Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-11-28 Thread Björn Torkelsson
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 11:45 +1100, Brian May wrote:
  Björn == Björn Torkelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Björn I did rebuild it for Ubuntu dapper and have been running it for 
 some
 Björn time now. Seems to be working without any problems. 
 
 Great news!

Yeah, and Ubuntu has switched to the experimental packages in dapper, so
hopefully it will get some more extensive testing. I really hope that
you will upload the packages to unstable soon.

 Björn Any chance of getting KCM enabled by the way?
 
 Err... What is KCM?

Kerberos Cache Manager, a new feature in heimdal 0.7.

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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-11-25 Thread Brian May
 Björn == Björn Torkelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Björn I did rebuild it for Ubuntu dapper and have been running it for some
Björn time now. Seems to be working without any problems. 

Great news!

Björn Any chance of getting KCM enabled by the way?

Err... What is KCM?
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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-11-15 Thread Björn Torkelsson
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 09:31 +1000, Brian May wrote:
  Brian == Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Brian There have been increasing calls for me to drop krb4
 Brian support in Heimdal (first in bug #315059 and now by
 Brian upstream in bug #334632 - it would also solve #236851). It
 Brian would also eliminate confusion such as in bug #330151 (not
 Brian a bug).
 
 I have compiled Heimdal 0.7.1 in placed it in experimental.
 
 I would appreciate it if people test it and let me know what is likely
 to break (especially as a result of removing Kerberos4kth support).

I did rebuild it for Ubuntu dapper and have been running it for some
time now. Seems to be working without any problems. 

Any chance of getting KCM enabled by the way?

/torkel



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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-28 Thread Brian May
 Brian == Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Brian There have been increasing calls for me to drop krb4
Brian support in Heimdal (first in bug #315059 and now by
Brian upstream in bug #334632 - it would also solve #236851). It
Brian would also eliminate confusion such as in bug #330151 (not
Brian a bug).

I have compiled Heimdal 0.7.1 in placed it in experimental.

I would appreciate it if people test it and let me know what is likely
to break (especially as a result of removing Kerberos4kth support).

Thanks.
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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-25 Thread Björn Torkelsson
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:18 +1000, Brian May wrote:
  Steve == Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Steve On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 03:20:08PM -0400, Sam Hartman
 Steve wrote:
  Does the krb524 functionality disappear from the KDC if you
  turn off krb4?
 
 Steve According to upstream, krb524 works without krb4 in heimdal
 Steve 0.7; nothing was said about heimdal 0.6.3 which we
 Steve currently have in unstable, but I imagine we'd need to move
 Steve to the new version.
 
 It looks like totally removing krb4 support would mean conflicting
 with kerberos4kth, due to conflicts between shared libraries used.
 
 Does this matter?
 
 Is it time to think about removing kerberos4kth from the archive
 anyway?

In my opinion yes. However an easy and well documented upgrade-path from
a krb4 KDC to a krb5 KDC is probably necessary. 

/torkel





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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Sam Hartman
Does the krb524 functionality disappear from the KDC if you turn off
krb4?

If so, that will be a problem for current openafs, although probably
not for future openafs.




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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Steve Langasek
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 03:20:08PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
 Does the krb524 functionality disappear from the KDC if you turn off
 krb4?

According to upstream, krb524 works without krb4 in heimdal 0.7; nothing was
said about heimdal 0.6.3 which we currently have in unstable, but I imagine
we'd need to move to the new version.

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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Brian May
 Steve == Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steve On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 03:20:08PM -0400, Sam Hartman
Steve wrote:
 Does the krb524 functionality disappear from the KDC if you
 turn off krb4?

Steve According to upstream, krb524 works without krb4 in heimdal
Steve 0.7; nothing was said about heimdal 0.6.3 which we
Steve currently have in unstable, but I imagine we'd need to move
Steve to the new version.

It looks like totally removing krb4 support would mean conflicting
with kerberos4kth, due to conflicts between shared libraries used.

Does this matter?

Is it time to think about removing kerberos4kth from the archive
anyway?
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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:18:27PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
  Steve == Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Steve On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 03:20:08PM -0400, Sam Hartman
 Steve wrote:
  Does the krb524 functionality disappear from the KDC if you
  turn off krb4?

 Steve According to upstream, krb524 works without krb4 in heimdal
 Steve 0.7; nothing was said about heimdal 0.6.3 which we
 Steve currently have in unstable, but I imagine we'd need to move
 Steve to the new version.

 It looks like totally removing krb4 support would mean conflicting
 with kerberos4kth, due to conflicts between shared libraries used.

 Does this matter?

 Is it time to think about removing kerberos4kth from the archive
 anyway?

Do heimdal's krb4 support libraries actually implement the same ABI as the
kerberos4kth implementation?  Depending on the details, it might be better
to Provides/Conflicts/Replaces the old krb4 lib package; but if the ABIs
aren't the same, it would be better to fix the heimdal version so that it
doesn't collide.

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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Brian May
 Steve == Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steve Do heimdal's krb4 support libraries actually implement the
Steve same ABI as the kerberos4kth implementation?  Depending on
Steve the details, it might be better to
Steve Provides/Conflicts/Replaces the old krb4 lib package; but
Steve if the ABIs aren't the same, it would be better to fix the
Steve heimdal version so that it doesn't collide.

I suspect they are the same (libroken and libotp) but not absolutely
sure.

In addition to those libraries, libss and libsl are also issues. I
tried using ss-dev in Debian already, but it doesn't appear to be
compatible.

So I might have to repackage libss and libsl in Debian too. yuck. No,
I don't understand what these libraries do (I am sure I have been told
though). No, I don't mean libssl - thats completely different.

I have my latest source code for 0.7.1 online at
URL:http://people.debian.org/~bam/ in case anybody wants to play
with it. At the moment it won't compile due to the libss/libsl
issue. There might be other compile issues, but I think I have fixed
them all.

The relevant patch file in debian/patches/012_sharedlibs, regenerate
the autoconf patch with debian/scripts/autotools. Requires automake
1.8.

There is also the issue of the versioned symbols patch not applying
cleanly.

Any help appreciated, Thanks.
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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-23 Thread Love Hörnquist Åstrand

You can use AFS support in heimdal (both KDC and client) in 0.7 without any
kerberos 4 support.

Please drop Kerberos 4, and leave it to the archeologists.

Love



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Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-22 Thread Brian May
To: debian-devel, bug#315059 and submitter
CC: krb4 maintainer and openafs maintainers

Hello,

There have been increasing calls for me to drop krb4 support in
Heimdal (first in bug #315059 and now by upstream in bug #334632 - it
would also solve #236851). It would also eliminate confusion such as
in bug #330151 (not a bug).

Would this effect anybody? Would this break anything?

I noted when I was experimenting with openafs last I couldn't get it
to work without krb4 support in Heimdal KDC, but admit I may have been
doing something wrong.

krb4 is generally considered obsolete and insecure - I think the only
reason it was requested was because of AFS requirements - does that
reason still apply?

Thanks.
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