Bug#367080: Please change lanuage input priority to critical

2006-05-13 Thread Steffen Joeris
Package: localechooser
Severity: normal
Tags: patch

Hi

While I try to port the debian-edu installation on etch I have a small
problem. Of course the users want to choose the language and for that we
need localechooser. But we try to avoid more questions than neccessary,
as you might know the advantage of a Debian-Edu/Skolelinux installation
is to have it as easy as possible. For that we are using
DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical as a KERNEL_PARAMS . Well the input priority
for the language is "high" and changing our priority to high would
introduce more questions from other packages, which is not desirable.
So is there a problem with changing the priority to "critical" instead
of "high", I don't see a reason against doing that.

If you agree please change:

db_input high $template || [ $? -eq 30 ]
to
db_input critical $template || [ $? -eq 30 ]

(line 253 in localechooser)

Anyway please give me a small feedback.

Greetings
Steffen

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-1-686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)


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Bug#367080: Please change lanuage input priority to critical

2006-05-13 Thread Christian Perrier
CC'ing you just in case

> If you agree please change:
> 
> db_input high $template || [ $? -eq 30 ]
> to
> db_input critical $template || [ $? -eq 30 ]
> 
> (line 253 in localechooser)
> 
> Anyway please give me a small feedback.


The rationale of the language priority being set to high was similar
to all other questions: the answer is not absolutely mandatory for the
install to run, given that the installation can be run in English
without compromising the result.

Of course, I understand your concerns here and changing the language
question could be imaginedthe only drawback being that it would be
kind of a precedent for other questions being raised at "critical"
priority.

I'd like to have other's advice and feeling about this.

Indeed, that raises an interesting d-i enhancement possibility: why
not allow users to preseedthe questions priority rather than the
answers.

This would allow CDD to adjust the questions priority to their needs
without changing the D-I code.

I don't know if that's feasible...but probably worth being discussed.




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Bug#367080: Please change lanuage input priority to critical

2006-05-13 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:24, Christian Perrier wrote:
> The rationale of the language priority being set to high was similar
> to all other questions: the answer is not absolutely mandatory for the
> install to run, given that the installation can be run in English
> without compromising the result.
Well yes I know, but how useful is an installation in english if you don't 
understand it?


> Of course, I understand your concerns here and changing the language
> question could be imaginedthe only drawback being that it would be
> kind of a precedent for other questions being raised at "critical"
> priority.
>
> I'd like to have other's advice and feeling about this.
Yes would be nice :)

> Indeed, that raises an interesting d-i enhancement possibility: why
> not allow users to preseedthe questions priority rather than the
> answers.
Preeseding would be wonderful :)


> This would allow CDD to adjust the questions priority to their needs
> without changing the D-I code.
And that is of course desirable, I *hate* the idea of doing a NMU for 
Debian-Edu Archive of localechooser.

Greetings
Steffen


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Bug#367080: Please change lanuage input priority to critical

2006-05-13 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:24, Christian Perrier wrote:
> The rationale of the language priority being set to high was similar
> to all other questions: the answer is not absolutely mandatory for the
> install to run, given that the installation can be run in English
> without compromising the result.

[...]

> I'd like to have other's advice and feeling about this.

I would say it is probably valid to have the language and also the country 
asked at critical priority as both questions set defaults for other 
important aspects of the installed system.


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Bug#367080: Please change lanuage input priority to critical

2006-05-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 03:47:30PM +0200, Steffen Joeris wrote:
> While I try to port the debian-edu installation on etch I have a small
> problem. Of course the users want to choose the language and for that we
> need localechooser. But we try to avoid more questions than neccessary,
> as you might know the advantage of a Debian-Edu/Skolelinux installation
> is to have it as easy as possible. For that we are using
> DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical as a KERNEL_PARAMS . Well the input priority
> for the language is "high" and changing our priority to high would
> introduce more questions from other packages, which is not desirable.
> So is there a problem with changing the priority to "critical" instead
> of "high", I don't see a reason against doing that.

FWIW, I tried the approach of using DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical in Ubuntu
and found it to be ultimately doomed. d-i assumes that critical is for
automated installs, and I found that when I tried to bump new questions
to priority critical that were designed for interactive use I caused
preseeded setups to overflow kernel parameter limits.

Linux 2.6.9 and above have weaker restrictions on the length of the
kernel command line, so maybe this isn't a problem any more, and I don't
object to this localechooser change in particular, but from my
experience I do think that using DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical might not be
the best approach for debian-edu.

Cheers,

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