Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
I really don't remember if I replied to this message or not, but since now I have a little spare time (grading the finals is finally over and I can study some things). :-) On Nov 03 2005, Stefan Ulrich wrote: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd also like to hear from the xdvik people what the file is meant for (Emacs' built in TeX mode? Older AUCTeX versions?), and what they think about integration in AUCTeX/Emacs Goodies/Whatever. Thanks for CCing me on this - I didn't know that AUCTeX had support for inverse search with xdvi. Oops. I don't know if AUCTeX really has support for inverse search (I will have to check the manual). What I meant is that, with AUCTeX, you can (easily) enable source specials and, with your xdvi-search.el, this means that Emacs can use easily the forward/backward search with xdvi(k). BTW, I'm using Debian's emacs-snapshot (taken from unstable/what will become Emacs 22) and your xdvi-search.el works quite well with this (and I don't have the need to install extra things like gnuserv---the builtin server and client work much better than before, in my experience, and that makes Emacs+xdvi(k) a great environment for TeXing documents). IMVHO, this is an extra reason to have xdvi-search.el available. If it does now, it probably doesn't make sense to maintain a separate package like xdvi-search.el any more. I would probably keep the version on http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el for reference only and update the xdvi documentation to point to AUCTeX instead. Please, see the comments above. I think that now it matters much more than earlier to have xdvi-search.el available. Thanks, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
@David: I think there's currently no AUCTex list where one can post to without being subscribed or having to wait for moderator approval, therefore I'm sending this to you. Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 03 2005, Stefan Ulrich wrote: Thanks for CCing me on this - I didn't know that AUCTeX had support for inverse search with xdvi. Oops. I don't know if AUCTeX really has support for inverse search (I will have to check the manual). I don't use it personally, but according to the manual AUCTEX does have support for inverse search. What I meant is that, with AUCTeX, you can (easily) enable source specials and, with your xdvi-search.el, this means that Emacs can use easily the forward/backward search with xdvi(k). It should be possible with AUCTeX, too. According to the manual, even AUCTeX in sarge supports forward and inverse search. IMVHO, this is an extra reason to have xdvi-search.el available. I think xdvi-search.el is useful for people that use the standard TeX mode (which is perhaps more suited for plain TeX), but if anything is missing in AUCTeX that xdvi-search.el has, it should rather be integrated in AUCTeX. But I assume that the AUCTeX developers already had a look at xdvi-search.el If it does now, it probably doesn't make sense to maintain a separate package like xdvi-search.el any more. I would probably keep the version on http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el for reference only and update the xdvi documentation to point to AUCTeX instead. Please, see the comments above. I think that now it matters much more than earlier to have xdvi-search.el available. I don't see why. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks. This would be useful to me also as I also use LaTeX. What does this file offer that AUCTeX doesn't? Is this for the standard TeX mode? Does anybody really use the standard TeX mode? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Hi all, Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for joining the discussion Frank. While we're about joining, I'm sending this to Stefan Ulrich, the xdvik developer most interested in Debian. And I'm taking out the emacsen people and one of the tetex copies¹ This discussion is about including xdvi-search.el in a Debian package, which is unclear. Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does this file offer that AUCTeX doesn't? Is this for the standard TeX mode? Does anybody really use the standard TeX mode? Now that's funny. I'm not an AucTex power user at all. I don't tend to use the mode to run latex and bibtex on the file I edit (I use it mainly for font-lock, not too surprisingly). Now I see what I've been missing out on. So yes, once you turn on `source specials' in auctex then viewing will display the current point (approximately anyway). So given that fact, should I: 1- Forget all about xdvi-search. or 2- Include it in emacs-goodies-el, but document in the Info file that this can also be done using auctex exclusively. The second option might serve to advertise auctex to potential new users, so I'd vote for that. I'd also like to hear from the xdvik people what the file is meant for (Emacs' built in TeX mode? Older AUCTeX versions?), and what they think about integration in AUCTeX/Emacs Goodies/Whatever. TIA, Frank ¹ did that work? there's no package tetex -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Thanks for joining the discussion Frank. Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks. This would be useful to me also as I also use LaTeX. What does this file offer that AUCTeX doesn't? Is this for the standard TeX mode? Does anybody really use the standard TeX mode? Now that's funny. I'm not an AucTex power user at all. I don't tend to use the mode to run latex and bibtex on the file I edit (I use it mainly for font-lock, not too surprisingly). Now I see what I've been missing out on. So yes, once you turn on `source specials' in auctex then viewing will display the current point (approximately anyway). So given that fact, should I: 1- Forget all about xdvi-search. or 2- Include it in emacs-goodies-el, but document in the Info file that this can also be done using auctex exclusively. The second option might serve to advertise auctex to potential new users, so I'd vote for that. Comments? -- Peter
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Hi there. On Nov 03 2005, Frank Küster wrote: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for joining the discussion Frank. While we're about joining, I'm sending this to Stefan Ulrich, the xdvik developer most interested in Debian. Nice. This discussion is about including xdvi-search.el in a Debian package, which is unclear. I think that xdvi-search.el has nothing to do with AUCTeX and only with TeX. Even if one doesn't know about the existence of AUCTeX, one may be interested in using LaTeX documents with source specials and doing forward/backward searches. Now that's funny. I'm not an AucTex power user at all. I don't tend to use the mode to run latex and bibtex on the file I edit (I use it mainly for font-lock, not too surprisingly). That's indeed an underuse of AUCTeX. Now I see what I've been missing out on. You should definitely check the manual. The pleasure of using (La)TeX is immensely augmented by the proper use of AUCTeX and once you get used to it, you'll never want to go back. Trust me. BTW, I'd also recommend using it with RefTeX and with preview-latex, if you have not used them yet. So given that fact, should I: (...) or 2- Include it in emacs-goodies-el, but document in the Info file that this can also be done using auctex exclusively. The second option might serve to advertise auctex to potential new users, so I'd vote for that. I'd vote for this one, without any questions. Perhaps a Suggests: auctex would be a nice addition to the package. I'd also like to hear from the xdvik people what the file is meant for (Emacs' built in TeX mode? Older AUCTeX versions?), and what they think about integration in AUCTeX/Emacs Goodies/Whatever. I think that it can be used without any problems with Emacs's built-in mode (even though I haven't tested that). ¹ did that work? there's no package tetex It was added by Peter, but I followed suit and it didn't bound, at least. :-) Regards, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that xdvi-search.el has nothing to do with AUCTeX and only with TeX. Even if one doesn't know about the existence of AUCTeX, one may be interested in using LaTeX documents with source specials and doing forward/backward searches. Agreed. Now that's funny. I'm not an AucTex power user at all. I don't tend to use the mode to run latex and bibtex on the file I edit (I use it mainly for font-lock, not too surprisingly). That's indeed an underuse of AUCTeX. :-) It's funny (and sad at the same time) because I'm the author of font-latex.el and I'm still an (inactive) auctex developer. So given that fact, should I: (...) or 2- Include it in emacs-goodies-el, but document in the Info file that this can also be done using auctex exclusively. The second option might serve to advertise auctex to potential new users, so I'd vote for that. I'd vote for this one, without any questions. Perhaps a Suggests: auctex would be a nice addition to the package. I'd also like to hear from the xdvik people what the file is meant for (Emacs' built in TeX mode? Older AUCTeX versions?), and what they think about integration in AUCTeX/Emacs Goodies/Whatever. I think that it can be used without any problems with Emacs's built-in mode (even though I haven't tested that). If I build the dvi file within auctex (with source specials enabled), i can use `M-x xdvi-jump-to-line' to preview it at the current source location. So that works. I think I just document how to make the dvi file with source specials enabled (since I've only done that through auctex as of now) and will include it in emacs-goodies-el. ¹ did that work? there's no package tetex It was added by Peter, but I followed suit and it didn't bound, at least. :-) Sorry about that. -- Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~psg GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE 6E68 8170 35FF 799E
