Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
Hi, On Monday 28 April 2008 18:59, Ola Lundqvist wrote: VServer looks currently dead. That is a pity. Is it a problem upstream or with the maintainer? It's a gross simplification. vserver is not dead, they are lacking a bit behind the latest kernel release, which is the only thing some people care about... regards, Holger pgpuk9NqxvBFW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
Hi Holger Really good to know. I'm the (co-)maintainer of util-vserver so I really want the vserver kernels to be maintained. :) Best regards, // Ola On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:51:14AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Monday 28 April 2008 18:59, Ola Lundqvist wrote: VServer looks currently dead. That is a pity. Is it a problem upstream or with the maintainer? It's a gross simplification. vserver is not dead, they are lacking a bit behind the latest kernel release, which is the only thing some people care about... regards, Holger -- --- Inguza Technology AB --- MSc in Information Technology / [EMAIL PROTECTED]Annebergsslingan 37\ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 654 65 KARLSTAD| | http://inguza.com/Mobile: +46 (0)70-332 1551 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:51:14AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Monday 28 April 2008 18:59, Ola Lundqvist wrote: VServer looks currently dead. That is a pity. Is it a problem upstream or with the maintainer? It's a gross simplification. vserver is not dead, they are lacking a bit behind the latest kernel release, which is the only thing some people care about... no it is reality. they are missing on the upstream namespace merge train. vserver latest stable release is for 2.6.22 2.6.22 was realeased allmost 10 month ago. going for openvz for 2.6.26 seems the way forward. -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#478208: Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
As for mainstream integration, I can say OpenVZ is committed to merging containers functionality to mainstream. I have just checked the number of changesets submitted by OpenVZ and Linux-VServer guys, using up-to-date Linus' kernel git tree. For the last 365 days (i.e. a year) there were 818 changesets from OpenVZ guys and only 14 patches from VServer guys. These numbers could be wrong (maybe I'm missing someone) but not totally wrong. Also, IMHO the document http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines is not applicable to this case because it describes patches that are [not] welcome to standard Debian kernel, while OpenVZ, Linux-VServer, Xen etc. provide flavored kernels. In other words, these all are special kernels with special use cases. So, either this policy is not applicable, or linux-image-vserver and linux-image-xen are all not conforming to the policy. As for 2.6.26, OpenVZ team plans to start porting to that kernel as soon as 2.6.26-rc1 is released. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines?action=fullsearchvalue=linkto%3A%22DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines%22context=180 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:47:27PM +0400, Kir Kolyshkin wrote: As for mainstream integration, I can say OpenVZ is committed to merging containers functionality to mainstream. I have just checked the number of changesets submitted by OpenVZ and Linux-VServer guys, using up-to-date Linus' kernel git tree. For the last 365 days (i.e. a year) there were 818 changesets from OpenVZ guys and only 14 patches from VServer guys. These numbers could be wrong (maybe I'm missing someone) but not totally wrong. Also, IMHO the document http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines is not applicable to this case because it describes patches that are [not] welcome to standard Debian kernel, while OpenVZ, Linux-VServer, Xen etc. provide flavored kernels. In other words, these all are special kernels with special use cases. So, either this policy is not applicable, or linux-image-vserver and linux-image-xen are all not conforming to the policy. As for 2.6.26, OpenVZ team plans to start porting to that kernel as soon as 2.6.26-rc1 is released. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines?action=fullsearchvalue=linkto%3A%22DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines%22context=180 Thanks for this analysis of ports. Just to mention that i believe the current rules or at least the current position concerning patches are too restrictive and rigid. I tried to move about this concerning architecture support patches, see in : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439006 Maybe you should post something there about what you write above, and we can retitle this bug or something, but there needs to be some discussion to happen about this above policy, and the debian kernel team need to losen a bit about this. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#478208: Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:47:27PM +0400, Kir Kolyshkin wrote: As for mainstream integration, I can say OpenVZ is committed to merging containers functionality to mainstream. I have just checked the number of changesets submitted by OpenVZ and Linux-VServer guys, using up-to-date Linus' kernel git tree. For the last 365 days (i.e. a year) there were 818 changesets from OpenVZ guys and only 14 patches from VServer guys. These numbers could be wrong (maybe I'm missing someone) but not totally wrong. indeed the openvz upstream merge record is fun to watch :) IMHO the coding style of vserver is not up to upstream merge quality. even if compared to xen we are quite happy about its etch bug count. Also, IMHO the document http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines is not applicable to this case because it describes patches that are [not] welcome to standard