[4] | *[4] | * fat32 | * | * | * | * | * -hfs | * | | | | +hfs | * | * | * | | jfs | * | | | | linux-swap | * | * | * | * | * ntfs| * | | | | Parted doesn't support hfs (or hfs+ / hfsx) creation (or somebody wrote it behind my back ;) ) Cheers, Guillaume Knispel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:25:03 +0200 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice that in the current state of things, the debian package doesn't support reiserfs anymore, ... That's a valid point; well, I had known about and even thought of that, since I'm kind of a fan of Reiser on his technical merits even though he's currently in what seems like a needless feud with some Debian luminaries. However, unofficial Debian reiser packages seem to exist, as the 'parted' package description says: Note that ReiserFS support is only enabled if you install the libreiserfs0.3-0 package. Since libreiserfs0.3-0 has been removed from sarge, ReiserFS support is not compiled in the default package. ...and the info page mentions 'reiserfs' dozens of times. And a lot of Debian users, (and Debian variants or offshoots), use reiser, -- for example 'reiserfs' is one of the default file systems on this 'Mepis' LiveCD** I have, etc. etc. (**yes, before anyone mentions it, Mepis is somewhat proprietary, and may not be the best example of this sort of thing. It's just I haven't tried every Debian based LiveCD out there, and that's the first one that came to mind.) To leave out mention of reiser on principle would logically require editing the 'info' page too I reckon, which I doubt anyone wants to do. So for all those reasons it made sense (in my view) to include it in the man page also. Suggested compromise: how about I add a paragraph to the man page cautioning Debian users about reiserfs' current not officially supported status? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:32:03 +0200 K.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Right or wrong, I copied the 'info' usage. -hfs | * | | | | +hfs | * | * | * | | Parted doesn't support hfs (or hfs+ / hfsx) creation (or somebody wrote it behind my back ;) ) Thanks for the fix. Then the info page is wrong. (Maybe whoever wrote it got 'create partition' mixed up with 'create filesystem'.) Since it's a different package, it must be a different bug. Maybe this bug should be cloned to 'parted-doc' and then merged with this one. Attached is a corrected patch for '/usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian'. --- /usr/share/doc/parted/README.Debian 2005-09-03 12:22:47.0 -0400 +++ /tmp/README.Debian 2005-09-08 01:26:10.0 -0400 @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ ext3| * | | *[1] | *[2] | *[3] fat16 | * | * | *[4] | *[4] | * fat32 | * | * | * | * | * -hfs | * | | | | +hfs | * | | * | | jfs | * | | | | linux-swap | * | * | * | * | * ntfs| * | | | | @@ -40,3 +40,5 @@ reiserfs create/resize/copy/check support is not built in in the debian package. -- Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:14:20 +0200 + + -- Minor revision Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:23:16 -- updated table row for 'hfs'. \ No newline at end of file
Bug#298020: [Parted-maintainers] Bug#298020: Suggested reopen: 298020: parted: hfs(+) support is still poorly documented
A. Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or maybe you meant that there were never any patches for the README or manpage, (in which case the changelog was wrong), and you need new patches. If so, I can try to make some new patches -- but it would be better to use older patches if they exist. Was my fault since I tried to merge the patch on the source and almost all things was already fixed on upstream. Probably I skiped the part that wasn't. If you can prepare a new patch against the current release would awesome :-) -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://www.freedom.ind.br/otavio - Microsoft gives you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