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd also like to hear from the xdvik people what the file is meant for (Emacs' built in TeX mode? Older AUCTeX versions?), and what they think about integration in AUCTeX/Emacs Goodies/Whatever. Thanks for CCing me on this - I didn't know that AUCTeX had support for inverse search with xdvi. xdvi-search.el was written at the same time as the inverse search support in xdvi(k), so naturally, AUCTeX didn't have support for that feature back then ;-) If it does now, it probably doesn't make sense to maintain a separate package like xdvi-search.el any more. I would probably keep the version on http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el for reference only and update the xdvi documentation to point to AUCTeX instead. Best, Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter and all others, On Oct 31 2005, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I am CC'ing this to interested parties, including debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org for discussion. Nice. I'm including debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org also, as they may have some insight in the situation. Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you probably know, Emacs is used quite a lot by people that use LaTeX and in the usual workflow of generating a LaTeX document, one usually goes through the compilation of the source and then sees the output using a variety of modes, the most common of which is seeing a DVI output file. Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks. This would be useful to me also as I also use LaTeX. I just tried this at work on sarge and xdvi wasn't compiled with this support, so it didn't work. I'll try it at home on unstable. Humm, this is actually quite strange, since I was using this Forward/Backward thing with sarge when it wasn't released (I'm always tracking testing, BTW). Do you use AUCTeX? Based on the fact that you included them on the CC, I'd assume that you do. With current AUCTeX, you have to compile the file with source specials and this can be achieved with C-c C-t C-s. Thanks. I had misundertood the error. I didn't realise that the dvi file could be built with this feature included or not. It does works after all. I wonder if users would be better served if this were included either in auctex or in some part of tetex (perhaps tetex-extra). So my questions for everybody are: I think that forward/backward searching is independent of the use of AUCTeX (despite the fact that heavy LaTeX users use AUCTeX already, probably). I don't think that Frank Küster Co. would like to include it in tetex-extra (I think that they would prefer it in an agnostic way, since Debian will soon have both teTeX and TeX Live on its repository). It might be a possibility to have xdvi-search.el on tex-common, though (which is the basic infra-structure package for the TeX distributions in Debian from now on). - Which package do you think xdvi-search.el should be added to? I'd still say that emacs-goodies-el is the strongest candidate of it all, but having it in tex-common might make sense (unless others are vehemently opposed to that). - If you maintain tetex or auctex, do you think it should o in your package? Are you willing to add it? Whatever is the decision, I think that it deserves to be more well-known for Emacs users. Oh, BTW, if I am not mistaken, kdvi (the dvi previewer for KDE) even has some tips and long explanations on how kdvi supports source specials. I'm perfectly willing to add it to emacs-goodies-el and remove it later if it gets added to tex-common. Thanks! Peter
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
I am CC'ing this to interested parties, including debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org for discussion. Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: emacs-goodies-el Version: 25.1-1 Severity: wishlist As you probably know, Emacs is used quite a lot by people that use LaTeX and in the usual workflow of generating a LaTeX document, one usually goes through the compilation of the source and then sees the output using a variety of modes, the most common of which is seeing a DVI output file. Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks. This would be useful to me also as I also use LaTeX. I just tried this at work on sarge and xdvi wasn't compiled with this support, so it didn't work. I'll try it at home on unstable. I wonder if users would be better served if this were included either in auctex or in some part of tetex (perhaps tetex-extra). So my questions for everybody are: - Which package do you think xdvi-search.el should be added to? - If you maintain tetex or auctex, do you think it should o in your package? Are you willing to add it? Note: the author needs to run `M-x checkdoc' on it. I'll file a bug report at Sourceforge. -- Peter