Debian kernel, while OpenVZ, Linux-VServer, Xen etc. provide flavored kernels. In other words, these all are special kernels with special use cases. So, either this policy is not applicable, or linux-image-vserver and linux-image-xen are all not conforming to the policy. sure, it is for random_unsolcited_oot.patch. As for 2.6.26, OpenVZ team plans to start porting to that kernel as soon as 2.6.26-rc1 is released. great, please post git tree once it is public, so that we can integrate the flavour for upcoming 2.6.26 Lenny release. -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:47:27 +0400 Kir Kolyshkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, IMHO the document http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines is not applicable to this case because it describes patches that are [not] welcome to standard Debian kernel, while OpenVZ, Linux-VServer, Xen etc. provide flavored kernels. In other words, these all are featureset, not flavour in debian, flavours are 484, 686, 686-bigmem etc. BTW, openvz is easy to integrate into debian linux-source-2.6 package, as I already said: http://openvz.org/pipermail/debian/2008-April/000258.html http://git.gq.net.ru/?p=linux-2.6-openvz.git -- Best regards, Alexander GQ Gerasiov Contacts: e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://gq.net.ru ICQ: 7272757 PGP fingerprint: 0628 ACC7 291A D4AA 6D7D 79B8 0641 D82A E3E3 CE1D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#478208: Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:20:06PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: indeed the openvz upstream merge record is fun to watch :) IMHO the coding style of vserver is not up to upstream merge quality. even if compared to xen we are quite happy about its etch bug count. I just took a look into the patch (the devpts part, because upstream Linux lacks namespace support there) and I was shocked about the quality of this patch. Bastian -- Each kiss is as the first. -- Miramanee, Kirk's wife, The Paradise Syndrome, stardate 4842.6 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
Hi Christian On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:17AM -0300, Christian Lyra wrote: Hi there, Since we are talking about openvz and kernel, may I ask for a linux-image-2.6.x-openvz package like Debian already has for xen and vserver? You are perfectly welcome to do so. I have actually tried that already as you can see in http://bugs.debian.org/392015 However it do not match the Debian Acceptance Guidelines as you can see in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines So in order to get it accepted it must be merged upstream, which means to be included in the Linus Torwards Linux kernel source. This is the main reason why there are a set of linux images on download.openvz.org/debian. Best regards, // Ola On Monday 28 April 2008, Thorsten Schifferdecker wrote: Hi Kir, there's actually no need, Alexander GQ Gerasiov git repository has the patch(es) in his git repro: @Ola you can build a single linux-patch-openvz package build against the linux-source-tree 2.6.24-5, take the diff from Alex git repository. -- Christian Lyra POP-PR - RNP http://lyra.soueu.com.br I will maintain a realistic assessment of my strengths and weaknesses. Even though this takes some of the fun out of the job, at least I will never utter the line No, this cannot be! I AM INVINCIBLE!!! (After that, death is usually instantaneous.) The Top Things I'd Do If I Ever Became an Evil Overlord -- --- Inguza Technology AB --- MSc in Information Technology / [EMAIL PROTECTED]Annebergsslingan 37\ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 654 65 KARLSTAD| | http://inguza.com/Mobile: +46 (0)70-332 1551 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#478208: Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 05:47:20PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: Since we are talking about openvz and kernel, may I ask for a linux-image-2.6.x-openvz package like Debian already has for xen and vserver? VServer looks currently dead. However it do not match the Debian Acceptance Guidelines as you can see in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines Well, for an extra featureset, it may be accepted. As we don't longer want to build extra Xen images and VServer is also not supported currently, we may have a spare slot for them. Bastian -- Schshschshchsch. -- The Gorn, Arena, stardate 3046.2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#478208: Bug#392015: [Debian] Re: Bug#478208: linux-patch-openvz asks for kernel version 2.6.18 while default kernel on lenny is 2.6.24
Hi Bastian On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 06:32:47PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 05:47:20PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: Since we are talking about openvz and kernel, may I ask for a linux-image-2.6.x-openvz package like Debian already has for xen and vserver? VServer looks currently dead. That is a pity. Is it a problem upstream or with the maintainer? However it do not match the Debian Acceptance Guidelines as you can see in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelPatchAcceptanceGuidelines Well, for an extra featureset, it may be accepted. As we don't longer want to build extra Xen images and VServer is also not supported currently, we may have a spare slot for them. That sounds like a good thing to me. What do I need to do in order to help with including openvz? Besides providing a decent patch? Best regards, // Ola Bastian -- Schshschshchsch. -- The Gorn, Arena, stardate 3046.2 -- --- Inguza Technology AB --- MSc in Information Technology / [EMAIL PROTECTED]Annebergsslingan 37\ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 654 65 KARLSTAD| | http://inguza.com/Mobile: +46 (0)70-332 1551 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
