Bug#386875: exim4: doesn't support outgoing SSL connections on port 465

2006-09-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 06:27:34PM +0930, Arthur Marsh wrote:
 Marc Haber wrote, On 2006-09-11 18:14:
 On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 04:56:14AM +0930, Arthur Marsh wrote:
 I've used a guide at 
 http://www.technovelty.org/linux/tips/exim4ssmtp.html to get outbound 
 ssl connections to my ISP's secure mail server working, and wondered by 
 exim4 didn't support outbound mail connections over ssl using port 465?
 
 smtp-over-tls on port 465 is a legacy protocol. Upstream is not
 planning to implement this at the current time. Please pester your ISP
 to support current Internet Standards.
 
 All I can offer is to forward this upstream, getting a new statement
 we won't implement this and keep this bug open as wontfix in the
 Debian BTS.
 
 I don't think that makes sense, so I'll close this bug. If you
 disagree, please feel free to re-open.
 
 OK, but what are the current Internet standards for secure smtp connections?

ESMTP STARTTLS on Port 25.

 My ISP's current secure email connection information is at:
 
 http://www.internode.on.net/support/email/secure/index.php

They seem to provide you sub-standard service. Try educating them.

I suspect that there is a number of mail clients that cannot do
smtp-over-tls on tcp/465 in the first place.

 (FYI, I'm one of the people that doesn't believe the telnet is 
 insecure, ssh is safe mantra that others keep stating, having run 
 secure-only telnet servers and read of man-in-the-middle attacks on ssh).

When people say telnet is insecure, they are usually referring to
unencrypted telnet. Personally, I have never run telnet over TSL, but
I suspect that ssh is more widely used because of its vastly superior
feature set.
mitm attacks are usually caused by people clicking away the new host
key warning, but it's the same with classical TLS as well.

Greetings
Marc

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Bug#386875: exim4: doesn't support outgoing SSL connections on port 465

2006-09-10 Thread Arthur Marsh
Package: exim4
Version: 4.63-3
Severity: wishlist


I've used a guide at 
http://www.technovelty.org/linux/tips/exim4ssmtp.html to get outbound 
ssl connections to my ISP's secure mail server working, and wondered by 
exim4 didn't support outbound mail connections over ssl using port 465?

Regards,

Arthur.

-- Package-specific info:
Exim version 4.63 #1 built 23-Aug-2006 17:21:47
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2006
Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.3.29: (September  6, 2005)
Support for: crypteq iconv() IPv6 GnuTLS move_frozen_messages
Lookups: lsearch wildlsearch nwildlsearch iplsearch cdb dbm dbmnz dsearch nis 
nis0 passwd
Authenticators: cram_md5 plaintext
Routers: accept dnslookup ipliteral manualroute queryprogram redirect
Transports: appendfile/maildir/mailstore autoreply lmtp pipe smtp
Fixed never_users: 0
Size of off_t: 8
Configuration file is /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
# /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
#
# Edit this file and /etc/mailname by hand and execute update-exim4.conf
# yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'

dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost'
dc_other_hostnames='victoria'
dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1'
dc_readhost='victoria'
dc_relay_domains=''
dc_minimaldns='false'
dc_relay_nets=''
#dc_smarthost='mail.internode.on.net'
#dc_smarthost='mail.bigpond.com'
#dc_smarthost='securemail.internode.on.net'
dc_smarthost='localhost'
CFILEMODE='644'
dc_use_split_config='false'
dc_hide_mailname='true'
dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
mailname:victoria

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17
Locale: LANG=en_AU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages exim4 depends on:
ii  exim4-base4.63-3 support files for all exim MTA (v4
ii  exim4-daemon-light4.63-3 lightweight exim MTA (v4) daemon

exim4 recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information


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