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Hi Peter and all others, On Oct 31 2005, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I am CC'ing this to interested parties, including debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org for discussion. Nice. I'm including debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org also, as they may have some insight in the situation. Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you probably know, Emacs is used quite a lot by people that use LaTeX and in the usual workflow of generating a LaTeX document, one usually goes through the compilation of the source and then sees the output using a variety of modes, the most common of which is seeing a DVI output file. Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks. This would be useful to me also as I also use LaTeX. I just tried this at work on sarge and xdvi wasn't compiled with this support, so it didn't work. I'll try it at home on unstable. Humm, this is actually quite strange, since I was using this Forward/Backward thing with sarge when it wasn't released (I'm always tracking testing, BTW). Do you use AUCTeX? Based on the fact that you included them on the CC, I'd assume that you do. With current AUCTeX, you have to compile the file with source specials and this can be achieved with C-c C-t C-s. Then, from that moment on, you can go to the desired point in xdvi just by typing something like C-c h; I included this in my .emacs so that I can use forward/backward searching: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ; To enable forward-search with xdvi(k) (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/)) (require 'xdvi-search) (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook (lambda () (outline-minor-mode) (reftex-mode) (setq reftex-plug-into-AUCTeX t) (local-set-key \C-ch 'xdvi-jump-to-line))) ; to avoid clash with prefix of auctex (setq outline-minor-mode-prefix \C-c\C-o) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The 'load-path thing that you see is just because I currently keep my xdvi-search.el inside of the ~/.emacs.d/ directory. I also have this on my .Xdefaults file, BTW: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - !!! XDvi xdvi*highlight: red xdvi*keepPosition: True xdvi.wwwBrowser:loadurl xdvi.shrinkFactor: 4 xdvi.expert:True xdvi.paper: a4 !xdvi.editor: gnuclient -q +%l %f xdvi.editor:emacsclient --no-wait +%l %f !xdvi.mfMode:ljfour:1200 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Feel free to grab whatever you want from it. I wonder if users would be better served if this were included either in auctex or in some part of tetex (perhaps tetex-extra). So my questions for everybody are: I think that forward/backward searching is independent of the use of AUCTeX (despite the fact that heavy LaTeX users use AUCTeX already, probably). I don't think that Frank Küster Co. would like to include it in tetex-extra (I think that they would prefer it in an agnostic way, since Debian will soon have both teTeX and TeX Live on its repository). It might be a possibility to have xdvi-search.el on tex-common, though (which is the basic infra-structure package for the TeX distributions in Debian from now on). - Which package do you think xdvi-search.el should be added to? I'd still say that emacs-goodies-el is the strongest candidate of it all, but having it in tex-common might make sense (unless others are vehemently opposed to that). - If you maintain tetex or auctex, do you think it should o in your package? Are you willing to add it? Whatever is the decision, I think that it deserves to be more well-known for Emacs users. Oh, BTW, if I am not mistaken, kdvi (the dvi previewer for KDE) even has some tips and long explanations on how kdvi supports source specials. Note: the author needs to run `M-x checkdoc' on it. I'll file a bug report at Sourceforge. Nice. I didn't know about the existence of checkdoc. :-) Regards, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/
Bug#336400: emacs-goodies-el: please add xdvi-search.el
Package: emacs-goodies-el Version: 25.1-1 Severity: wishlist Hi there. A second request filed separately from the first one. As you probably know, Emacs is used quite a lot by people that use LaTeX and in the usual workflow of generating a LaTeX document, one usually goes through the compilation of the source and then sees the output using a variety of modes, the most common of which is seeing a DVI output file. Since LaTeX supports source specials and the xdvi in current Debian versions support forward and backward searching, it would be a very good addition if the file xdvi-search.el could be added to the package emacs-goodies-el. The xdvi-search.el file can be obtained from: http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/xdvi-search.el. Thanks in advance, Rogério Brito. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers testing APT policy: (900, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.14-rc5-2 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=pt_BR (charmap=ISO-8859-1) Versions of packages emacs-goodies-el depends on: ii bash 3.0-17 The GNU Bourne Again SHell ii emacs21 [emacsen] 21.4a-1The GNU Emacs editor Versions of packages emacs-goodies-el recommends: ii dict 1.9.15-1 Dictionary Client pn perl-doc none (no description available) ii wget 1.10.2-1 retrieves files from the web -- no debconf information -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/
