Bug#329701: Re: Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertags #329701 close-20060531 thanks On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:43:04AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: adduser maintainership would like to see this discussed on debian-devel. Please state your case there, and I'll decide what to do afterwards. Since the original submitter doesn't seem to have cared to start that discussion (at least I have not seen it on -devel), I am tagging this bug to be closed on 2006-05-31. This is more than three months in the future, so there is plenty of time to discuss this with the other Debian developers. I might be influenced to do the change if the discussion doesn't point out bad negative effects of the change. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 12:46:55AM +, Mark Brown wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:40:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:08:50AM +0100, Teddy Hogeborn wrote: One additional possibility is for adduser to support an interface to add users/groups in this new range, which would involve a new configuration option and at least one new command line option. But this is not necessarily requested or required. I'm actually not convinced that this would do any good. adduser traditionally does not care about NIS/LDAP setup, and I think that accounts and groups that will appear on multiple systems should not be created by adduser. Traditionally the default setup for NIS (in general, not just in Debian) has been to export any administratively created users and groups from the NIS master server to clients on the network. Users can configure it otherwise if they like (well, at least on Linux) but that's the default. adduser maintainership would like to see this discussed on debian-devel. Please state your case there, and I'll decide what to do afterwards. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:43:04AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 12:46:55AM +, Mark Brown wrote: adduser maintainership would like to see this discussed on debian-devel. Please state your case there, and I'll decide what to do afterwards. I personally don't care too much, I'm just not going to have NIS assign different semantics to GIDs to those used by the rest of Debian. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:40:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:08:50AM +0100, Teddy Hogeborn wrote: One additional possibility is for adduser to support an interface to add users/groups in this new range, which would involve a new configuration option and at least one new command line option. But this is not necessarily requested or required. I'm actually not convinced that this would do any good. adduser traditionally does not care about NIS/LDAP setup, and I think that accounts and groups that will appear on multiple systems should not be created by adduser. Traditionally the default setup for NIS (in general, not just in Debian) has been to export any administratively created users and groups from the NIS master server to clients on the network. Users can configure it otherwise if they like (well, at least on Linux) but that's the default. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which change is suggested to adduser? The change of LAST_SYSTEM_UID in /etc/adduser.conf from 999 to 499. /etc/adduser.conf is a conffile. The range 100-999 is laid down in policy 9.2.2, so changing the default in adduser is out of the question. I'm trying to affect a policy change here. But -policy consistently refers to package maintainers to change their packages before a policy change can be considered. Therefore I'm trying to get packages to change. It can't be *impossible* to change, one or the other has to be changed first. I tried (several times) to bring up the issue in debian-policy but no one replied. That is why I'm now bringing up the issue with you, the package maintainers of the affected packages. So far I have gotten the nis package maintainer to agree to the change if done in concert with the other affected packages. If this is done, Group IDs of 500 to 999 can be used for NIS-exported groups, but this is not anything which adduser has to be concerned about. Right, adduser can be locally configure to handle this. I know. I'm talking about what the default should be. One additional possibility is for adduser to support an interface to add users/groups in this new range, which would involve a new configuration option and at least one new command line option. But this is not necessarily requested or required. I'm actually not convinced that this would do any good. adduser traditionally does not care about NIS/LDAP setup, and I think that accounts and groups that will appear on multiple systems should not be created by adduser. Fair enough for me; it was the nis package maintainer who suggested that the proposal might be more convincing if adduser had an interface to add users in this range. I'm not attached to the idea. Just to make something clear, though: users that are added by adduser are already exported by NIS, since NIS by default exports all users from ID 1000 and up (all except 65534). /Teddy
Bug#329701: [Adduser-devel] Bug#329701: Local (non-NIS) users and groups
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:08:50AM +0100, Teddy Hogeborn wrote: Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not having a clue about NIS and never having had any sizeable amount of local users, I'd like to have an executive summary for this bug report. Which change is suggested to adduser? The change of LAST_SYSTEM_UID in /etc/adduser.conf from 999 to 499. /etc/adduser.conf is a conffile. The range 100-999 is laid down in policy 9.2.2, so changing the default in adduser is out of the question. If this is done, Group IDs of 500 to 999 can be used for NIS-exported groups, but this is not anything which adduser has to be concerned about. Right, adduser can be locally configure to handle this. One additional possibility is for adduser to support an interface to add users/groups in this new range, which would involve a new configuration option and at least one new command line option. But this is not necessarily requested or required. I'm actually not convinced that this would do any good. adduser traditionally does not care about NIS/LDAP setup, and I think that accounts and groups that will appear on multiple systems should not be created by adduser. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
