Bug#408930: Scid
Scid is continued by another upstream maintainer. So this package can stay in debian and shall be updated. gr, Willem -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#408930:
As I have pointed out before, the Scid produced by Pascale Georges (which he originally called scid-pg) is in breach of the GPL. That seems quite important to me, but obviously not you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#408930: Commnet on chessdb / scid / scid-pg
I see your comment at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=408930 and thought I would like to take the opportunity to explain the situation. 1) I started ChessDB before Pascal Georges started scid-pg, which he later renamed to scid. 2) A lot of code from chessdb was taken and put into scid-pg, but *not* acknowledged at all. I have posted a short list on a chess mailing list. Several others have looked at this, and have commented that it is correct. There are some tell-tale signs, like spelling errors that appeared in chessdb, which later appeared in scid-pg, which the author claimed was not taken from chessdb. I have posted a partial list at: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.games.chess.computer/browse_frm/thread/658a58d9a17b9aaf/dcb9e3c5e4e7266a?lnk=stq=scid+releasedrnum=1hl=en#dcb9e3c5e4e7266a 3) I changed the name of the executable from scid to chessdb, as I felt this was only fair to Shane Hudson. It was not because I wanted to steal his code, in fact quite the opposite. As several people have pointed out on the scid mailing list, changing the name was sensible. I point you to something written by someone on the scid mailing list: http://www.mail-archive.com/scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00029.html I believe Dr. Kirby has been nothing but gracious and respectful of Shane's work. Read this from the opening screen of ChessDB: ChessDB is based on Scid - http://scid.sourceforge.net/ but has new features, enhancements and bug-fixes. More than 90% of ChessDB's code comes from Scid. The main author of Scid was Shane Hudson. Shane is NOT responsible for any bugs in ChessDB Note the *last* line. *That* is the kindest gift we can give to Shane; acknowledge his work, but pin none of our faults on him. Similarly, changing the notices from scid to ChessDB is a courtesy not an insult. Cheers, Jeremy 4) Others have objected to the use of the name 'scid' whilst Pascal Georges changed the direction of the program, well away from the original authors direction. 5) I believe not only is taking of code from chessdb without acknowledgment is a breach of the GPL, but also the fact he has denied me the right to use any code based on his 'scid' - see: http://www.mail-archive.com/scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00045.html where he says As chessDB is a fork of Scid (2004), and until anybody else is better placed than me to continue Scid, I request things to be strictly separated : given Kirkby's attitude, I hope he'll be honest enough to continue his fork in a strict separated way than mine : I deny him the right to use my own code, as I'll never use his own code (Of course the fact he has taken code from chessdb, without acknowledgment, is a different matter). I don't deny he has made useful changes to scid, but he has done so in a way I that is against the GPL and against the spirit of free software. I leave others to make up their own minds. Dr. David Kirkby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#408930: Commnet on chessdb / scid / scid-pg
I am not interested in participating in the quarrel between you and Pascal Georges. Although, of course, it is great pity that two people able to continue work on scid are not able to cooperate. I will only allow myself two small remarks: 1) It is natural for OSS projects to change maintainer while preserving the name 2) It is natural for forked OSS projects to take others ideas or patches I think scid-pg is at the moment better option to be used for scid debian package, as a) it preserves the package name and b) it has more features. Chessdb can of course be packaged separately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#408930: scid: There is another, more useful fork
Package: scid Followup-For: Bug #408930 After further investigation, it seems that http://prolinux.free.fr/scid/ is more promising scid continuation. First, its author preserves the application name and original author credits, then, he added a few really useful features. Most important of those (IMO): a) UCI support (old scid needed polyglot) - you can now perform multivariation analysis in scid (and configure UCI params) b) Extended auto-annotation options c) Training functions (see the page above for detailed change log since scid 3.6.1). So my current suggestion is to use http://prolinux.free.fr/scid/ The page above contains also some remarks regarding chessdb.sf.net. While those are too emotional, one must admit they seem reasonable. Hmm, not sure whether it would be better to close this bug and open new one, or maybe just change title of this one, I am not able to do any of those... -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686 Locale: LANG=pl_PL, LC_CTYPE=pl_PL (charmap=ISO-8859-2) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#408930: scid: Upgrade to chessdb.sf.net
Package: scid Version: 3.6.1-2 Severity: wishlist Scid itself seems to be no longer maintained by original author. ChessDb (http://chessdb.sourceforge.net) looks like the continuation of its development (see http://chessdb.sourceforge.net/Scid/ for the list of changes made so far). So maybe it would make sense to replace scid with chessdb (probably new package, which would replace scid)? -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686 Locale: LANG=pl_PL, LC_CTYPE=pl_PL (charmap=ISO-8859-2) Versions of packages scid depends on: ii libc62.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libgcc1 1:4.1.1-19 GCC support library ii libstdc++6 4.1.1-19The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libx11-6 2:1.0.3-4 X11 client-side library ii python 2.4.4-2 An interactive high-level object-o ii tcl8.4 8.4.12-1.1 Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8 ii tk8.48.4.12-1Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.4 - ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3-13 compression library - runtime scid recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
